April 15, 2004
TUITION
I saw an AP article with the intriguing title
Iraq War Proves Thorny Issue for Kerry. What struck me was this unrelated paragraph towards the end:
During his day on campus, Kerry promoted his plan to give a free college education to students who agree to public service. He said he would pay for it using $13 million that banks earn for issuing government-backed student loans.
Huh? So I decided to check it out. First I found a little more info in the original article from Iowa:
Kerry proposed the "Service for College" initiative to help make college affordable and strengthen America's security. According to this initiative, for two years of service to the United States, every young person can earn the equivalent of the state's four-year public college tuition. Students could also get two years of college tuition in exchange for one year of service.
"It is great because it offers tuition to students and at the same time helps out the whole country by getting students involved in service like AmeriCorps, Peace Corps or the military," Schoenthal-Muse said.
We already have that for the military: it's called ROTC. Still not satisfied that I understood exactly what Kerry is proposing, I went right to the link at his website.
Now, I was a little disgusted when I read the opening paragraph
On September 11th, 2001, America experienced the most terrible and deadly attack in its history. Yet, President Bush's response was to call on Americans to wait in long lines at airports, go shopping, or wrap their windows in plastic.
which has nothing at all to do with education, but somehow Kerry ties it in to making our nation stronger by calling on young people to get into public service. I don't know what that has to do with 9/11 or the jab at Bush, but whatever.
So I finally got to the pdf file of his proposal, and I see that he's offering
a simple deal to hundreds of thousands of America's young people: If you will serve for two years in one of America's toughest and most important jobs, we will pay for four years of tuition at the typical public university. Young people will also be able to use their educational awards to pay off student loans if they have already finished college or to enter job training, start a small business, or buy a first home.
Forget for a moment the big question of where the money will come from to implement this plan and focus on some fine print. My big question is whether you get a salary while you're doing your two years of service. Are those two years done for no money and then you just get tuition at the end, or do you make some sort of salary for the service in addition to the college tuition? That's a big difference, and it's not addresed.
If you're working and making a salary for two years, plus you get free college, then that's a lot of money that has to materialize out of nowhere. I'm nowhere near competent in economics or business (wish the husband were here), but this sounds fishy to me.
Does anyone else understand how this could work?
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It works by everyone forgetting he ever said it. Of course, only Congress can make it happen.
AmeriCorps now does things groups like the Boy Scouts are no longer allowed to do.I know one young woman who cleared trails in Arkansas for a year. They were paid virtually nothing, but had "the experience of helping others." It is, however, the only true public service.
Politicians like to claim they've spent their lives in public service, but I hardly consider a good-paying job with lots of perks a "service."
Posted by: Mike at April 15, 2004 01:29 PM (cFRpq)
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You're right to be concerned, as the details are important. Arguments for alternative public service have been around since the fights over the draft in the late 60's.
Every time we propose to increase incentives for non-military "alternative" public service, careful consideration needs to be given as to whether such incentives will be detrimental to the ones for enlistment in the military.
No matter how you slice it, domestic public service is not the same and a "one-size fits all" strategy won't work IMO.
A "one-size fits all" approach is generally true for military enlistment incentives (with some exceptions). But what complainers often fail to understand is that even a soldier in some specialized non-combat MOS is still as deployable to a combat zone (Iraq) as any combat soldier.
Not so for "Americorps" volunteers, who I gather often design their own public service projects (to include such dangerous duty as passing out condoms in high schools and teaching about STD's).
Posted by: Paul H. at April 15, 2004 03:57 PM (s6c4t)
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Here's your answer.
He said he would pay for it using $13 million that banks earn for issuing government-backed student loans
He's gonna rob a few banks.
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Posted by: Larry at April 15, 2004 05:54 PM (6TcYT)
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Americorps volunteers do a lot of the social service stuff that would otherwise not be done at all. I'm of two minds about Americorps and CityYear (a similar program that, for a time, was affiliated with it). My eldest daughter was a volunteer, and she thinks of it as one of the best things she has done. It does give inner-city youth a chance to be of service, and also to be influenced in a positive direction. There is putatively a structure for discipline, but it can be sporadically implemented.
My daughter was older than some of the volunteers, and a college graduate. Her service (2 years) gave her an opportunity to work through some issues, and decide on a career direction. It also gave her some practical experience with being in charge of a group. She will be taking her first vows this summer in a Franciscan order.
These programs need to be supported by the business and charitable community, not just supported by the government. I don't think they can realistically be expanded to the general population, though. There's a big difference in the quality of volunteer you get when you spread the net too far.
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April 14, 2004
HEROES
Found an Andy Rooney editorial
via Bunker, and the headline makes my blood boil.
Our soldiers in Iraq aren't heroes:
We must support our soldiers in Iraq because it's our fault they're risking their lives there. However, we should not bestow the mantle of heroism on all of them for simply being where we sent them. Most are victims, not heroes.
As a veteran, he should be ashamed of himself for belittling our servicemembers like that. They're not perfect, but they're all risking their lives so we don't have to. Shame on you, Rooney.
MORE TO GROK:
Tim organizes our servicemembers into a fisking. He also invites Rooney to visit the America he lives in.
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I'm not positive, but I don't think Andy is a vet. He was correspondent during WW 2 (and came out of it with a pathological hatred of George Patton that took my breath away when I heard him speak of it on a documentary).
Posted by: LCB at April 14, 2004 05:16 PM (punKs)
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Andy Rooney is old and out of touch with reality. Why don't you and Tim (capt. patti) send him a note and a copy of your comments. he even reads them sometimes. Send another one to CBS. It's time they retire that old fart.
