April 09, 2004
PARODY
As I watched
South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut the other night, a parody formed in my mind:
Men, when youÂ’re out there, in the battlefield, and youÂ’re looking into the beady eyes of an insurgent as he charges you with his bootleg DVD (or whatever he has), and people are dying all around you, just remember what the Left says: "Horrific, deplorable Iraqi civilian deaths are OK, as long as Saddam caused them and not the USA." That is what this war is all about!
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I haven't watched the South Park movie since it first came out (and I was one of perhaps ten people in an otherwise empty theatre - I guess Hawaii didn't grok it!). So I don't know what lines you're parodying.
I think that "Horrific, deplorable Iraqi civilian deaths are OK, as long as Saddam caused them and not the USA" is a bit much, because the Leftist view, as I understand it, is that Saddamocide is bad, but Americide is WORSE. How many Leftists have ever said that death-by-Saddam is "OK"? Few people want Iraqi civilian deaths. One issue among many in this war was how to prevent as many deaths as possible. Was armed force necessary, or could the staggering might of diplomats do the trick? You know my answer.
Posted by: Amritas at April 09, 2004 12:27 PM (GDBAr)
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HUSBAND'S PLATOON
Get 'er done, guys.
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They're ready, so don't be concerned. Luck, good and bad, are all they really have to deal with, and that they have no control over. As far as being good at what they do, they are an NFL team going up against a high school team.
Posted by: Mike at April 09, 2004 08:13 AM (cFRpq)
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SECONDHAND
No word from my husband, but I can assume he won't be calling for a while. His best friend emailed me to say that my husband signed for a lemon tank, so he was working as hard as he could to replace the broken track before they left. Best friend said he was sent to the email specifically by my husband to write me and tell me he loves me.
A secondhand love letter (riddled with soldier swear words) is better than nothing at all...
Best friend concluded with
But trust me...you have nothing to worry about...he's going to do a mission that you can be very proud of. It's a big one.
MORE TO GROK:
Spoke too soon; the husband just called. Ten minutes sure goes fast.
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I've been down lately. First Fallujah, now the Japanese hostage situation, then Kos and Kathryn Cramer at home ... all of that has darkened my days. But at least for a moment, I feel like the clouds are parting and some sunshine is coming through. Your husband is the light. May he shine in his mission.
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Strange that it gave me an instant smile to know you heard from Mr. Grok.
Praying for you both.
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April 08, 2004
OFFICIAL
Offical word came through this evening that my husband is in fact moving closer to the heat. I haven't heard from him personally, but he will be leaving sometime soon to move to an area "where he's needed". This move could be for anywhere from 2 weeks to 3 months; my only hope is that wherever he goes, he's safe. And that maybe he gets to contact me somehow. As I joked with my father-in-law tonight, our communication system sure can't get any worse! Maybe his moving will have some advantages.
Hell, I can hope so, right?
I can't say I'm not worried -- he's my best friend and my whole life -- but all I can do is remind myself that he's smart and prepared. That thought gives me the confidence and fortitude I need to accept his new mission.
And if there's something I've learned from life, it's that there's always someone who has it worse.
Time to listen to I Won't Back Down again...
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Girl, you are one brave person. I will spend a significant time today praying for you and your husband...may god protect him and keep him safe.
And may he bless and comfort you until you're together again.
Thank you for your courage and sacrifice. And, thank your good man, too.
Posted by: catzmeow at April 09, 2004 06:28 PM (j2vfb)
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My heart has been so heavy the past few days. Our soldiers and their families have been in my thoughts and prayers on a pretty much constant basis. I just wish I could do more!
I feel like this is so significant that we should all be making huge sacrifices to see it through. Sounds silly, but I'd feel better if we were feeling it on the home front more - rationing or something! Sometimes I feel guilty that my Arabic-speaking ex-reservist hubbie didn't re-up several years ago; his old unit is in Baghdad now.
Thanks again for your sacrifices and determination to stand strong. You all are in my prayers.
(Beth looked like spam, so I posted this for her.)
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SPIDER
When my friend from high school told me about spiders in Afghanistan as big as your head, I thought he was exaggerating.
