December 03, 2009
WHAT IF?
Diana West asks an
interesting question (via Amritas):
[W]hat if WWII had been fought as a "counterinsurgency"?
What if, instead of firebombing every important German city and
killing tens of thousands of civilians from Hamburg to Dresden, and
instead of firebombing Tokyo and nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki and tens
of thousands of Japanese in the all-out effort to defeat the Axis
powers and End All Fighting, the Allies had sought instead to win hearts and minds?
What if Gen. Eisenhower, like Gen. McChrystal today in Afghanistan,
wandered through German towns, asking das volk, "What do you need?
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We'd be leaving by June, 2011, of course.
Posted by: Chuck Z at December 03, 2009 03:47 PM (bMH2g)
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Thanks, Sarah.
I want to make it clear that neither Diana West nor I think that genocide is the answer. The point is that she and I fear
the militarywill continue to be
tightly leashed, hands behind its back, bound by criminally perilous
rules of engagement and limited strategies that actually cause US
casualties, all in a criminally misguided effort to put over a
hearts-and-mind ivory tower thesis to "protect the Afghan people from
everything that can hurt them," which is how Gen. McChrystal memorably
and shamefully put it.Today, the
Las Vegas Review-Journal asked,
Our military forces are more than
able. Will they truly now be set loose to do the job and win? Or do
they have to fear being hauled up before a court-martial if they give
some terrorist a bloody lip?I agree with
John T. Reed:
The U.S. should not use more force than necessary to terminate a particular threat, but the rule should be to use the necessary force to end it right now, not to pussy foot around trying to avoid injuring any civilians, including those who deliberately allow themselves to be used as human shields. All of the above assumes we are targeting a threat. The title of West's article asked, "How Important Is Marjeh?"
If Marjeh is so important
to this war it should be bombed into surrender or smithereens, whichever comes first.Andrew Bacevich (via
the article you linked to yesterday) went further:
What is it about Afghanistan, possessing next to nothing that the United States requires, that justifies such lavish attention?[...]
As long as we maintain adequate defenses, Al Qaeda operatives, hunkered
down in their caves, pose no more than a modest threat. As for the
Taliban, unless they manage to establish enclaves in places like New
Jersey or Miami, the danger they pose to the United States falls
several notches below the threat posed by Cuba, which is no threat at
all."Adequate defenses" include locking our doors so that al-Qaeda and the Taliban can't come here. If they are already here, deport them.
Suppose Afghanistan collapses and al-Qaeda take over. Can't we just bomb them?
I am not a pacifist. I advocate selective aggression.
We have to ask ourselves, what are the greatest threats to the US? All this focus on Afghanistan has made us forget about the remaining two-thirds of the Axis of Evil.
All the furor over Iran's elections has died down, but
the Iranian threat remains:
Iran’s apparent full-speed charge to nuclear weapons is the
equivalent [of the Cuban missile crisis], if not worse. The Soviet Union was run by grown-ups who
probably would not have used those Cuban nukes. Iran is not run by grown-ups. We cannot chance Iran having nuclear weapons and giving them to terrorists.
If and when such a nuke goes off in the U.S., the U.S. will not do what Hillary said during the campaign—swift retaliation—because we will not know for sure who did it. But we do know now, for sure, who is building nuclear factories as fast as they can.
And we know
who already has nukes:
North Korea probably has fissile material for up to 9 nuclear weapons, and has the capability to deploy nuclear warheads on intermediate-range ballistic missiles.I wouldn't consider Kim Jong Il to be grown up either.
I am not advocating war against Iran and North Korea tomorrow. I don't know what to do about them. I am simply trying to keep Afghanistan in perspective.
America has many enemies. It can try to keep them out. It can attack those who can harm us from afar. But it can't defeat them all.
Posted by: Amritas at December 03, 2009 04:19 PM (+nV09)
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Chuck Z,
Did you mean June 1943?