Posted by: pwmsfamily at April 14, 2004 05:44 PM (w2Sjt)
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My oldest boy, a Marine, left this comment in one of my posts about baby killers:
One time I was asked how I could be a baby killer. I said it wasn't that hard, since they can't really defend themselves...
I'm not sure old Andy could keep up mentally with the guys today, as he approaches senility.
Posted by: Mike at April 14, 2004 07:18 PM (sr4Be)
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APPROACHES senility? I'd say he passed the threshold a while ago.
Posted by: CavalierX at April 15, 2004 12:55 PM (KEdMI)
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HASTINGS
Historical revisionism,
Esotericus-style. Ha.
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What should have happened around this time last year:
Bush (to Iraqi military/militia)
"All your base are belong to us!"
Bush (to S.H.)
"You are on the way to destruction. You have no chance to survive make your time."
Posted by: James Sloan at April 14, 2004 07:51 PM (S2iYc)
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MISSION
These are my boys.
This is their mission.
US Troops Set for Showdown with Cleric
Get 'er done, boys.
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I pray that all the troops shown in this photo come home alive and sane.
From the article you have linked to: "Some 880 Iraqis have been killed this month. Among those are more than 600 Iraqis — mostly civilians — killed in Fallujah, according to the city hospital's director." Women, children slaughtered.
Posted by: florian at April 14, 2004 08:10 AM (v5x9Y)
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I've discussed before here the distinction we make between civilians and troops and how I don't buy into that dichotomy. (For the reasons, see
Den Beste's article.) My husband, because he is a man and a soldier, is no less "valuable" than an Iraqi woman or child. I don't agree with the idea that women should somehow be more cherished than men, so that argument does not hold any weight for me.
And to say that people have been "slaughtered" in these past two weeks is a gross misuse of the word. People were slaughtered, literally, under Saddam Hussein's rule. Our Marines are specifically targeting insurgents who are using civilians as shields; some will unfortunately get in the crossfire. It's sad, but I know our military is doing everything possible to minimize Iraqi deaths; in contrast, the insurgents are trying to maximize American deaths. To say that our Marines are "slaughtering" Iraqi women and children is irresponsible and libelous, Florian, and I don't appreciate you coming to my blog (which I pay for) and posting such disgusting lies.
Posted by: Sarah at April 14, 2004 08:51 AM (VwKvQ)
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"Women, children slaughtered."
And I suppose you haven't seen the photos of all the women in the "Mahdi's Army." Either that, or you offer your own little cute interpretation of them. Hardly looks like they want to be considered innocent to me. Also, are you therefore calling people such as her husband "slaughterers"? Psht. If anything, these women and children should be angry at
their people who brought this "slaughter" upon them.
As for sanity, I think you'd should also be praying that a little bit of it will appear in Fallujah.
Posted by: Jeremiah at April 14, 2004 09:47 AM (HqTsG)
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You can hide behind the idea that the hundreds of civilian women and children were killed in crossfire incidents. Here is what British troops in Iraq said about US tactics after a friendly fire incident wounded one of them: "There was a boy of about 12 years old. He was no more than 20 metres away when the Yank opened up. He had absolutely no regard for human life." I am not saying that all US soldiers have no regard for human life, but to pretend that tons of civilians are not getting killed when large scale weapons are used is just a fantasy. And your ideas of soldiers not being responsible for civilians flies in the face of the Geneva Convention and all modern standards of human rights in wartime -- but then this whole war does.
Strange that you feel free to cite and slam tons of writers, but when you get it back you call it lies and libel. Obviously you are projecting your feelings of being lied to by Bush, who lied about WMD to get the country to go to this war in the first place. But go ahead and blame me, or liberals or whatever.
So you would like for me to stop visiting your blog -- I guess the truth hurts. In terms of no longer pointing out the major fallacies and immorality of your way of thinking, yes, I will go away if you want.
And I really hope your loved ones, and all the troops, come home from Iraq safe and sound. And SOON.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,926237,00.html
Another isolated incident, I am sure: http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4680733-103550,00.html
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April 13, 2004
VIEW
Andrew Sullivan got an email from the
sister of a career NCO. His view of the war is decidedly pessimistic, as is his view of the future of the Army.
My recurring disclaimer: I am not in the Army. That said, I think that one paragraph in this email is based on her brother's guesses; as a warblogger, I have a differerent view based on things I've read.
His most pessimistic views were reserved for the future of the US military, especially the Army and the reserve forces. The Army's longterm morale appears to be at severe risk due to its being so overstretched. Re-enlistments by the very backbone of the Army (senior NCO's and Officers) are going to start dropping like a rock unless the situation changes in the estimation of my brother. This is doubly the case with the Reservists, upon whom the military has become so dependent. In addition, our military personnel are terribly underpaid given the missions that they are called upon to fulfill during this wartime era. Many military families live at near subsistence level incomes, are required to make huge sacrifices in terms of risk to loved ones and constantly having to move, and struggle to make ends meet.
I agree that morale is probably not as high as it was during the late 90's, when no one in the Army had to do much except train, but I know of a lot of soldiers who are proud and eager to be deployed. I know of one on rear detachment who is positively livid that they've left him here. Some soldiers really do want to soldier; that's why they took the job in the first place.
As for re-enlistment, so far it has been steady. Our gut reaction is that no one would willingly sign up to do such a nasty job, but the military is right on track for the enlistment goal at this time of year.
And, yes, all soldiers are "terribly underpaid" when you consider that they're on call 24 hours a day for a year. But, as I linked to the other day, military pay is something that is more nuanced than it appears.
