BABY MAMA
Last night the husband and I watched the movie Baby Mama. We had thought about seeing it for a long time but we weren't sure if it would make us laugh or make us depressed. It turns out that it made me laugh until about the last ten minutes. Then I hated it, choked back tears, and wanted to strangle someone.
Spoiler alert: I am gonna talk about the end of this movie.
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A shite ending to be sure. Mark really likes saying what Stefani says when the natural birth proponent asks who is gonna use evil bad numbing drugs. Like if you were to ask him 'Do you want some chocolate milk?', he would give that as his answer.
Do you have any idea what I am talking about?! I cannot attempt to spell that. I can but I keep erasing it.
And I really hate the RELAX RELAX RELAX advice. Is there a person on the planet who hears that without their blood pressure rising?
Posted by: wifeunit at February 15, 2009 07:09 AM (t5K2U)
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Yeah, I thought the ending was cheap too. I thought it was good when she told Amy Pohler's character, "um, no, we probably won't ever see each other again", just before they went to the hospital. That was real. And then it went downhill from there...
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at February 15, 2009 07:50 AM (irIko)
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Dear Wifeunit, I know you hate the relax advice but study after study after study has proven that relaxation techniques improve your chances of conceiving.
The reality is that these techniques may not work for you and you may never have children. I guess you have to decide for yourself how you'll handle your future if that's the case.
Yes, people say a lot of stupid things to try to make you feel better. They are trying to offer hope. They are trying to express the fact that they love you and care about you and hurt for you because you are so unhappy that you don't have a child in your life.
The only thing I consistently hear from people who have infertility issues is that they don't want to hear about hope. So when someone brings it up now I just smile, wish them the best of luck and change the subject or gently remind them that sex, politics and religion don't make for polite dinner discussion.
Posted by: mare at February 15, 2009 08:06 AM (APbbU)
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I just love the movie "Raising Arizona." When you think about it, kidnapping a child is our favorite movie? Well, yes it is. It is such a touching movie.
As for relaxing, what can I say. Apparently it does work for some people. But who can say who that will be? It happened for neighbors of ours who had never even tried because they thought when they got married, 15 years before she would never be able to conceive. They just call it a miracle, I think it must have been. I have known of one case where a woman conceived after adoption and in that case she went on to have another child years later. There are so many different and combined reasons for infertility.
One good thing we do know about you , Sarah, is that you can conceive. It's not easy and it hasn't lasted but it has happened. That is your hope. And it is also a grief.
I didn't mean this to be so grim. Sorry.
Posted by: Ruth H at February 15, 2009 09:18 AM (4eLhB)
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I dunno.
I myself was the "miracle baby" that happened "just as my parents were about to adopt" ... and ended up being the first of five ...
I don't know, both kinds of stories need to be told, because both happen.
Some people get that kind of miracle, I guess; some don't. And I don't really know why. And I guess it must be really, really hard for the people who don't know how their story is going to end ... whether they will get the miracle baby, or not ...
the whole choose your own adventure thing again, where the choice isn't yours ...
for us, we haven't started trying yet ... I'm on the pill until I get out of school, but right after that we're going to start trying, and I have NO idea how easy or how hard it will be.
I don't know. But even if you don't want to hear about the possibility of a "happy ending," I still want to hope and believe for you.
Posted by: TW at February 15, 2009 10:54 AM (ZfS8j)
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Oh. And I haven't seen the movie, so I don't know if the miracle ending was really cheesed up and unrealistic even if that kind of thing does happen on occasion in real life.
Posted by: TW at February 15, 2009 10:56 AM (ZfS8j)
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TW -- I get it; my mother was that miracle baby too. (Her older brother is adopted.) What I object to is when people use those anecdotes as evidence that everything works out in the end. There are plenty of stories that don't have happy endings; it's just that no one tells those stories.
And yes, I am at the point where I don't know how my story ends. It looks bleak now, but perhaps it will all work out in the end. But I just hate when people assure me that I will have a happy ending. There is no reason to automatically conclude that.