Dang.
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Eeek! That's disgusting. It can't be real!
Posted by: annika at April 08, 2004 02:19 PM (zAOEU)
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I suspect that it IS real, but the perspective somehow makes it appear much larger...to my knowledge, those ugly mofos only grow to about (!) six inches or so...but the one in this picture looks more like two feet.
Posted by: david at April 08, 2004 02:35 PM (s7Ho8)
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Awww, look at the cute widdle spiders!
They wouldn't last ten minutes in Oz.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 09, 2004 08:35 AM (+S1Ft)
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Gives me shivers lookin at the thang!
Posted by: Toni at April 09, 2004 09:14 AM (SHqVu)
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That's two of 'em. Somehow that's not a comfort.
Posted by: Ted at April 09, 2004 10:56 AM (blNMI)
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Ew! Those guys don't like to eat people, do they?? /shudder
Posted by: Princess Jami at April 09, 2004 01:41 PM (0gPLe)
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It is real, its called a camel spider. They're huge and run really fast. That's a picture of 2 of them, btw.
Posted by: Jared at April 10, 2004 06:05 PM (Llzi/)
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Snopes.com did a thing about the picture, here:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/bugs/camelspider.asp#photo
Posted by: annika at April 15, 2004 02:33 AM (4p8Tr)
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Ew! that's nasty. I hope they some how won't end up here in the US.
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O dont worry they will probably crawl into someones sleeping bag then get shipped to the US then probably breed over here then they will latch on to you and bite ur neck and wont let go then you will fall to the ground, having a seizure from its poison it has in it....it will all be fine
Posted by: w00t! at May 03, 2004 11:24 AM (TFabU)
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Yeah them things are nasty, but they are real, cuz my brother whose in Afganistan told me all about them and showed me a pic.
Posted by: Erica at June 08, 2004 08:59 PM (C3uUa)
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Posted by: scott at July 22, 2004 11:01 PM (kWPnb)
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Ooohhh My goodness that is the scariest thing I've ever seen!! Wow
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LASER BEAM
I have a nervous stomach today, but it helps me keep things in perspective and keep my
laser beam focused to read warbloggers.
It helps to hear Bill Whittle say this:
Then be silent and introspective, for today our men and women are dying for the one idea worth dying for. And take from their sacrifice not defeat and sadness, but a solemn and sacred appreciation that three or four nations throughout an entire world that quivers in fear of these savages has the guts and the courage and the will to finish this job and bring freedom and security to a people that may not yet have earned it.
It helps to hear Zeyad say this:
No one knows where it is all heading. If this uprising is not crushed immediately and those militia not captured then there is no hope at all. If you even consider negotiations or appeasement, then we are all doomed.
It helps me to hear from my husband's best friend that he's jealous of those who get to take it to the enemy. His enthusiasm and confidence is catching.
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FRIEND
They're talking about shuffling troops around in Iraq, moving people where they're needed during this volatile week. My husband is located in a relatively safe section of Iraq; his main concern so far has been how to get supplies to the neighboring Iraqis. I have a feeling he won't be in that area for long when he's needed elsewhere.
After reading the news yesterday night, I awoke this morning to a feeling of anxiety. No phone call in the middle of the night. No email. Nothing telling me what's going on in my husband's company. I couldn't even read blogs; after half an hour I just shut it down and went back to bed. And when I felt like I couldn't stand it anymore, I knew what I wanted to do.
I wanted to call a friend.
My definition of friend has changed tremendously since last year. I've really reflected on who I want to share my life with, and I've narrowed the list of people I'd approach in a crisis. Here on post, there's a feeling of walking on tiptoes, not wanting to stress anyone out more than they are already. No one wants to hear my problems, because they are all looking for ways to deal with their own. And as much as I trust my favorite friend here on post, her husband is on rear detachment, so it's sometimes hard for her to relate.
So I called Tim.
He talked about the agony of being so near the finish line and seeing the goalpost move. I talked about the agony of uncertainty, of not knowing where my husband is or what he may be doing. We just talked, venting our frustrations for a few minutes, as friends do.