Even in their first year of service, E-4s pull in more than $18,600 per annum, and more than $19,600 in their second year of service, and that's in base pay. Throw in BAH Type II for a married soldier (assuming 0 differentials. He earns more money if he has children) and he's really making $25,887 per year in his second year of service.
The military pay scale is all laid out for you here.
Except that while he's deployed, he's also getting hostile fire pay ($3,000 per year), family separation pay ($3,000 per year) and an allowance for per diem expenses of 3.50 per day, or 1,277.50 per year. So now we're up to $33,164.50.
But money earned in a combat zone is exempt from federal income tax. So assuming the soldier's in the 15% tax bracket, that income yields an after-tax equivalent of $38,139.18 per year.
And we haven't even figured in the value of free food for the soldier while he's deployed, or free medical care for the soldier's dependents.
So Ehrenreich's $16,000 per year figure--while not far off the mark if the soldier's a screw-up and doesn't get promoted and you only count base pay--is wildly inaccurate when it's vetted by someone who actually knows what he's doing.
And the LT? The first year 2nd Lieutenant while deployed in Iraq, makes an after-tax equivalent of $61,462.67 (somewhat less than that, actually, because he's in a marginal 15% bracket, not an effective one. But you get the idea.)
Where ELSE can you be 19-24 years old and pull in that kind of salary?
Yes, we military families make sacrifices. No, we don't want anyone to have to be deployed for a year. But a soldier's job is to soldier, and a military family's job is to be supportive of the mission. Many of us understand what that means and the sacrifices it takes -- we know about deployments and the pay scale when we sign up -- but the rewards of supporting and defending our country outweigh the grievances.
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Civilians, including our Congress, just don't understand that people don't join the military for the money. There is a sense of being a part of something greater than yourself that is far more important in that decision.
Of course, money doesn't hurt!
Posted by: Mike at April 13, 2004 12:43 PM (cFRpq)
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Great pay, right. Now how much is that for a 24 hours on-call, 7 day a week job; per hour?
Then let me shoot at you and you can wear all that protective equipment in 100 degree weather.
So I don't think war zone pay is that great.
Posted by: Marc at April 13, 2004 01:16 PM (oPIM+)
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I served 9 years enlisted--starting at E-1--and am now in my 8th year as an officer. Never once have I complained about being underpaid. Military members are compensated adequately. (The horror stories of soldiers on food stamps are extremely rare, and nearly always involve a very young, very junior enlisted with several mouths to feed.)
We don't do it for the money, but we are fortunate to be able to serve a nation worth defending, "earn a living" doing it, and attain, in most cases, modest financial stability, and often success.
Posted by: david at April 14, 2004 01:07 AM (s7Ho8)
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CARTOON
This is so true.
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If you are really "trying to grok" maybe you should read information from both extremes as well as the middle of public opinion. You usually do a good job, but I think you "bias gets in your eyes" Keep on grokin' though. Thanks
Posted by: Tad Hoskins at April 13, 2004 01:11 PM (nFEi4)
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Oops, forgot the link. : )
http://thomasmc.com/0116jb.htm
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LETTER
A powerful
letter written upon the liberation of the Mauthausen concentration camp. Even today many people still recognize Americans as a sign of good. I know they do.
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April 12, 2004
GROKKER
I met an
American tonight.
I saw trouble coming a mile away during my German class while we were going over discussion questions for the genitive case. Question #8 was Wer ist der populärste Politiker Ihres Landes? (Who is your country's most popular politician?) Of course the Conflicted Reservist was first to insist that it is Kerry, bringing up the "fact" that Kerry is a Vietnam hero and Bush was AWOL. And then an amazing thing happened.
There's a woman in our class from Italy. I believe she's married to a soldier, so I'm sure she's legally an American, but she proved herself a grokker tonight. She put the Reservist in his place faster than I could bat an eye. She turned to him and rattled off facts about Kerry's Vietnam record -- his Purple Hearts, his relationship with Fonda, his throwing away "his" medals -- that brought a look of utter confusion to the Reservist's face. It was immediately apparent that for all his grandstanding and prattling on and on about Kerry, he actually knows nothing of Kerry's background. Another soldier listened to my classmate's rant in disbelief; "no way" was the expression used.
I learned two things from that exchange tonight: I'm not as alone as I sometimes feel, and most people don't know the first thing about current events.
And that Italian woman is now my favorite classmate. As she turned back to her German worksheets in disgust, she said, "You need to do some research before you start talking."
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Sounds like she'd be a good addition to our Friday night meetings!
Posted by: Oda Mae at April 12, 2004 06:04 PM (B5XDK)
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I would have paid good money to see the look on his face after she was finished with him
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I'd bet that after class - quite a few people were using the good ol' internet to find out some facts about sKerry (as Boortz calls him ha!).
Posted by: Shannon at April 12, 2004 07:17 PM (en3Op)
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Right on Sarah. Give that woman an A+ !
Posted by: david at April 13, 2004 09:13 AM (s7Ho8)
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Italians - of a certain stripe, at least - are among the Europeans most likely to understand the often extreme partisanship of US politics.
In a certain light, Berlusconi is Bush - the center-right patriot, self-made businessman, derided by his opponents as an idiot, adored by his supporters for his plain talking and man of the people credentials.
The Kerry figure would have to be Prodi - the EU-phile, unashamed of embarrassing his country for short-term political gain, with a shady and opportunistic past, and happy to mouth platitudes and present an innocuous public face.