Posted by: Sarah at February 15, 2009 11:04 AM (TWet1)
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Well that's not right, no one can assure you of anything in life. Personally I respond on a gut level more to empirical evidence and actuarial data. Perhaps science has tried to sell hope when they should not be in that business at all.
I'm just saying is that there are people out here hoping for you for a good outcome. I hope that you have a happy ending.
And that ending was a cop out but what do you expect from Hollywood. Though I do expect better from Tina Fey.
Posted by: Mare at February 15, 2009 12:16 PM (APbbU)
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And on another grim note - they are called miracles because they are so rare.
My personal opinion though is that any baby is a miracle and a blessing.
Posted by: Ruth H at February 15, 2009 02:36 PM (4u82p)
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In all honesty, I do know a couple, friends of my parents, who suffered through infertility, and never did have kids. They are wonderful people, and chose to do other things with their lives since they were never able to become parents.
But I also know a couple, my husband's aunt and uncle, who tried for 8 years before she quit her high-stress job and they took a long vacation, after which she found out she was pregnant with the first of their 3 children.
It happens differently for all sorts of different people. There is no normal, typical, expected solution for anybody. And I agree, every baby is a miracle - I only wish all the miracles happened to people like you who deserve them, and not to the crackheads and teenagers who don't.
Regardless, I will still keep praying for your little miracle to come along.
Posted by: Leofwende at February 15, 2009 05:28 PM (28CBm)
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My sister struggled with infertility and I said everything I shouldn't. I thought I was being helpful until she sat me down one day and told me to STFU and just listen. She said that me (fertility of a rabbit) saying those things just made it 1,000 times worse. Lesson learned here! So, while people that say that annoy you, they say it out of love. If you know them well enough, do what my sister did and tell them how it does NOT help you at all.
I then took myself to the library, found a book on infertility that had a chapter in it for those trying to support someone going through it. I read that chapter, my eyes were opened to the dumb things I was saying. I changed how I supported her and things were much better.
I am purposely leaving out my sister's "ending" because it may or may not be your ending.
Know that people are praying for your ending to be what you want it to be.
Posted by: Tracy S at February 15, 2009 07:13 PM (gNojb)
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Yeah, I hate it when people tell people with fertility issues that they simply need to relax and everything will happen for them. Seriously? Most of the time it's the people that have never been through it that are the ones saying relax. They've never been the ones sitting there wondering if they will ever get that chance to feel a baby move within them, will they ever get a chance to have that "moment" when they finally pee on that darn stick and see what they want to see. I'm still hoping for you...I will continue to do so on your behalf, so that on those days when you can't, someone out there will be hoping for you!
Posted by: Stacy at February 16, 2009 08:58 AM (d3Lw1)
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oh okay. I see.
Yeah, if they happened to everyone they wouldn't be miracles.
I guess people say those things because some people are happier when they can convince themselves that it is going to happen, in spite of the chance that it might not. Some people find comfort in that sort of blind optimism.
Posted by: TW at February 16, 2009 07:55 PM (ZfS8j)
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I think I mentioned that I already watched this as well. Doesn't that ending totally bite? But yet the first many points totally reminds me of your book preview in a way!
Posted by: Darla at February 17, 2009 02:29 PM (LP4DK)
SPENDING
You know that 1% retail gain in January? I think that was my husband and I. Since my husband is having two deployment years in a row, and since the stock market is in the toilet, there's no sense in hiding money in Roths or TSP. So we've been spending it like it's going out of style. My husband got a bunch of stuff that he needs for SERE and for the next deployment (He's an "operator" now, which apparently means he needs a bunch of stuff that the Army won't provide.) I decided to live in the now by doing two things I've wanted to do for a while: I bought an elliptical machine to make good on my promise to start exercising, and I bought a plane ticket to go visit CaliValleyGirl and finally meet her baby.
Spending is kinda fun; no wonder other people do it so often.