And I feel a whole lot better.
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Days like this one will come and go. You've got a pretty good support system, so don't feel bad about using them.
Posted by: Mike at April 08, 2004 07:50 AM (cFRpq)
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I bet Tim appreciated it too.
After reading his blog today it's good to know he has a friend like you to talk to.
Posted by: Machelle at April 08, 2004 09:18 AM (W/eGG)
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I know what you mean. I know my list of friends is very short when I can't think of who it is I'd want to be with me if anything ever happens to Nerdstar.
That so sucks about Tim's wife. I heard about the extended deployment late tonight. I haven't heard about the reshuffling yet.
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BEAT
Read
Blueshift and
Annika today.
That's all I can muster right now...
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April 07, 2004
FLAG
Kate is right: if our military is forced to take down American flags in Iraq during this horrible month of fighting, then we must fly them on our blogs in their honor. It's the least we can do...
Thanks, Jim.
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Birdie is bringing one home which flew over the Capitol in Austin, then flew over his post in Baghdad for about 15 minutes...before he was required to take it back down.
Don't want to present ourselves as occupiers, you know. It would be...well, uncivilized.
Posted by: Mike at April 07, 2004 01:29 PM (cFRpq)
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I've put up one myself, as a reminder to all of what America stands for. On behalf of all Australians, thank you, America.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 07, 2004 02:18 PM (+S1Ft)
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Thanks for showing your support. Now if we can only find the idiot who issued the order in the first place and make him/her apologize.
Posted by: Venomous Kate at April 07, 2004 06:08 PM (YvEJI)
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You guys are insiders, can you tell me why the US has shut down an anti-American newspaper in Baghdad if we're supposed to be there to build a democracy?
Posted by: florian at April 07, 2004 06:27 PM (BZ125)
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Because the newspaper in question had gone beyond voicing a dissenting opinion and was actively involved in orchestrating violence - the violence we are now seeing. For this it had its license suspended for two months.
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Pixy, could you give me a source on that? Since as far as I have found out, even Bremer did not accuse them of "orchestrating violence", a serious and organized activity, just of using hate speech and spreading rumors -- two things that don't shut down newspapers in a democracy.
Also, isn't this so counter-productive? It has made Iraqis angry, less trusting of the US, already caused a nasty protest demonstration, and will make the newspaper more popular when (if) it starts publishing again.
Posted by: florian at April 08, 2004 05:30 AM (hgLPQ)
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This is the sort of cowardly appeasement that results in my serious doubts about Bush's ability to win this war.
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NOT POOR
Jason Van Steenwyk eloquently fisks the "Market forces ensure that a volunteer army will necessarily be an army of the poor" article in the Progressive.
The plus side of the deployment is that my husband is making more money than we know what to do with. Our grocery bills have shrunk by $200 per month since he's gone, we saved $500 cutting him from insurance, and he's making much more than he did before he left, due to his promotion and deployment benefits. We may miss each other immensely, but we're sure not poor.
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Some good stuff. Birdie socked away a pile while in Afghanistan for 9 months. I don't know that he came out ahead on the Iraq tour, though. Too many toys!
Posted by: Mike at April 07, 2004 11:17 AM (3b89y)
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GOOD WORK
After reading
this, it really made me feel better to read
this.
Keep up the good work, Tim.
By the way, everyone, CPT Patti is scheduled to come home this weekend...
MORE:
Or perhaps she's not. Poor Tim.
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BEAT
Twelve Marines are dead, and
this is what I read:
[Coalition spokeswoman Paola] Della Casa said the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields, and a woman and two children were among the dead.
I've always tried to maintain my resolve throughout this war. When other wives say that they wish we could just nuke Iraq into a parking lot and bring our husbands home, I always tried to remember that what my husband is doing there is necessary for the future of the Middle East. I've maintained my optimism and idealism, even saying "Our soldiers are lucky to be part of something so monumental in history. When the puzzle is complete, all their work will make sense, and a beautiful new Iraq will emerge from the pieces."