Posted by: Dominic at April 15, 2004 06:22 AM (0h0BM)
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SNOTTY
I completely related with what Andrew Sullivan called the
snooty liberal self-parody.
"I was sitting in therapy describing an in-law I like, and quickly heading for a "but." "He's a loving, caring, selfless man -- but his politics are all about hatred," I said. "He's not educated, and more significant, he's ignorant -- he actually listens to Rush Limbaugh."
I waited for a "Whoo boy!" or a sympathetic smile, but my shrink just stared at me, expressionless.
"I assume you're not a Limbaugh fan," I ventured, assured that this woman, so nuanced in her thinking, couldn't possibly be a Dittohead. She was so reasonable that I couldn't imagine her getting off on Rush's demented tirades. She didn't seem square enough for his politics, and I was certain no hate radio fan was capable of her intellectual sophistication. Besides, she was an educated urban Jewish professional, and Rush's audience consisted largely of white suburban males.
She held my gaze a few excruciating seconds longer. "Actually, I am," she said. My moral compass began spinning wildly. I was suddenly sitting with someone new. The levelheaded sage in whom I'd confided for nearly a year had been replaced by an off-the-rack ideologue.
There were five minutes left in the session, and I felt like running. "Well, this could devolve into a whole political discussion, so I'll just finish the story," I rallied.
For the next week, I struggled with an overwhelming sense of betrayal."
It's an article in Salon by a woman who doesn't trust her shrink anymore because the shrink likes Limbaugh (don't bother registering; it's not a whole lot longer than this, and just more snotty). I've dealt with this before, when a friend told me she couldn't believe I leaned Right because I was so interested in other cultures and points of view.
And the Right's supposed to be the intolerant side.
MORE TO GROK:
Wow. Annika got slammed for no reason.
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Ha ha. Yah right. Did you read
the lovely comment i got from one of the tolerant lefties this morning? Nice.
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2004 02:11 PM (zAOEU)
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http://drug.medicinetrail.org/army_drug_screening/
bar bowelsswitchboardturns
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EXAMPLE
Last week I explored the Left-leaning tendencies of the
textbook I'm using in teaching my ENGL 101 class. Today I started studying Chapter 9: Example.
The sample topic:
Write and essay that uses at least three extended examples to support the thesis that poverty exists in your neighborhood, town, or state.
Poverty is all relative; slums in the US are affluent neighborhoods in many places in the world. Wanna see what Iraqis live in near my husband?
But OK, fine. Some people are poor in the US by US standards. It's just the unquestioning assertion that "poverty is everywhere" that bugs me somehow.
Because the topic is already specified in the wording of the assignment, the aim of your prewriting efforts should be to find the area of poverty in your neighborhood, town, or state you wish to cover and to amass specific details that you can include in your examples. If you are like most of us, you will find poverty just around the corner. As a prewriting activity, we suggest you take a drive to the affected area and look it over for yourself. [emphasis mine]
That's not an objective sentence for an instructional textbook.
I also laughed when I saw that one of the essays in this chapter, given as a model of good example writing, is by Maureen Dowd. If you don't think my textbook leans Left, you're smoking crack.
The real kicker was at the very end of the chapter. There's ususally a photo writing assignment, where there's some photo that's supposed to make you think. This writing assignment makes me ashamed to be using this book:
The photo of a young girl peering from among a group of burka-clad Afghan women is an example of how a garment can represent a strong tradition. Write an essay in which you use two or three other examples of clothing that represents a tradition among some group.
In my world, the burka is not equal to lederhosen or a grass skirt.
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I have an essay writing textbook dating back to '92. I hadn't looked at it for years, but recently I was browsing through it, and to my surprise, Andrew Sullivan was cited as an example. Naturally because he was writing about homosexuality, but I immediately thought that the author of the textbook probably didn't think Sullivan would become what he has.
As to the finding poverty writing assignment, I'd find examples of moral poverty, and intellectual poverty, rather than monetary. I'm perverse like that. The childless rich miser kinda theme, ya know....
Posted by: Blueshift at April 12, 2004 05:36 AM (crTpS)
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Blueshift has a point about poverty. The braindead variety IS everywhere.
I wouldn't jump to quick conclusions about Dowd without looking at what example of her work is included. (Maybe you've already done that. Sorry if you have.) Prior to 9/11, I used to read Dowd and found her columns to be occasionally entertaining. She wrote a piece on Irish-American stereotypes on TV that might've come from my pen, er, keyboard. (Hollywoodizations of ethnicity irritate me.) If the essay is an old Dowd column, it might be OK; if it's post-9/11, then your suspicions may be on the mark. A Dowd essay is not the red flag that a Chomsky essay would be.
Posted by: Amritas at April 12, 2004 06:12 AM (4UGE/)
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Sarah, it's posts like this that have been making me check your site first thing in the morning each day. Thanks.
How about this essay question:
"Write and essay that uses at least three extended examples to support the thesis that Communist sympathizers and lackeys exist in your university, newspaper, television station or legislature."
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2004 02:18 PM (zAOEU)
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Could it be that the textbook you are using is meant for teaching anywhere in the world, where poverty exists all over?
Do you know that 25% of the children in the USA live below the official poverty line?
Do you see that someone with the opposite bias as yours, say an Islamic fundamentalist, would see that photo and caption and say that it is horribly biased against burqhas because the girl looks so unhappy, stuck between scary burqhas?
You people are hilarious, picking apart a textbook like that. Here is another take, the equivalent of your perceptions, from the other extreme, on your previous examples from the textbook:
1. A new real admiral takes over a fleet and waits for the enemy.
!!Pro-militaristic, pro-war, Right Wing Bias!