UPDATE:
I said to my husband, "Oh, I also should've put that we paid off our car." And he joked in a cartoonish announcer voice, "Freeing up capital for someone else!" Heh. We're doing what we can to help the ecominy.
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You and me both Sarah! I'm spending like there's no tomorrow.
Big screen tv last week. Next week? Living room furniture. Then....it's on to the next room.
Oh, and they ordered the company car and that arrives next week.
I'm thinkin' that 1% gain came our two homes! ;-)
Posted by: Tammi at February 14, 2009 06:28 AM (5c0T5)
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I still haven't bought the pistol She told me I could get when I made Staff Sergeant... Hmmm... You're inspirational.
Sig
Posted by: Sig at February 14, 2009 07:16 AM (fPHZv)
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Good for you! The elliptical machine sounds neat & I'd much rather have one at the house than at the Y b/c I rarely go visit the one at the Y!
Glad you're going visiting too! That's cool.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 14, 2009 10:31 AM (i0ZCx)
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That's basically what we said... there isn't a decent place to invest, so lets just spend it.
Replaced the only appliance that didn't die during deployment (range), and a few other things
Posted by: Susan at February 14, 2009 03:05 PM (Y8ZGj)
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Amen! Replace and stock up on stuff that doesn't depend on a paper dollar holding its worth, LOL - clothes, food, fixes, etc. Not a bad idea to save up some $ after that, either, though, just in case it's still worth something once Congress is done "helping"...
Hubby asked me what we should spend our "stimulus money" on if we get any, and I answered him with one word: "Ammunition." No sense in having the government steal other people's money if you don't make good use of it...
Posted by: kannie at February 16, 2009 10:59 AM (iT8dn)
DOING SOMETHING"
At least we're doing something. What a hollow statement. We don't have any idea if it will work, but at least we look like we care about the problem.
Seriously, everything coming out of DC these days sounds like it could've been dialogue from Atlas Shrugged.
And the Wesley Mouches of the world waste our money...
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This kind of stuff, seriously, makes me want to commit random acts of self-mutilation. Pencils in eyes, paperclips in ears, walking on hot coals...
WTH?!
They are hurrying this along b/c they know the recession (if they stop all the doom & gloom, apocalypse now talk) will begin to right itself in the very near future. It is government meddling that brought us to this point & it will certainly not be government meddling that rights the situation.
I feel a closer connection to those "crazy" colonists who left England behind & then fought for their freedom with every passing day.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 13, 2009 05:13 AM (N3nNT)
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Well, if they really want to be seen as just “doing something” no matter if it’s right or wrong, may I suggest mass suicide of all those who voted in favor of this crap.(Man, talk about record ratings for C-Span…) There's some Hope/Change I could get behind.
Posted by: tim at February 13, 2009 05:39 AM (nno0f)
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Mass suicide, Tim? How ironic. Who's more alive, you or us? Unlike you laissez-faire, lazy fat cat Republicans, we are aktive. We mesmerize the public with our dynamism! Why do you think they vote for us? They don't want boring old white males who look back to the lame capitalist past. No, they want the cOlOrful vanguard of the sOci@list future, confidently leaping into the abyss. So what if we take down the whole country with us? We'll rise again. We are rich. We are smart. We are rich because we're smart. Let the dumb, bitter God-'n'-gun-clingers sink to the bottom where they belong. They don't deserve to be ikwo. Nothing for them means more pork* for us!
*Vegan halal pseudopork, of course.
Posted by: kevin at February 13, 2009 06:37 AM (+nV09)
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Rambling, cryptically, nonsensical bullsh*t. Perfect, just like the reasoning and justification for the bill.
Hope/Change? Naw, furget dat, it be Dope/Range...all ready on the right, all ready on the left...bullseye! Right between your freakin' eyes.
Posted by: tim at February 13, 2009 10:00 AM (nno0f)
STRESSED
Yes, the timestamp on this entry is correct. I've developed a terrible new habit: I wake up every night around 4 AM to fret. I have been awake for an hour now, so stressed out that I don't know whether to cry or throw up.