But today I'm not so resolved. We're fighting to save a country from itself. As Victor Davis Hanson said Sunday, "Are the citizens of Fallujah the victims of Saddam, or did folk like this find their natural identity expressed in Saddam?" I'm starting to wonder about that myself.
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I know.
But...
I've seen Barefoot Gen, the tale of a boy growing up in Hiroshima in 1945.
It's hard. We have to fight, and we have to fight our way. Otherwise we will lose part of what we are. But every death hurts, the more so now that I know, even indirectly, some of the people serving in Iraq.
If I was religious, I would pray for them every day. But I'm not, so I will support them in every other way I can find.
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April 06, 2004
CATERPILLAR
My parents live in P-town, so
this is probably something they should be aware of. Maybe they could go stage a counter-demonstration. Dang, I wish I were home right now!
Activists will protest the use of Caterpillar bulldozers to destroy Palestinian homes, at the company's annual stockholders meeting April 14 in Chicago. An "International Day of Action Against Caterpillar" demonstration will be staged April 23 at corporate headquarters in Peoria.
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I'd attend if one was organized, but I live just a bit to far away to organize it myself.
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CALL
I finally got a call from the husband last night. At 1240, which is 0240 in Iraq. This is the only time he could find in his day to call me, which makes me feel a little crazy. Apparently, the commander has said that no one is allowed to go to the phones unless they all go together, which would mean a group of 18 driving over to use four phones. None of them have five hours to kill waiting in line with each other, so they never get to go. The husband could technically go since he's the LT, but he doesn't go if his soldiers aren't allowed, which is the reason why 15 days passed between his phone calls. I'm really disappointed that they have this rule there, not for myself but for him; he sounded really beat down. When I asked him how he was doing, he said, "I'd be doing better if I could talk to you more often." I think soldiers need contact with their families as a way to unwind and vent, and I'm disappointed that his company is being denied phone use. But they are moving to another camp in the next two weeks, so when the phones are right there instead of three kilometers away, perhaps the rules will change a little. I hope so; that was the worst I've heard him so far.
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Dear Congressman,
Morale of my Iraq-deployed husband's company is being negatively impacted in a most unusual way. A policy has been announced that requires either all members of the company to stand in line together to wait for telephone access or none of them are allowed telephone access.
Two questions:
Is this policy being considered for Iraq-wide implementation? What is the expected affect of denying familial communications on re-enlistments?
Thank you.
[fantasymode=off]
Yeah, I know. Rocking boats.
Posted by: homebru at April 06, 2004 12:57 PM (RfCMb)
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I meant to ping you yesterday to say that I posted on this on my own blog (no trackback in the land of Blogspot). Here is the link to my post (text follows): http://serenade.splinder.it/1081244532#1783541
"This post of Sarah's really touched me. She had to wait 15 days between calls from her husband, who is deployed in Iraq. I spend a fair amount of time away from my girlfriend, as I live in London and she is at university in Milan - but we exchange SMS messages, instant messages and telephone calls several times a day. Maybe it's just a ping, a 30-second conversation just to say hi and hear the other's voice, maybe it's a long conversation that has to take the place of curling up together on the couch (yes, my phone bill is horrific - why do you ask?), but I don't miss her nearly as much because she is almost within reach. Having to go for 15 days without talking to her would have me tearing my hair out.
I am in awe of Sarah and her husband. I wish him well, a man I will probably never meet, but to whom I owe a lot, and I hope that he knows that at least some of us behind the lines are very grateul for what he is doing."
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April 05, 2004
DINNER
I didn't check my email until it was too late, so I didn't get to participate in the
Right-Of-Center Bloggers Select Their Favorite Contemporary Dinner Guests over at RWN. The list sounds pretty good to me -- I wouldn't mind eating dinner with most of these people -- though my list would have leaned more towards bloggers. I can safely say I'd feel more honored to meet Victor Davis Hanson than Condoleezza Rice, more excited to eat dinner with James Lileks than Mel Gibson, and more nervous to meet Steven Den Beste than just about anyone in the world.
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I think Condi would be an interesting dinner companion, but Mel Gibson?