2. Baby boomers worry about inflation and interest rates.
Capitalistic, Imperialist, Right Wing Bias.
3. We must worry about nuclear holocaust.
Sounds like Condi Rice. Fear the Nukes, So Increase Defense Spending: Right Wing Militaristic Bias
4. Americans are intolerant.
And Proud of it? Good Old Boy Conservative Bias.
5. Tennis is a sport for the millions.
We all know tennis is mainly played by the wealthy. Upper Class Imperialistic Capitalist Bias.
6. We all struggle over physical traits that make us feel different.
Eugenics, Perfect Aryan Body Types: Right Wing Nazi Bias.
7. The government should provide jobs for everyone.
Full Employment, MussoliniÂ’s promise to Italy: Fascist Bias.
8. Imagination is more important than knowledge.
? ? ?
9. Geoffrey was far from his goal of climbing the hill.
British Spelling of Geoffrey: Anglophilic Conservative Bias.
10.My anthropology teacher loved teaching.
OK, this is clear cut leftist bias. Anthropology=Darwin=antiBible, antiChristian Godless Communism!
There, 8 out of 10 showing clear cut right wing leanings. Now isnÂ’t that a little bit ridiculous? As ridiculous as the other extreme?
Posted by: florian at April 12, 2004 04:56 PM (WA0/w)
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Florian, you've already said all that before. I thought you were over the top last week, and I still think so today. Posting it again doesn't make it better.
Posted by: Sarah at April 12, 2004 05:11 PM (byQeW)
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I knew the above post was from Florian before I ever scrolled down to his/her name. Florian, you should really spend more time reading other blogs. You're extremely confrontational and argumentative. I'm tired of hearing what you have to say.
Posted by: Nancy at April 12, 2004 11:15 PM (boDJK)
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I loved the opening, 'You people'. Those first two words display a mind closed to any discussion.
Posted by: Blueshift at April 13, 2004 12:27 AM (crTpS)
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Confrontational? I used some humor in there. Or at least tried. Now, instead of nitpicking my word choice, how about addressing any of the points?
Posted by: florian at April 13, 2004 05:19 AM (v5x9Y)
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florian, if you are really concerned about poverty, then go create some wealth. Poverty is the universal human default condition. Prosperity is the exception. Try learning enough of basic economics to understand why Western capitalistic societies are the exception to the general poverty of human history.
I don't think you care about poor people, witness your statements about the oppression of women in Moslem countries. Your hatred of the culture that makes your pathetic existence possible is just the externalizing of your self-loathing.
Posted by: Infidel at April 13, 2004 04:37 PM (Hsc95)
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Whoa, Infid., whose the one filled with bitterness and spite, there? And if you would read just slightly more carefully, you would see that my comment about the photo, re oppression of muslim women, was a representation of a ridiculously extreme Islamic fundamentalist view. In order to make a point that the views expressed on this textbook issue (seeing liberal bias behind every rock) are just as extreme in the other direction. Got it?
Sarah, you are right, my comments were intentionally over the top -- to show you how much yours are.
Posted by: florian at April 14, 2004 07:37 AM (v5x9Y)
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ROLL OVER
Nelson Ascher says the insurgents are expecting us to roll over like Spain did.
But, though theyÂ’re repeating over and over again their tired routine, thereÂ’s no sign that America will behave like Europe and I think that it is this very difference in the behavior of the Europeans and Americans that mystifies the Islamic radicals. As it happens, theyÂ’re much more acquainted with the European mentality than with the American one and that simply because so many of them were born or have been living among Europeans. Thus they have arrived to the false conclusion that the US was nothing but Europe writ large.
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April 11, 2004
CYCLE
In Albany, Ga., barber Marty Ford keeps the television in his shop tuned to Fox news so customers can get the latest from Iraq.
"Time," is a word he emphasizes.
"It's only been a year. We got rid of that government and things are on the mend. It just takes time," said Ford, 46.
I spoke Friday out of frustration. I'm still frustrated. I read all the reactions here about what we should do, and I feel every one of those reactions every day. My emotions are on a cycle, but my resolve is stalwart; we will see this through and we will succeed.
Florian quotes Riverbend, not one of the Iraqi blogs I read. No common ground. In response, I quote Healing Iraq:
It is the most foolish and selfish thing to say "pull the troops out", or "replace them with the UN or NATO". Someone has to see us through this mess to the end. Only a deluded utopian (or an idiot peace activist) would believe that Iraqis would all cosily sit down and settle down their endless disputes without AK-47's, RPG's, or mortars in the event of coalition troops abandoning Iraq. Please please don't get me wrong, I am not in the least saying that I enjoy being occupied by a foreign force, I am not a dreamer who believes that the USA is here for altruistic reasons, I am not saying that I am happy with what my bleeding country is going through, believe me when I say it tears my heart every day to witness all the bloodshed, it pains me immensely to see that we have no leaders whomsoever with the interest and well-being of Iraq as their primary goal, it kills me to see how blind and ignorant we have all become. Iraqis are dying inside every day, and we are committing suicide over and over and over. Some people call me a traitor or a collaborator for all the above and for speaking the truth as opposed to rhetorical, fiery speeches which have been our downfall.
Zeyad too is going through the cycle of reactions. No one wants to see people dead, but war is sometimes the only avenue to peace.
My instincts tell me that.
MORE TO GROK:
Re-reading what I wrote back in November helps too.
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Didn't we bring your archives across?
Uh, evidently not.
Would you like to?