My husband leaves for SERE school on Monday. A few days later, I will find out whether I am pregnant. If I am, I won't be able to tell him for two and a half weeks. But the more likely scenario, obviously, is that I am not, in which case I will have to do the next fertility round by myself a day or two before he gets home. Thus, I will have to pick up my husband from SERE and drive him straight home for babymaking. The thought of forcing the situation the day he finishes being beaten and starved makes me sick to my stomach...but so does the thought of skipping a cycle when we have precious few left.
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Of course the thought of babymaking may help your husband get through SERE school.
My ‘glass half full’ ‘not in your shoes’ two cents.
Good luckÂ…to both of you.
Posted by: tim at February 13, 2009 04:01 AM (nno0f)
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Well, if he's been beaten and starved, might I suggest you begin the evening with a lovely meal of some his favorites, followed by a hot shower & massage THEN get to the business (whether for babymaking or not)? Of course, if I were in your shoes, I'd do the biznasty first and follow-up with the other two because Brian would be ASLEEP at the end of the massage. LOL
Maybe the next time you're awake at 4:00, you can make a mental list of all the things you need to shop for? Or, just call me & we can chat it up.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 13, 2009 05:10 AM (N3nNT)
YES, IT DOES SUCK
I am going to do short book reviews on everything I read this year during The George Bush 2009 Reading Challenge, but I couldn't wait to discuss this one. I read the book Infertility Sucks, and it is hilarious. Even though I haven't had to do IVF (yet), I could relate to everything in this book. And I have to quote you my favorite part:
Mr. and Mrs. Lifesabich, this is obviously not working out for you. Have you tried prenatal vitamins, valerian root, baby aspirin, changing doctors, standing on your head after sex, standing on your head during sex, exercising, not exercising, praying, having sex on Friday nights, trying a doctor in New York, trying a doctor in Colorado, increasing your medication doses and wearing boxer shorts?
Good, very good. Keep up the good work. Stay optimistic. Keep communicating with each other. Keep up on the latest research. Get to the pharmacy on time. Make sure your health insurance is up to date. Don't miss any doctor's appointments, even on the weekends. Make sure you've had all the necessary tests. Try not to miss too much work; you need to save up those parental leave days, just in case. And above all, don't forget to relax. That's very important.
Ha!
And in googling for the book link, I came across a funny list of what not to say. I was just thinking about this yesterday when I remembered that I forgot to mention someone on my post of people I'm grateful to have in my infertile life. A girl I know here in town went through fertility treatments unsuccessfully a few years ago. She always asks how I'm doing and listens to me talk, and she never comments. Nothing optimistic, nothing pessimistic. She just says, "I know, girl, I know." Once she explained that she purposely doesn't say anything because she hated every single thing that every other person said to her during the process. So she just says nothing. I respect and appreciate that.
There's some decent advice in the comments on this blog post for what to say if you have a friend who's struggling to have a baby. But I recommend buying this book! As long as your friend is a little irreverent, she will love this book.
And I thank my dear friend for recommending it to me.
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LOL! Too funny. I agree - the single most helpful thing to hear is, "I know." And for those who can't say that, PLEASE don't feel bad about that, either - "Sorry" or "I'm here for ya" is perfect. :-) IMHO.
Posted by: kannie at February 12, 2009 12:20 PM (iT8dn)
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Lol. Even though we finally did get lucky, trying for more than a year got us through at least half (if not more) of that "have you tried X?" list.
Posted by: Leofwende at February 12, 2009 01:56 PM (28CBm)
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So glad you enjoyed it. Let the irreverent t-shirts begin. Many hugs now and always. xoxoxoxo
Posted by: Lane at February 12, 2009 02:02 PM (OviHe)
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"I'm here for ya" is the best I can do. "Sorry" makes it sound like it's my fault (though we know it's not) and I don't know and never will know what it's like.
That Infertility Sucks excerpt matches what I imagined the book to be like.