And no Munuvians on that list of blogs? Piffle!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 05, 2004 11:31 PM (+S1Ft)
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EXAMPLES
David from
Photon Courier asked for more details about the
textbook items I discussed this weekend.
These examples came from an exercise on sentence generating in Chapter 3 The Sentence: Combining, Generating, Judging, which had nothing to do with persuasion, argumentation, or anything other than grammar. In fact, on the first page of the chapter where it introduces independent and dependent clauses, the sole example given is:
The level of poverty and squalor in large cities is appalling when one considers our country's wealth.
Can you pick out the dependent clause? Ha. The directions for the sentence generating exercise were to add a clause or phrase to each sentence provided (to practice working with dependent clauses and description). Thus these three sentences:
a. One of the odd things foreigners notice about Americans is their intolerance.
b. This intolerance frequently extends to race, creeds, and role expectations.
c. It often baffles foreigners, many of whom regard the United States Constitution as enshrining just the opposite principles of tolerance and understanding.
were fleshed out into this example given at the end of the chapter:
One of the odd things foreigners notice about Americans--whether Republicans or Democrats, urban dwellers or country folks--is their intolerance. This intolerance frequently extends to race, creeds, and role expectations, carrying with it a willingness to shun and physically punish the ones perceived as different. It often baffles foreigners, many of whom regard the United States Constitution, with its emphasis on respect for individual freedoms, as enshrining just the opposite principles of tolerance and understanding.
And the other sentences didn't lean Right by any stretch. My quick version of their topics:
1. A new real admiral takes over a fleet and waits for the enemy.
2. Baby boomers worry about infation and interest rates.
3. We must worry about nuclear holocaust.
4. Americans are intolerant.
5. Tennis is a sport for the millions.
6. We all struggle over physical traits that make us feel different.
7. The government should provide jobs for everyone.
8. Imagination is more important than knowledge.
9. Geoffrey was far from his goal of climbing the hill.
10.My anthropology teacher loved teaching.
The other seven are blandly non-controversial. Why the examples about intolerance and socialism?
How about another example from the chapter?
The pure individualist is an unhappy person whose memories of selfish behavior haunt her.
Compare that to the non-controversial example that follows it:
Newton's analysis of the light in a rainbow was a brilliant achievement that few people have matched.
There was one example of sentence combining that was not really biased either way:
a. The trouble between the Israelis and Palestinians is a clash between two cultures.
b. These cultures are fighting for supremacy in the Middle East.
(That one could have been a lot worse! Or a lot better...)
The only Right-leaning sentence example I could find was way down in Chapter 14 Causal Analysis:
Admissions quotas based on sex, ethnic background, or age are bad because they discriminate against the capable student.
No Right-leaning sentences in Chapter 3, though one of Joanne Jacob's readers says that we can find the same number of Right-leaning examples as we can Left-leaning, so this doesn't mean anything. On the contrary, I think there are more Left-leaning examples in Chapter 3 than I'd consider balanced.
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Un-freaking-believable. Thank goodness I remember practically nothing from high-school!
Posted by: david at April 05, 2004 12:19 PM (EjwYl)
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Here is the equivalent of your perceptions, from the other extreme:
1. A new real admiral takes over a fleet and waits for the enemy.
Pro-militaristic, pro-war, Right Wing Bias.
2. Baby boomers worry about inflation and interest rates.
Capitalistic, Imperialist, Right Wing Bias.
3. We must worry about nuclear holocaust.
Sounds like Condi Rice. Fear the Nukes, So Increase Defense Spending: Right Wing Militaristic Bias
4. Americans are intolerant.
And Proud of it? Good Old Boy Conservative Bias.
5. Tennis is a sport for the millions.
We all know tennis is mainly played by the wealthy. Upper Class Imperialistic Capitalist Bias.
6. We all struggle over physical traits that make us feel different.
Eugenics, Perfect Aryan Body Types: Right Wing Nazi Bias.
7. The government should provide jobs for everyone.
Full Employment, MussoliniÂ’s promise to Italy: Fascist Bias.
8. Imagination is more important than knowledge.
? ? ?