Posted by: Pixy Misa at April 11, 2004 05:36 PM (+S1Ft)
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I know what you mean. While driving up to my parents' house on Saturday I was in tears and really down. Now it's Monday morning and I'm feeling better. Partly it's from time spent with my newphew, partly from getting better info about what's going on where Nerdstar is, and a lot of it has to do with her encouraging words.
Posted by: beth at April 12, 2004 01:49 PM (qyrnu)
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Sarah, if you don't read Riverbend, how do you know you have no common ground? How can you quote someone "in response" to what you haven't read? It so happens that Riverbend's words from Iraq are not so different from the response you cited. She doesn't say "pull the troops out tomorrow" kind of things. And even the Healing I. that you cite charges that the US is in Iraq for its own benefit, not Iraq's. Is this your position, then?
In terms of common ground, you and Riverbend are both young women with loved ones under threat in Iraq, as I said before. You both have personal reason to care what happens. That's a starting point right there, isn't it?
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R&R
The husband called this morning. He said that they had been talking about R&R before all the Fallujah stuff started. As the Platoon Leader, he had to rank his soldiers by who he thinks deserves R&R the most. He put himself at the bottom of the list.
I'm so proud of him.
Since most of his guys were also nine months in Kosovo last year, he thinks they all deserve it more than he does. He also said he's not sure how big of an effect this list will have anyway, since they've stopped all talk of R&R since Fallujah. I told him I was impressed by his integrity and that we'd take R&R if we could but I'll be proud of him if we can't.
I'm so lucky to be married to such a selfless soldier.
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April 10, 2004
FIVE
Five things I really hate:
1. when orange juice turns sour
2. cleaning the George Foreman
3. when people leave their porchlight on during the day
4. the sound of a fork scraping on a dish
5. the expression "anywhoo"
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I'm with you on the George Forman. I stopped using it long ago for exactly that reason. My #1 is people in the left lane on the highway doing
less than the posted speed limit.
Posted by: Larry at April 10, 2004 08:16 PM (6TcYT)
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My #1 is people in online forums who say "hon" or "hun." Such as "hang in there hun." Especially when it's not a 60 year old person, but a 19 year old someone who hasn't a darn clue about the subject in which they are telling you to hang on through. Just pounds on my very last nerve.
Posted by: Shannon at April 10, 2004 10:14 PM (6EP7S)
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Pour or run really hot water on the grill (hang it over the edge of the sink), and most of the crud wipes right off.
Posted by: LCB at April 11, 2004 01:05 AM (WN/nF)
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Grrr...that "anyhoo" really ticks me off, too...I don't understand what it is supposed to mean, or how it is humourous, chummy, or otherwise clever.
Posted by: david at April 11, 2004 03:14 AM (s7Ho8)
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Something I always wondered... how do you know when sour cream goes bad? :-D
Posted by: CavalierX at April 11, 2004 10:51 AM (sA6XT)
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As for cleaning the Foreman grill - I have only one comment - warm grill (do just after it has cools a bit, or plug in 1 minute), wooden popsicle stick to clean out the cracks, and a paper towel. Works like a champ.
Posted by: Ron at April 11, 2004 02:15 PM (CwrQg)
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George Foreman grill.
As soon as you finish cooking, take a few paper towels, wet them, then lay them on the grill. Close the lid and enjoy your dinner. As soon as you are finished eating, take out the paper towels, and wipe down the grill.
Makes life a lot easier.
Posted by: NightHawk at April 11, 2004 06:58 PM (VYFGK)
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Clean the foreman while it is warm to hot, use wet paper towels. The gunk wipes right off.
Posted by: Blueshift at April 11, 2004 09:44 PM (crTpS)
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My technique is similar; I have a spray bottle of water which I use to augment the above techniques.
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HEAT
This is either the husband or the best friend.
I told you they'd bring the heat.
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CITIZENSHIP
Many times when I visit blogs, someone will say "read this" and I skip on by. If the name Mark Steyn or Victor Davis Hanson catches my eye, I'll linger, but often in my hurried mornings I'll miss out on an article because the blogger has not stressed how important it is.
I'm adding this old piece (from 2002) called The Civic Education America Needs to my crucial reading list. (I'm also printing it and sending it to the Best Friend and the Husband.) Bunker dug it up and wrote about the citizenship grades he also received in school. I struggled to find a paragraph that would characterize this important piece:
Restoring civic education—from the daily practice of its rituals to real mastery of the elements of Americanism—will not be easy, but such a shared sense of values is critical in such a vast nation that is otherwise not defined by a shared religion, common race, or dominant ethnic affiliation. After September 11, most Americans, in their slogans, flags, and posters, yearned for greater accord: “United We Stand” and “One from Many,” read some of the ad hoc banners. We are coming to realize that we cannot survive as a nation under today’s pernicious conventional wisdom of division and separatist cultural protocols—ideas based on misconceptions and outright untruths about the American past. Even the most jaded among us is beginning to sense that al-Qaida hates Asian, Hispanic, black, and white Americans alike—our women as much as, or more than, our men; Catholics, atheists, Protestants, agnostics, Jews, Buddhists, and Sikhs as infidels all. Our enemies see us as one united people even where we ourselves do not. And we are slowly re-learning the age-old lessons of war, that the spiritual is far more important than the material: that all the F-16s in the world will not guarantee us victory unless our pilots who fly them, mechanics who service them, and taxpayers who pay for them feel that they are shooting, repairing, and working for the preservation of their own common civilization that must not fall prey to barbarism.