Imagine where we'd be 66 years later if Diana West's scenario were real.
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Remember, well at least I am old enough to, the Marshall Plan? We made sure we won and
then we sent the money.
Seems like a good way to do it to me.
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December 02, 2009
TERRORISM THAT'S PERSONAL
When I was 21, a boy asked me to marry him. He wasn't the right person for me, and I had to politely decline the surprising offer. I'm sure it hurt his feelings, but that was the extent of it.
And that's what I thought of when I saw
Terrorism That's Personal. (Warning: graphic content that will make you cry.) No one threw acid on me or tried to kill me.
I was allowed to not marry him.
Many women in this world are not allowed to make that choice. Or when they do make that choice, they must live with the consequences of wanting some control over their own lives. Blindness, disfigurement, even death.
My heart is sick for these women.
(via
Cass)
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Wow, I read that last night, via someone else. I was completely shocked. I vaguely remembered hearing something about a woman having acid thrown in her face, but I didn't know it was a REGULAR occurrence over there. God have mercy . . .
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This makes me so angry. It's just unf***ing believable...sorry, I think the swearing justifiable here. I can't believe that we turn such a blind eye to this for the most part. I caught a clip on Oprah yesterday where they were talking about how many women in the world die in childbirth, and if it were men, there would be a lot more done about it...just like now that it's men that are starting to get raped in Darfur, it's becoming a huge UN issue.
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Tell me, again, how this is the religion of peace?
And we're the godless infidel.
Posted by: Chuck Z at December 02, 2009 03:29 PM (bMH2g)
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I have no words.
However, it is unfortunate that in many parts of this planet men simply are not men.
It is stories like this and images like this that keep me driving forward in our adoption of our daughter. Her part of the world is not a safe place for her and I'm bound and determined I will bring her home come hell or high water.
Posted by: Guard Wife at December 02, 2009 10:17 PM (I6LTM)
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I posted a link to that on my fb. I've got quite a few liberal friends on there (mostly people from back in HS). Curious to see the reaction I might get...
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at December 03, 2009 12:13 AM (vqKnu)
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Cass wrote,
It's your choice, Mr. President. But if you can look into those eyes
and abandon these women to the rule of monsters, then honor is dead.The War on Terror is hard enough. How can the US also fight a War on Misogyny? Have our military serve as an international human rights
police?
They require local police who can speak the language
as natives, know the people as natives [...]
Furthermore, this is an open-ended commitment.
The need for police has never ended in New York City. It will never end
in Baghdad either. That’s another reason why the police must be local, not a GI from Indiana or a Marine from New Mexico.Set up reeducation camps for men across Central and South Asia? How do you change
those who don't want to change?
There is no amount of
money to spend, infrastructure to build, schools to provide, hospitals
to heal, or good will that Americans can display toward the Afghan
people that will produce a lasting effect. Anyone remember the
Helmand Valley Authority?
The Muslim world has its own ...
approach toward acid attacks:
In 2002, Bangladesh introduced the death penalty for throwing acid and laws strictly controlling the sales of acids.Under the Qisas law of Pakistan, the perpetrator may suffer the same fate as the victim, and may be punished by having drops of acid placed in their eyes. This law is not binding and is rarely enforced according to a New York Times
report. Iran has a similar law, and sentenced an attacker to be blinded in 2008.The attacker can still see:
However, the court overruled the application of the sharia laws in the case, canceling Movahedi's blinding.An eye for an eye? Horrifying.
The world outside the West can be nightmarish. Once the whole world was that way. But the West got its act together, and other countries like Japan and Turkey managed to modernize themselves.
Conservativism is about self-reliance, not dependence. If we oppose welfare at home, shouldn't we oppose welfare abroad too? Only the Third World can fix itself. Perhaps someday Afghanistan will have its own Ataturk to lead it out of ignorance. Or not. Either way, it's out of our hands.