9. Geoffrey was far from his goal of climbing the hill.
British Spelling of Geoffrey: Anglophilic Conservative Bias.
10.My anthropology teacher loved teaching.
OK, this is clear cut leftist bias. Anthropology=Darwin=antiBible, antiChristian Godless Communism!
There, 8 out of 10 showing clear cut right wing leanings. Now isnÂ’t that a little bit ridiculous? As ridiculous as the other extreme?
Posted by: florian at April 06, 2004 10:44 AM (hgLPQ)
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GROWTH
I'm growing as a person.
When another dissenting reader first used to come around here and leave comments, it used to make me so mad. I would absolutely fume at home, complaining to my husband that I wished this guy would leave me alone and that I really thought he was wrong, but didn't know how to counter him. I would lie in bed thinking about it, wondering what I could say, and I would be overcome with anger and worry.
I resolved on New Year's to learn to be bemused. So far I think I've been doing a great job of reaching my goal; at least now I don't let things affect me so much to where I can't sleep at night.
Look, the title of my blog is trying to grok. Trying. I would never be one to say that I've got the world all figured out, or that my way of thinking is the only one. I'm open for suggestion. But there's a difference between suggestion and beating someone over the head until they give in. There's a difference between Joshua coming here to have a healthy debate about Israel/Palestine and someone coming here to insult me on three different comment threads.
And, I'm sorry, but the idea that my disgust with vandals who care more about putting Bush down than respecting a historic monument would dishonor my husband makes me laugh instead of fret. Laugh. I'm at the point where I can laugh at this stuff, which means I've done a whole lot of personal growing since I started this blog.
Deal with this: I'm bemused.
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The best way to deal with people like that? Facts, logic, and where possible, sarcasm.
As an example, the poster that responded to your vandalism post brought up the klan and linked it to conservatives. A quick check of facts shows that of the 2 parties, liberal have the only known former klansman in their senate ranks. Which logically shows the liberals are far more likely to support klansmen.
Posted by: LastStand at April 05, 2004 11:54 AM (u3SC/)
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"Far more likely"? The presence of one does not condemn the whole. That's like saying that a single Republican like, say, Trent Lott "proves" conservatives are "far more" (fill-in-the-blank). Besides, Democrats do not support Byrd *as a Klansman*. Byrd is not even a Klansman anymore. Democrats can explain their support for him by saying that he's reformed and then pick out Republicans with shady pasts.
I think it would be more accurate to say that the KKK today is so distant from either party that dragging it into discussions like these is irrelevant.
It'd be best to stick to what Sarah actually said (and DIDN'T say) when defending it from an onslaught of straw men.
Posted by: Amritas at April 05, 2004 01:09 PM (AC3YM)
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Of course we should be completely outraged at the vandals... that was a despicable act.
I was outraged at how you used that dispicable act to paint a broad brush over anyone who leans left.
You started out the "Vandal" post by claiming that many on the left are insincere on their support of the troops... and because of this, "you were not surprised" that vandals desecrated a memorial to veterans...
Quote: "I've come to expect this from the left."
My outrage is over:
(1) the despicable act of the vandals
(2) pseudo-patriotic right wingers who use said despicable acts to incriminate anyone on the left who disagrees... which is what you did.
Posted by: jab at April 05, 2004 01:53 PM (pMjZc)
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I looked back over my comments in the three threads... two were respectful dissent...
only in the "Vandal" post did I insult you.
Was I wrong: yes... did I let my emotions get the best of me: yes...
So, I apologize. I should not have said you dishonored the service of your husband. That was over-the-top.
Posted by: jab at April 05, 2004 01:58 PM (pMjZc)
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Jab, I'm not sure how long you've been reading this blog, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now. But Sarah isn't using one despicable act to "paint a broad brush over anyone who leans left." As she says in the first line of her post ("I've said before..."), Sarah is pointing out one in a string of acts/incidents that leads her to believe that many on the Left use the platitude of "supporting our troops" to cover themselves when making outrageous statements. She is not seizing on a singular incident in order to give lefties a bad name, she is noting a trend among those on the left who use the "Support Our Troops claim."