In the America I live in, citizenship is important. Belonging to the greater whole that is the United States is important. Working together to set aside our differences and build a more perfect union is important. Being an American is important.
I'm taking a break from the computer today to go read my students' essays. Many of them wrote about what it meant to them to join the Army; that's just the pick-me-up I need today.
MORE TO GROK:
Apparently the America I live in doesn't include Hawaii, where Amritas points out the proposal to create a new ethnic-Hawaiian school district:
The curriculum portrays the United States as a colonial oppressor of the Hawaiian people, and is designed to train children to become skillful advocates for race-based political sovereignty.
God help us all.
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Sadly, everywhere you look the old states are falling apart, and I believe that the movements behind these things are one of the most idiotic movements in history. Take Britain, for instance. One could certainly argue that Wales and Scotland had a much worse relationship with England than Hawaii did with America. But look what Britain became. Now all the independence movements are threatening to tear that apart. Britain's loony immigrations policies at the moment but exacerbate the problem.
What we seem to be seeing, instead of a movement toward union, is a movement to split up into smaller states, usually defined by ethnicity. This, to me, is dangerous retrogression--after all, that was exactly the situation in most parts of Europe during the Middle Ages. And we all know how lovely they were.
I once foolishly thought that the civil rights movement was an attempt to overcome racial barriers and make the dream of "something larger" even more real. And that would have been something beautiful. Regrettably, I think, for the most part, that the opposite has occurred.
Posted by: Jeremiah at April 10, 2004 08:09 AM (uRPKT)
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*some of the most
Sorry, it's early on this side of the pond.
Posted by: Jeremiah at April 10, 2004 08:11 AM (uRPKT)
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I was a strong believer in the Civil Rights movement in the '60s. Personally, I now feel betrayed. Most of the people in this country believed in equality, and were willing to go the distance to achieve it. Unfortunately, there were too many people making a buck off discrimination to ever let it die. Jesse and Al and Maxine and Louis come quickly to mind.
Posted by: Mike at April 10, 2004 03:30 PM (m7WWq)
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As Tibet is to China, Hawaii is to the USA.
Posted by: florian at April 11, 2004 07:01 AM (vNloz)
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Florian: you are an idiot, and not a useful one at that. Try doing a little homework before you make a complete fool of yourself. The vast majority of people who actually live in Hawaii (I'm one) are happy and proud to be Americans. In 1959 there was a referrendum in which the the people of Hawaii overwhelmingly voted for statehood.
Your digusting moral equivalence of the USA and Red China is beneath contempt, as I suspect, you are too.
Posted by: Infidel at April 11, 2004 06:50 PM (BRHmA)
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Thanks for the VDH article. I printed it and am sending it to my brother-in-law's sister. She teaches third grade and is already poisoning these young minds with the leftist agenda. ARGH! During the 2000 election, she was telling them how evil Bush was and great Gore was, made me want to puke. Shouldn't she be teaching them that one of the most wonderful things about our country is the God given right to educate yourself and form your own opinion?
At yesterday's Easter dinner when talk turned to politics, I cleared the table. I was totally outnumbered and didn't even want to go there. When I asked her if it was safe to go back in, she replied, "You're not a BUSH supporter, are you?" When I nodded my head, she said, "Oh my God," as if I had leporsy or something.
Love your blog Sarah. I check on you every day and pray for you and your husband.
P.S. I live on the flight path of Selfridge AFB. I pray for our soldiers every time they fly over. God Bless America.
Posted by: MargeinMI at April 12, 2004 12:10 PM (0nofe)
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Sarah - thanks for pointing me to the VDH essay on Citizenship. He is such a wonderful writer - when you see him on Fox (the only place I've ever seen Victor interviewed) his demeanor is of a kind, thoughtful and laid back intellectual. Also would like to thank you for putting up the link for Books for Soldiers (for some reason though you can't click to link to the website - just an fyi). I printed out and saved the essay cause I'd like to include it as reading material for some of my care packages to the troops.
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I don't really consider myself a cryer, but something about this week has put my emotions on edge. Last night I cried out of frustration. This morning I cry out of respect:
But asked if he ever wondered about the decisions of generals and policymakers, he said, “I support them. I’ve got faith in them. If they’re telling us we’ve got to stay here, it’s for a good reason. Good will prevail. Ma’am, if the nation needs us to stay and fight, we’ll stay and fight.”
This soldier, staying for an extra four months of duty with 1AD, groks.
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April 09, 2004
CHAIR
This photo made me start crying.
The caption at AP:
On the anniversary of the fall of Baghdad, an American soldier removes posters of Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that were hanging Friday April 9 2004 on a statue on Firdos Square in Baghdad, Iraq. One year ago, U.S. soldiers pulled down Saddam Hussein's statue from this very place. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)
One year ago today, I was so happy for the Iraqis. I sat on the sofa at Fort Knox and cheered wildly as they tore that statue down. I wept for the Iraqis and their newfound freedom; now I weep for their newfound vengeance.
If you remember, the statue of Saddam wasn't the only thing to come down from that pedestal last year. The American flag an overzealous soldier hung up there was quickly taken down, lest the world think we came as conquerors. We were there to give Iraq to the Iraqis, and they've repaid us by burning our dead and hanging them from a bridge.
I just finished reading Nine Parts of Desire: The Hidden World of Islamic Women. It was written by an Australian woman who spent years studying Muslim women throughout the Middle East. The last chapter was the most interesting, where she recounted her frustration in dealing with women who accepted the status quo. No matter how many times she tried to point out that the oppression of women is a distortion of Muhammad's words in the Koran, the Muslim women refused to believe that the way they were living was not in accordance with Allah's will. You open the Koran and point to a specific passage, and it still doesn't help.