John T. Reed uses Darfur to illustrate apathy toward distant suffering:
Ask a man on the street if he is concerned about genocide in Darfur
and he will say he is. Ask him what he’s going to do about it, and he
will shrug. Push him on whether he would serve in the military there or
send his child to serve in the military there and he will say no. Ask
if he wants his taxes raised to pay for some sort of help to Darfur and
he will probably react negatively.
Although the American
people are willing to pay lip service about such things, the bottom
line fact is that they really do not care enough to support any action.
The same is true of the rest of the world.
If the tables were turned, would the people in Darfur care about us?
Politicians talk about such suffering to show they
care. The media knows disasters mean ratings. We watch, we listen, we feel bad for a moment, and then we go on with our lives, while the suffering also goes on, out of sight, out of mind ...
I wish it were otherwise.
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December 01, 2009
"LOOK AT YOUR MAP"
Last night I was interviewed for an article called "
Families Await News From Afghanistan." I only played a small role in the article, probably because I wasn't sure exactly what was expected of me. Truthfully, I felt that giving my opinion before Pres Obama's speech was a waste of time, because the
specifics of what he'd say is what really means something. Who cares what I think the night
before I know what's going on? The reporter -- who was very nice and professional and quoted me accurately (except that I know for a fact I always called him "President Obama" and not just "Obama," as I was quoted as saying. Out of respect for the office of the presidency, I make a point of never calling him just by his last name.) -- asked me what I thought of the proposed additional 30,000 troops and what I thought about the inclusion of an exit strategy. And my answer, which is not conducive to news articles, is that
it depends.
What I answered was that it depends on what the 30,000 will be used for. Will they be sent to urban or rural areas? Will they be doing counter-insurgency or counter-terrorism? And as far as an exit goes, I said it depends on whether Pres Obama announces what the end game is. Will he state concrete goals? Will he announce a victory strategy? It makes no sense to denote an arbitrary end to a war based on running out the clock; what does victory look like to the Obama administration?
And I obviously over-thought the substance of the article, because I was apparently over-expectant on the substance of the speech.
I wanted details. I can't form any opinions on whether we're making the right move if I don't know the specifics. And I feel like I didn't learn anything new from listening to Pres Obama's speech tonight than what I already knew from what got leaked ahead of time. (Except I learned there is something called a "
tool of mass destruction." Which sounds more like a witty insult than something serious.)
What I wanted was Perot or Beck-style charts and graphs. I wanted another version of FDR's fireside chat
On the Progess of the War.
That is the reason why I have asked you to take out and spread before you (the) a map of the whole earth, and to follow with me in the references which I shall make to the world-encircling battle lines of this war.
[...]
Look at your map.
[...]
Heavy bombers can fly under their own power from here to the southwest Pacific, either way, but the smaller planes cannot. Therefore, these lighter planes have to be packed in crates and sent on board cargo ships. Look at your map again; and you will see that the route is long – and at many places perilous – either across the South Atlantic all the way (a)round South Africa and the Cape of Good Hope, or from California to the East Indies direct. A vessel can make a round trip by either route in about four months, or only three round trips in a whole year.
In spite of the length, (and) in spite of the difficulties of this transportation, I can tell you that in two and a half months we already have a large number of bombers and pursuit planes, manned by American pilots and crews, which are now in daily contact with the enemy in the Southwest Pacific. And thousands of American troops are today in that area engaged in operations not only in the air but on the ground as well.
In this battle area, Japan has had an obvious initial advantage. For she could fly even her short-range planes to the points of attack by using many stepping stones open to – her bases in a multitude of Pacific islands and also bases on the China coast, Indo-China coast, and in Thailand and Malaya (coasts). Japanese troop transports could go south from Japan and from China through the narrow China Sea, which can be protected by Japanese planes throughout its whole length.