But you might not notice that if you haven't been here for long, or if you haven't taken the time to do a little research into the blogger you're criticizing--research that would show you that Sarah is a thoughtful person who doesn't make such statements lightly or without backing up what she has to say.
Posted by: Carla at April 05, 2004 02:06 PM (r5M6F)
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Carla,
You seem to be doing the same thing.
This is the gist of the "Vandal" thread
as well as your reply:
CLAIM: The Left is insincere in their
proclamations of "Support the Troops."
It is a cover for outrageous statements/behaviors.
PROOF: Vandals desecrated a war memorial.
I don't see how one could read this any other way. Sarah herself linked the people who say "Support our troops" with the "vandals"...
I was insulted... those vandals are despicable,
I myself have family in the military... but those vandals are no where near representative of those of us on the left who oppose Bush's policy towards Iraq. I resent even being lumped together in the same post with them.
It would be equivalent to me writing a post where I start off making some generalities of the right's opposition to abortion... saying that i thought they are insincere in their proclamations that really do care about women facing an unwanted pregnancy... then I segue into
an incident where some extremist wacko guns down an abortion doctor... I then say, that "I'm not surprised" and that "I've come to expect it from the Right."
Of course, those who have sincere heart-felt beliefs about the wrongness of abortion and the sanctity of life should be insulted and outraged that I made the casual link between an extremist wacko and people with honest disagreements over policy.
THAT is how I read her post. In my opinion, Sarah could have expressed her disgust, shock and outrage over the vandal incident without making the casual link to those on the left who say "support our troops"...
Posted by: jab at April 05, 2004 02:27 PM (pMjZc)
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Jab, you need to get out more.
There is a huge and very vocal part of the Left that acts exactly the way Sarah said.
If you don't act that way, and don't agree with them, that's good. You're part of the Sane Left. But the Moonbat Left is, if not larger, at least a lot more visible than the Sane Left.
It happens. It's not a rare and appalling incident as your example would be; it's a constant stream of events. From the Left. That we have come to expect
because it keeps happening.
So target your resentment at the moonbats who are destroying the entire left wing of politics all over the world, not at Sarah.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 05, 2004 11:27 PM (+S1Ft)
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Pixy,
Sorry, but no.
The vast, vast majority of us on the liberal end of the spectrum do not condone such dispicable acts. Last time I checked, Bush and Kerry are virtually tied... there may be at most a few percent who are extremists... they are grossly outnumbered, but because they are so outrageous, they make the news... and it certainly doesn't help with the right-wing echo chamber of Rush, Hannity, Savage, and the rest of that ilk, trumpeting every horrible act in an effort to specifically demonize the left... don't get me wrong, said despicable acts should be denouncec by all sides... but I'm getting pretty d*mn sick of how the right are using these events to tar the entire left and stifle dissent.
So, no... I will not back down on this...
I encourage more people to denounce such despicable acts, but I will vehemently, vigorously, unceasingly also denounce any attempt to paint the entire left by the actions of very tiny, but very vocal minority.
Posted by: jab at April 06, 2004 04:02 AM (pMjZc)
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d*mn sick of how the right are using these events to tar the entire left and stifle dissent
Sorry, what planet did you say you were from?
Who exactly is stifling dissent? Try leaving a dissenting comment on a right-leaning bulletin board and on a left-leaning one. See how long they stay there.
The left actively censors dissenting voices. The right argues with them. Big difference, jab.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 06, 2004 06:40 AM (+S1Ft)
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"to tar the entire left"
"resent even being lumped together"
"paint a broad brush over anyone"
I see Jab has still refused to read what Sarah wrote. Those 3 quotes are the only ones in all these threads lumping everyone on the left together in the same box.
Sarah did not say at anytime ALL on the left, she said "many on the Left". Another quote, "A lot of people", now to me, that is not ALL people, that is a lot of people, meaning more than one, less than all.
Jab is trolling with strawmen. No where does he acknowledge that Sarah has never catagorized everyone on the left as being identical. Instead he gets his panties in a wad, rather than realizing that if he does not engage in the behavior that Sarah is denouncing, he is not one of the people she is talking about.