The Not Guilty blog post sickened and amused me at the same time. I know people don't think before they talk, but simply reading example after example gets annoying quickly, and I never had to endure someone saying such rubbish to me with a straight face. The comebacks were hilarious. My favorite line is the final one:
Infertility sucks for the infertile people; it doesn't have to make you suck too.
Posted by: Amritas at February 12, 2009 02:08 PM (Wxe3L)
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I may not know, but I do care. Enough to try to avoid saying stupid nonsense. Please forgive me when I do.
Posted by: Amritas at February 12, 2009 02:14 PM (Wxe3L)
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Amritas - I don't use a simple "sorry," either, actually... I was too brief in my choice of words here, but normally, I use "sorry to hear that..." instead. (I have the same objection to "simple sorry," LOL...)
Also, while I can't speak for anyone else who's struggled with this, I would HATE for someone with caring, honest intentions to have their words picked apart and be made to feel bad about a) their situation or b) whatever they try to say.
We all have different challenges, and care is always appropriate. :-)
Posted by: kannie at February 13, 2009 10:59 AM (iT8dn)
[French Defense Minister] Morin has repeatedly said there are no plans to add to France's 2,800 soldiers [in Afghanistan], which make it the fourth-largest contributor to the operation after the United States, Britain and Germany.
"France's effort counts for more than just the number of men on the ground, first of all because they are better than the others," Morin said at a joint news conference with Petraeus after their meeting.
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Spoken like a true 'murrican. The Frankistanis are meilleurrrr, and you know it!
Wait, what are the greatest of Eurabians doing assisting the oppression of the enlightened Taliban!?
My head hurts! Time to brainwash more kids, I mean, teach a class.
Posted by: kevin at February 11, 2009 11:40 AM (+nV09)
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If Morin is saying that quality of the average French soldier is higher than the quality of the others, this may be a testable claim. I wonder if Morin has any evidence for it.
And I wonder what Petraeus was thinking when he heard that.
Posted by: Amritas at February 11, 2009 11:50 AM (+nV09)
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"this may be a testable claim."
Yea, it's called World War II.
Posted by: tim at February 12, 2009 03:43 AM (nno0f)
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Tim, I don't think I could say that to a member of the French Resistance, even if I were mumbling with my eyes to the ground.
I don't know anything about the French forces in Afghanistan. So I think it's possible that we're getting the crème de la crème. But is it probable? My guess is that Morin was just thoughtlessly boasting, though I really have no idea.
Posted by: Amritas at February 12, 2009 02:43 PM (Wxe3L)
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All I know is that when the unit of the 101st that I was with confronted hostiles, the company of French Marines guarding our right flank broke ranks and ran. Not one word to us, not a warning. They just ran away. Later, they actually tried to pass it off as a joke. I will never forgive them and believe them cowards for the rest of my years.
Posted by: R1 at February 13, 2009 10:20 PM (p3fh8)
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Oh, and the French CG ordered us to stand our ground and hold. We did. When we asked about the French Marines returning to guard our flanks, he only shrugged.
Posted by: R1 at February 13, 2009 10:23 PM (p3fh8)
PAIN IN THE NECK GUESTS
As I was working today, I thought back to another quote from that Wal-Mart article that resonated with me:
As I patrolled the aisles, repositioning misplaced items and filling gaps in the shelves, I realized that Wal-Mart "guests" really are like guests. They are visitors who move things around and create a mess before they go home. Cleaning up after them was not very different from doing housework.
I've never been one to shove items where they don't belong, but now that it's my job to un-shove, I am even more diligent about it while shopping at other stores. I make sure to take unwanted items right back where I found them.
I spend a lot of my time putting stuff where it belongs. It never ceases to amaze me that I can almost hear a shopper's inner monologue: "I want to buy this purple yarn...(walks around the corner)...No, wait, I want this purple yarn...I'll just shove the three balls of other purple here, whatever." I am constantly pulling purple out of green and green out of orange, all day long. And taking cake decorating and beading supplies back to their own parts of the store.
It's ridiculous how many people just drop stuff wherever they are in the store.