I ask you to look at your maps again, particularly at that portion of the Pacific Ocean lying west of Hawaii. Before this war even started, the Philippine Islands were already surrounded on three sides by Japanese power. On the west, the China side, the Japanese were in possession of the coast of China and the coast of Indo-China which had been yielded to them by the Vichy French. On the North are the islands of Japan themselves, reaching down almost to northern Luzon. On the east, are the Mandated Islands – which Japan had occupied exclusively, and had fortified in absolute violation of her written word.
Read that and imagine any recent president talking to us citizens this way. Imagine being treated like you have a brain in your head, and that you're a part of what's taking place. Imagine your president asking you to follow his complex speech on a map or with pen and paper.
Instead, we got "We will not target other people...because their faith or ethnicity is different from ours." And praise for teachers, community organizers, and "Peace Corps volunteers who spread hope abroad."
That's all well and good, but I wanted details about Afghanistan.
I don't know why I expected I would get that.
MORE:
Vodkapundit
drunkblogged.
he’s decided to send an additional 30,000 troops for 30 months. That’s not a strategic decision. That’s a new-car warranty.
Bad writing. Lame delivery. Tepid response — from cadets ORDERED to be nice. And a strategic vision equal parts High School Essay Content and low-rent public relations.
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I'm chicken, I didn't listen. I am prone to high blood pressure, no need to aggravate it. I can read it.
Every time I watch him I wonder why SNL doesn't copy that swing the head from side to side to read the teleprompters. And the cadenced speech, just catching up with the next line. If one of the famous newsreaders did it that badly they wouldn't be where they are.
Posted by: Ruth H at December 01, 2009 11:15 PM (zlUde)
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I listened to it on the radio. I have difficulty taking him seriously when he talks. I'd love to give him a blank slate and give him credit where credit is due, but the main thought that came to me as I was hearing him talk about military strategy was, "What on earth does he know about military strategy, REALLY?"
He says all the pretty things people want to hear, but I can't help but think it's because someone In The Know wrote it for him -- not because he actually knows or believes what he's talking about. It saddens me that a man in charge of our nation can be so disappointing, especially when it comes to the safety and security of our nation and those who volunteer to go out and lay their lives on the line -- often multiple times -- for that safety and security.
I had a wailing baby in the background for most of the speech, so I didn't get to hear it all, but I did try to listen without getting my hackles up. That's hard. The sound of P. Obama's voice alone gets my hackles up, even in parody.
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"He’s decided to send an additional 30,000 troops for 30 months. That’s not a strategic decision. That’s a new-car warranty."
I SO stole that.
Posted by: Chuck Z at December 02, 2009 12:40 AM (bMH2g)
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"That is the reason why I have asked you to take out and spread before you (the) a map of the whole earth,"
You know, most people at that time actually HAD a map of the whole earth. Now most people wouldn't know how to read a map much less keep one available for study.
Posted by: Pamela at December 02, 2009 03:46 AM (sZIUh)
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Sarah,
I can't form any opinions on whether we're making the right move if I don't know the specifics. One could argue that Obama couldn't reveal the specifics because he didn't want the enemy to know his strategy. The trouble with that argument is that he
did reveal when the troops will leave. I bet the enemy is planning right now what to do until 2011 - and beyond.
Why 2011? Why 30,000? Why these seemingly arbitrary numbers? How does he know the mission will be accomplished by adding X number of troops by date Y? This seems to be an attempt to reassure the American public - don't worry, our troops won't be there forever - while at the same looking as if he is Doing Something. Which he is, but that's an unacceptable third choice to me. Here are the only two I like: Win and Leave ... or Just Leave.
And what is that Something, exactly? Sounds like Afghanization to me.
Taken together, these additional American and international troops will
allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces,
and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in
July of 2011.[...]
We will continue to advise and assist Afghanistan's Security Forces to
ensure that they can succeed over the long haul. But it will be clear
to the Afghan government – and, more importantly, to the Afghan people
– that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.What makes Obama think all this - and more! - can be done in 18 months? How much more?
And we will also focus our assistance in areas – such as agriculture –
that can make an immediate impact in the lives of the Afghan people.Our forces have to protect and feed Afghans?