We can point to all the good things we've brought to Iraq -- removal of Saddam, strengthened economy, freedom of speech -- but it doesn't seem to do any good. They hate us. They chose to hate us even before we showed up, and nothing we point at will make them change their minds.
You know how Plato said that stuff about the ideal chair and the real chair? One year ago my mental Iraqi was the ideal Iraqi. I imagined that they cowered under Saddam and longed for freedom in the way I would long for it if I were oppressed. I imagined that they would be grateful to be rid of such a foul leader and ready to start anew in Iraq. The majority of Iraqis, in my mind, were the ideal. Turns out there are a lot more real Iraqis and less ideal Iraqis than I had guessed.
I look at that soldier and wonder what he must be thinking. Damn, are we here again? Full circle, with just another hateful man's face atop this pedestal? Have we made any progress at all in this past year?
This week it feels like we haven't. This week I want to say, "Give the Iraqis their al-Sadr and let's go home." This week I've lost sight of the reason all of this matters. My laser beam has burned out, my ideal chair turns out to be some junky armchair at the side of the road, and my tears are flowing for that soldier who has to climb to the top of that pedestal again one year later and tear down the image of another dangerous leader.
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In our IM last night, all Nerdstar and I could keep coming back to is how stupid and frustrating so much of what's happening over there is. You wrote it a lot more eloquently that I have.
Hang in there!
Posted by: beth at April 09, 2004 07:23 PM (G7Amc)
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Plato also likened reality to the shadows that are thrown on the cave wall by the flickering flames of the fire. We often see the shadows and try to grasp the reality (aka your "real" chairs.
The reality in Iraq - if I read the right sources, is that the average Iraqi is delighted that we have made the ultimate sacrifice to provide their freedom and chance for democracy. But there are many that are threatened by this - especially in Iran and Syria - that are now engaged in the fight to destroy what has been won at a price of American lives, we are not fighting against a civil war but against trained guerillas from foreign countries. And our fine troops will win.
The experience we had in Japan and Germany after WWII was similar. There were vicious attacks that we forget today. Peace and democracy come at a dear price. This is a journey that the Iraquis - if they make it - will be making for many years to come. The only question is whether we will give up before this has a chance to work.
Moving from Plato to a more common experience, birth: we are still in delivery and the baby is viable. But the pain is enormous to the mother at this point. She can terminate the new life - and lose the baby; or perservere and hope the child will grow and prosper. Even that is not guaranteed. No parent can fortell what the child will become.
God help us and the Iraqi people if we waver or fail in this venture.
Posted by: RobertP at April 10, 2004 03:20 AM (1+mnL)
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Elsewhere you have written that US soldiers' lives are worth more than Iraqi civilian lives. And you are shocked and saddened that Iraqis are supporting their own extremist leaders and want the US out?
Consider the words of a young Iraqi woman, your age and worried about her loved ones, as you are:
"Where are the useless Governing Council? Why isn't anyone condemning the killings in the south and in Falloojeh?! Why aren't they sitting down that fool Bremer and telling him that this is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong??? If one of them were half a man or even half a human, they would threaten to resign their posts if there isn't an immediate ceasefireÂ… the people are enraged. This latest situation proves that they aren't Iraqi- they aren't here for the welfare of the Iraqi people.
"The American and European news stations don't show the dying IraqisÂ… they don't show the women and children bandaged and bleeding- the mother looking for some sign of her son in the middle of a puddle of blood and dismembered arms and legsÂ… they don't show you the hospitals overflowing with the dead and dying because they don't want to hurt American feelingsÂ… but people *should* see it. You should see the price of your war and occupation- it's unfair that the Americans are fighting a war thousands of kilometers from home. They get their dead in neat, tidy caskets draped with a flag and we have to gather and scrape our dead off of the floors and hope the American shrapnel and bullets left enough to make a definite identificationÂ…"
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com
You write that your instincts are telling you "Let's go home." TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS.
Posted by: florian at April 11, 2004 07:37 AM (SEBm0)
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Whoa, hold on, let's see if there's another way to look at this.
As I see it, a year later and they have finally gotten their stuff together for their big counterattack, their big show of force before handover. It's their Battle of the Bulge. The coordination shows this has been planned for some time.
And this is it. Some pictures of a crazed young cleric. A few thousand hostiles terrorizing the civilians. A few hits against our non-front-line troops. YES, I grieve for those who have been hurt and lost in this, but let's keep it in perspective.
On the positive side, this is forcing the GC to finally step up and try taking some responsibility, in a very visible way. This is part of the baby-steps we have to hold their hand for while they're learning to walk. Will it work? Don't know yet. If not, we'll try something else. Remember, the reason we're there are the terrible alternatives if we were not. Those alternatives still await us if we turn away.
As to Riverbend, she's been the most pro-Saddam of all the Iraqi bloggers, and the reasons seem pretty clear. No matter what she thinks, we're not going anywhere for some time.
Posted by: DSmith at April 11, 2004 05:18 PM (ZG0r7)
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How twisted, DS, to call Riverbend "pro Saddam". It shows you have never read her. If you have any integrity you will write her and apologize.
And you write "a year later and they have finally gotten their stuff together for their big counterattack". Who are *they*? We have been told it was Saddam's sons were leading the attacks, or Saddam, then foreigners, then Al Queda, then Al Sadr... What is obvious is regular moderate Iraqi people have gotten sick of the US government's lies about the invasion and occupation.
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