Oh, and also how I spent two hours of my Christmas Eve making a pirate ship that was manhandled and destroyed within days of putting it on the shelf.
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PAIN IN THE NECK GUESTS
As I was working today, I thought back to another quote from that Wal-Mart article that resonated with me:
As I patrolled the aisles, repositioning misplaced items and filling gaps in the shelves, I realized that Wal-Mart "guests" really are like guests. They are visitors who move things around and create a mess before they go home. Cleaning up after them was not very different from doing housework.
I've never been one to shove items where they don't belong, but now that it's my job to un-shove, I am even more diligent about it while shopping at other stores. I make sure to take unwanted items right back where I found them.
I spend a lot of my time putting stuff where it belongs. It never ceases to amaze me that I can almost hear a shopper's inner monologue: "I want to buy this purple yarn...(walks around the corner)...No, wait, I want this purple yarn...I'll just shove the three balls of other purple here, whatever." I am constantly pulling purple out of green and green out of orange, all day long. And taking cake decorating and beading supplies back to their own parts of the store.
It's ridiculous how many people just drop stuff wherever they are in the store.
Oh, and also how I spent two hours of my Christmas Eve making a pirate ship that was manhandled and destroyed within days of putting it on the shelf.
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I think there should be some sort of cart at stores where people can put back stuff they are either too lazy to put back themselves, or just can't remember, just like the cart at the library, where they basically plead with you not to put the book back yourself, because they are afraid you will do it wrong and it will be lost forever until they do some general inventory. I think that would save a lot of time for stores, and appeal to customers' sense of entitlement that they don't have to put things back, because that is a part of customer service.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at February 09, 2009 12:59 PM (irIko)
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That's a great idea, CVG! It would have saved Sarah a lot of time today.
Too bad it doesn't work 100% for libraries. Out of hundreds of books that I borrowed from the University of Hawaii library over a decade, only one was lost forever after I returned it.
Like Sarah, "I make sure to take unwanted items right back where I found them." And I think long and hard about buying something so they're not unwanted (and end up far from their original aisle).
I'm sorry about the ship's sad fate. Poor foamie. I had assumed the display models were under glass.
Posted by: Amritas at February 09, 2009 02:05 PM (Wxe3L)
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Heh. I worked at a Michael's during graduate school. Incredibly, the messiest were the "fine art" people. Expensive oil paints with lids off and laid anywhere in the aisle or elsewhere, for example. But yeah, the whole store was just a big playground for misplaced items.
I had an incredibly dense and power-tripping manager with no concept of incentives. The reward for those of us who did our "housekeeping" on our own departments quickly at the end of the night was ... to be commanded to help the slowpokes. Ugh.
Posted by: Anwyn at February 10, 2009 06:18 AM (dzxw9)
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Anwyn -- I am lucky that my managers are both cool. One thing I've noticed is that they always say "Bye! Thank you!" at the end of my shift. I chuckle every time they thank me for working, but it fosters a good environment. I feel appreciated.
Posted by: Sarah at February 10, 2009 06:26 AM (TWet1)
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I think that is what is considered, in some form, job security. They need 'somebody' to straighten it up. Atleast, that is how I dealt with when I worked retail. If customers were clean, could answer their own questions, find what they were looking for, why would the store pay me? That is how I dealt with the slobs.
Posted by: rayanne at February 10, 2009 03:25 PM (l/CzG)
Interesting article about working at Wal-Mart. And this paragraph:
[An employee] was invited to corporate HQ as a guest at a management conference. "It was totally different from what I expected," he told us. "I thought it would be these fatcats talking about money, but no one even mentioned money. All they cared about was finding new ways to satisfy customers. I met everyone including the chairman of the company."
reminded me of this quote from the movie Sabrina, which I blogged about some months ago:
What's money got to do with it? If making money were all there was to business, it'd hardly be worthwhile going to the office. Money is a by-product.
And this thought bears repeating:
To my mind, the real scandal is not that a large corporation doesn't pay people more. The scandal is that so many people have so little economic value. Despite (or because of) a free public school system, millions of teenagers enter the work force without marketable skills.