What General McChrystal, Sec Def Gates and President Obama need to
remember is that they are sworn by oath to defend this country and our
people - not protect the civilian population of another country or
rebuild their country with our tax dollars and the blood of our
children!-
John Bernard, USMC (26 years)
I suggest we scale down our goals. I like
one of the comments on Bernard's blog:
COIN has a high cost in blood and treasure. The only way out is to have a clear mission - Bin Laden - and leave.
Posted by: Amritas at December 02, 2009 04:08 AM (u0BIk)
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To accomplish that "clear mission",
the rules of engagement need to be changed:
Part of the strategy should be World War II Rules of Engagement.
[...]
Right now, American soldiers and Marines are dying in Iraq and
Afghanistan in spite of the fact that we have the most powerful
military in the world and the enemy is a joke militarily. Why? Because we are afraid to use our military assets for fear of bad public relations from media and foreigners who hold us to ridiculously high standards while holding the enemy to no standards at all. The enemy deliberately targets innocent civilians
who have no military value. We would not do that. But neither should we
let Americans and our allies continue to die in order to avoid being
bad-mouthed by hidden-agenda-driven, hair-trigger critics who apply a
double standard [and who hate us no matter what we do -A]
[...]
When the Rules of Engagement get too extreme, as in this case, the
mission is no longer a military one. Prohibiting the military from
using their guns is ridiculous. If the military cannot use their guns
to accomplish their mission or protect their troops, they should not be
there at all.
And they should just leave.
But what about the Afghans? They have to fix their own problems. The US has tried before, not just in a certain Southeast Asian country, but also in Afghanistan itself:
Guess what, General [McChrystal]? The United States of America has already tried improving
Afghan safety and quality of life, and on a colossal scale, and it just
didn't stick. And back then, between 1946 and 1979, there was no
Taliban "insurgency" complicating the social work of nation-building.
Yet the Great Society lives on!
"[...] see if what passes for US military strategy doesn't sound an awful lot like Great Society addle-pated liberalism."
- Diana West
Nation-building
is the ultimate form of socialism. American conservatives resent
liberals' attempts to rebuild America, even though the two groups have
a lot more in common than Americans and Afghans. If America cannot be
transformed through socialist programs, how can America transform other
countries through socialist programs? We might as well terraform Mars.
As an analytical exercise, try to understand Afghanistan as a hostile planet to which we have been forced, in self-defense, to deploy military colonies.
[...]
This is a "war of the worlds" in the cultural sense, a head-on collision between civilizations from different galaxies.
And the aliens don't come in peace.
But they can come to America! Our open door is our greatest weakness. Obama said,
In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our
borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and
Pakistan to commit new acts of terror.
This is news to me. But I'm not surprised by enemy infiltration, or by Obama's failure to declare the closing of the doors.
We
don't just need WWII rules of engagement. We need WWII immigration
policies. How many Axis immigrants came to the US during 1942-1945?
It's been said ad infinitum that we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. The trouble is that the enemy is already over here. And by "the enemy", I don't mean random Muslims. I mean jihadis.
I actually agreed with Obama when he said,
We have to invest in our homeland security, because we cannot capture
or kill every violent extremist abroad. We have to improve and better
coordinate our intelligence, so that we stay one step ahead of shadowy
networks.
No more blind eyes to jihadi warning signs. No more Fort Hoods.
We must send a clear message to jihadis:
You
are not wanted in this country. And if you dare to threaten us from
abroad, we will be back in the Middle East, and you will end up like
Saddam. DEAD.
As Sha'i ben-Tekoa wrote about Iraq back in 2003,
It
is always possible to return, if necessary. An “in-and-out†strategy
might be more successful and cheaper in blood and money in the long
term than an indefinite occupation taking casualties all the time.
But no.