The only reason he would have to take offense is if he engaged in the type of behavior described.
Troll.
Posted by: Blueshift at April 07, 2004 04:55 AM (crTpS)
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Blueshift,
"The only reason he would have to take offense is if he engaged in the type of behavior described."
I think that's going too far - and yet not far enough. Why? Because those who took offense need not be "engaged in the type of behavior described." Perhaps they *admire* those who are engaged, or wish they could *be* them.
Leftists who vandalize are a tiny minority in this country. Those who take offense at criticism of the vandals outnumber the vandals. Only a few "dare" to "dissent"; many more sympathize with them.
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I've
said before that I think many on the Left use the empty Support Our Troops claim to soften the blow when they rally against President Bush. (Others just
say what they really mean.) Most of the time I doubt their sincerity, because you can't fully support the troops without understanding them. So I wasn't that surprised when I found
this today on LGF:
Sometime overnight, someone used yellow spray paint to write “Kill Bush” on a section of the memorial where names of local veterans are displayed on a sloping wall. The same slogan, along with others, was repeated on the back of the memorial.
A lot of people will do whatever it takes to get their point across, even if it comes to vandalizing something as significant as a veteran's memorial. As long as word gets out that Bush is evil. I've come to expect this from the Left, and it really makes me sad.
Comments of some others who stopped by the memorial Saturday morning are unfit for publishing in a family newspaper.
I wish I could have met and talked to those people.
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Wow,
You really are over the top.
How dare you lump all liberals together with as*h*les who would vandalize memorials.
How DARE you?
You know what, I could point to instances of cross burnings on the lawns of African-Americans and make some idiotic claim about how this represents typical conservative sentiment.
But that would be utterly stupid, and insulting, and immoral.
But I see the right has no qualms.
Deal with this: NOT everyone agrees with Bush or his policies. It does NOT make us traitors. It does NOT make us unpatriotic to express our dissent.
OF COURSE, there are extremist wackos on the left AND on the right. It would be STUPID of me to generalize everyone on the right... and characterize the ENTIRE right by the extremism of a relatively few... but clearly, you have no such problem doing the same thing.
Deal with this: The fact that you clearly have so much contempt for those who disagree and who dare to dissent does far more to dishonor your husband's service than anything the far left could do.
Posted by: jab at April 05, 2004 03:40 AM (pMjZc)
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Ease up there Jab, or are you trolling?
Since all I have to do is quote her post to show how you are WAY overreacting, I'll do so.
"many on the Left"
"A lot of people"
Nowhere does she says, ALL, or even The Majority, hell, she doesn't even say Liberal.
Vandalizing Veterans Memorials is a bit worse than 'disagree and who dare to dissent '. It is outright inflammatory and destructive.
Disagree and dissent all you wish, but don't look for sympathy when you defend what she is actually talking about, rather than what you wish her to be talking about.
Man, I shouldn't feed the trolls.
Posted by: Blueshift at April 05, 2004 05:39 AM (crTpS)
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Shouldn't feed them, but it's hard not to.
John Ray has reached the point that he now has an additional blog dedicated just to greenies. His Dissecting Leftism got too crowded!
Posted by: Mike at April 05, 2004 07:53 AM (cFRpq)
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I have a box of Troll-Be-Gone here left over from the infestation at Jennifer's. Turns out that the pellets work just fine on both left and right-wing trolls. Just sprinkle a little around the post and sweep up the dead trolls in the morning.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 05, 2004 08:34 AM (+S1Ft)
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"...you can't fully support the troops without understanding them."
I absolutely disagree with this statement. There are a lot of people who have no idea what the troops go through yet support what they do.
Posted by: Ted at April 05, 2004 11:15 AM (blNMI)
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Ted, I meant understanding who they are and what they do. Understanding that they're not all mindless robots following Rumsfeld's orders. Understanding that most of them love and cherish our country and feel that their duty station is wherever they must go to fight for our freedom. Not understanding how bad it sucks to wear body armor and kick down doors, but understanding that they're not Bush's minions...
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