Instead of clearly defined, doable short-term operations, we're told to expect miracles in 18 months
while our weak spot remains vulnerable. Why should we believe Obama? As Deltasierra asked,
What on earth does he know about military strategy, REALLY?
Obama is just a teleprompter-reading prop. Who wrote his script? Who came up with what Vodkapundit described as
"a strategic vision equal parts High School Essay Content and low-rent public relations"? Who is responsible for the men and women hurt or killed for the sake of a ...
"new car warranty"!?
Whose fault is this?
Forget them for a moment. What if you (Sarah, anybody) wrote Obama's speech for him? What would you have wanted him to say?
Sarah asked,
[W]
hat does victory look like to the Obama administration?
I'd like to ask you and your readers, "What does victory look like to you?"
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Remind me, did Pres Bush provide details of his surge back in Jan 2007?
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GLOBAL WARMING FLOW CHARTS
There's
a good post at The Devil's Kitchen (via
The Corner) with flow charts explaining how we
ought to make decisions on global warming vs how we do. I have debated this with real-world friends and have always tried to steer it towards the Ought flow chart, but it always ends up skipping right ahead to the "We're all going to die" box. Laymen, especially quasi-treehuggers, don't want to talk about cost-benefit analysis; I've been told that we need to err on the side of caution and try to prevent climate change from happening no matter the cost because it's For The Childrenâ„¢. And even when I try to
play Bjorn Lomborg, as I've said I always try to do to concede some ground in the debate, and say that there are things we can do to save The Children right now instead of in 100 years, it never seems to have much effect.
If anything, Climategate can at least give me another talking point to get us off the bozo flow chart and back onto the Ought one. The science is most certainly not settled, so any decisions you make For The Children based on the "consensus" are flawed.
But what do I know, I don't even recycle.
UPDATE:
Slightly related, I enjoyed
this comment on Althouse's post (via Boxenhorn).
He easily could've made an argument that Republicans are sceptical of
anything which tries to paint Capitalism in as bad a light as possible,
or that we are not idealistic so much as pragmatic, and realise that
academia (who fired the first AGW volleys) are mostly left-wingers
intent on hounding corporations for their multiple "crimes".
But
no, he goes for the "Republicans are dumb and don't like science [read,
because they are religious and therefore are all creationists]".
We're even better at making their arguments for them!
And here's a great
summary of Climategate itself. (I just discovered that the link doesn't go directly to the comment, so I am reposting it here.)
The reason why people say it has warmed at all in the last 100 years is
because the CRU told them so. How did CRU come to that conclusion?
Well, NASA gave the raw temperature readings for however many years
such things existed. CRU then proceeded to "adjust" those readings.
Clearly, some adjustment and almalgamation was needed to get the proper
global temperature measurements. But were CRU's adjustments done
correctly?
Understand, this is a really hard question. We don't
know what the actual global temperature is. We are supposed to figure
that out by looking at the temperature data and adjusting it
accordingly. But if you don't know the final answer how do you know the
adjustments are correct? That is a hard question.
But we will
never know if the adjustments were done properly because the CRU
destroyed the raw temperature readings. They only have their adjusted
or "value added" readings. But there is no way to tell now if those
readings are correct.
The whole proposition that the world
warmed over the last 100 years is now in question. For all we know, the
world could be cooler now than it was in 1900. We have only CRU's word
and adjustments to go on. And CRU has been revealed to be a complete
fraud. Basically, climate science has to start over from square one.
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We have always been tuned into the Climate "debate" at our house. My husband is a scientist.
Well, just go to my blog and see how many posts we have done on it and my explanation of why. We means me, my son and daughter. You don't want me to repeat all that here.;D
Rockport Conservatives
Posted by: Ruth H at December 01, 2009 12:18 PM (KLwh4)
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Sarah,
I love the flow chart! Thanks for linking to it. If everyone wrote such charts, we'd understand their thinking much better. Alas, there is much more feeling than thinking ...
Laymen, especially quasi-treehuggers, don't want to talk about cost-benefit analysisWhy would they want to be like a (gasp!) capitalist weighing alternatives when they can have faith in the One Truth? Again, feeling over thinking.
there are things we can do to save The Children right now instead of in 100 yearsThat assumes saving anyone is the point. It isn't.
Being a
Borlaug is boring. Silent salvation? Zzzz. Better to keep everyone awake with hype, I mean, the
Truth about our burning planet, keep everyone's eyes on
you, a superior being high above those gun-clinging Creationists. Point to the flaming globe sticker on your SUV and
talk about how you'd
like to get a Prius.
I loathe 'science' in the name of status. But I don't have
what Guard Wife might call actual knowledge about the climate. I see two possibilities:
- AGW is real and all this data-cooking was totally unnecessary
- AGW is as bogus as the data
I was on the fence for years but now I lean toward the latter. Imagine you're Jor-El during the last days of Krypton. You find data indicating your planet will soon blow up. Would you
(a) want to be disproven? (Science is about
testable hypotheses. Counterevidence. Skepticism. Not belief. Not dogma.)
(b) manufacture 'proof'?
If you don't get that analogy, read
this comment at Althouse:
Just ask yourself: are the global warming alarmists behaving like
people who have discovered the equivalent of an asteroid heading for
earth that will destroy life as we know it? Or are they behaving like
people who "never let a good crisis go to waste," a la Rahm Emanuel?If
I had discovered an asteroid heading for earth, I would bend over
backwards to provide every bit of my data, my models, my emails,
whatever, to the skeptics so that I could convince them. You wouldn't
need to file an FOA request to see my emails or data because I'd be out
showing them to as many people as possible. I'd be as open as I could
because I'd WANT to be disproven if possible. And knowing that my
political opponents would be skeptical of any proposals that smacked of
confiscatory taxes and world government, I'd say "YOU decide what we
should do - I don't care how capitalistic/free-market/conservative your
solution, as long as it solves the problem". Such a problem would truly
be beyond politics or careerism, and a person who really believed it
was potentially civilization-ending would welcome skepticism, would
welcome critiques, would be as open as possible.It would be tragic if AGW were real, if we could do something about it, but we didn't because of Climategate.
Josh Marshall's post via Althouse deals with far more than Climategate:
How obvious is the connection between your beliefs on tax policy and foreign policy?Another way of looking at this is that in our politics and society,
group association seems to give certain beliefs or policy positions a
mutual 'stickiness' even if they do not seem to be connected together
in any logical or consistent way, or any way that would make sense out
of the context of our culture and society. I see a lot of intellectual 'package deals'. A lot of 'if you believe in X, you also believe in Y' even if X and Y don't necessarily go together.
I think AGW is a good fit for the Leftist memetic package - it combines status-seeking ("look at meeee, I'm
aware!") with statism.
But what about, say, the Afghanistan/Iraq War? Leftists who love Big Government and all things Third World are hostile to nation-building in Afghanistan and Iraq. Conversely, Rightists who hate Big Government tend to be for the war which
William Saletan called "the one welfare program conservatives can't criticize or even recognize, because they're the ones running it."
Can someone explain that to me?
Ruth,
I have been reading your comments on this blog for years and always wished I could read your thoughts on another site. Now I can. Thank you for linking to your blog. I read all the posts on your front page and I look forward to exploring your archives.
Posted by: Amritas at December 01, 2009 05:26 PM (+nV09)
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Amritas -- I also really liked the asteroid comment when I read it today. Thanks for adding it to the post.
Posted by: Sarah at December 01, 2009 05:56 PM (gWUle)
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Amritas,
Oh no don't read my thoughts! Seriously, I got into my blog very slowly with just links, until I decided since I was posting comments at many other places why not put my thoughts on my site too. I guess I'm a slow learner.
Don't we love our Sarah, though?
Posted by: Ruth H at December 01, 2009 11:00 PM (JFseb)
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