David Foster wanted to post a comment, but neither of us can figure out why it's getting rejected. So I'm just gonna stick it here:
I agree that there should be more emphasis on vocational education...but we need to be realistic that as things are, people without college degrees may do very well for a while but are eventually likely to see their progress halted by lack of the piece of paper. For instance, someone might learn to operate and program CNC machine tools and make a very good living doing so. He might even be promoted to department foreman. BUT, when it comes time to pick a new plant General Manager, the job will almost certainly go to someone with a college degree.
The education cartel exercises such a dominant influence on our society that it is hard to see how we can ever force it to relax its grip.
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Bingo. Job skills, and the market for job skills. Wal-mart does well for their people. The ones who are capable of moving upward do. Those that aren't? They are the ones that you see behind the check out counter.
Posted by: Tibby at February 09, 2009 05:57 AM (S/Fac)
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Tibby,
I wouldn't write off "the ones that you see behind the check out counter" as being incapable of moving upward. Some are just starting out, and perhaps others don't want to move upward.
Platt wrote,
This is why teenagers fresh out of high school often go to vocational training institutes to become auto mechanics or electricians.
Not often enough. The everyone-must-go-to-college mentality must end. Now. Even a university degree doesn't necessarily teach marketable skills. And as the supply of degrees goes up, their value goes down.
Posted by: Amritas at February 09, 2009 06:30 AM (+nV09)
Posted by: David Boxenhorn at February 09, 2009 06:48 AM (YRJ7N)
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If everyone who thinks every child should go to college knew how many of the first years (I do mean years) in college are spent on remedial courses they would be appalled. Technical schools should just be a part of the high school program. Dumbing down didn't just start this century, we have teachers who were not taught, we are compounding the problem in so many ways. Don't get me started!
Posted by: Ruth H at February 09, 2009 07:59 AM (BkiKe)
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Here's an example of the mentality I was referring to:
We believe that all students should graduate from high school prepared to succeed in college, career, and life.
- Bill and Melinda Gates (emphasis mine)
Yes, prepared ... to take lots of remedial courses (as Ruth H pointed out) and be in lots of debt ... all for a sacred scrap of paper. Hooray!
In today's self-esteem society, some college graduates think they deserve 'better' than Wal-Mart. Maybe they don't even deserve to work at Wal-Mart.
Posted by: Amritas at February 09, 2009 09:07 AM (+nV09)
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Sorry, the quote should be attributed to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
Posted by: Amritas at February 09, 2009 10:06 AM (+nV09)
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In the years I taught, I met plenty of kids who had no business being in college. They did not know what they wanted or, worse, many knew what they wanted & could have easily started doing it without sitting in school for four years & putting themselves in debt.
There are many who have the desire, but not the ability to succeed in college. Others have all the ability in the world, but like the fire to challenge themselves. I don't worry so much about the first group b/c desire is a wonderful motivator. The second group? They are the ones, I assume, who would like for the taxpayers to care from them from cradle to grave.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 09, 2009 12:03 PM (/nzFP)
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I, obviously, meant to type 'lack the fire' rather than like. Sheesh.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 09, 2009 12:04 PM (/nzFP)
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I realize I'm a little late to this party, but...
I lived in NW AR for 8.5 years. For those of you not aware, this is where Wal-Mart got its start, and is where the home office is still located. My best friend's husband, a fairly smart, but not book-learned, man, started out as a store associate in one of the local retail stores. He eventually got a job in the home office, working in the department that does store layouts. He's never gone to college, but, to a certain extent, at least, Wal-Mart doesn't care, if you can do the job and prove yourself to be a dependable employee. There are things I don't like about Wal-Mart (I've been told the corporate/management culture has changed drastically since Sam died, and that he wouldn't be happy...), but someone without the means to go to college can still work their way up the ladder there.
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at February 11, 2009 09:22 PM (paOhf)
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That's a great story, Miss Ladybug. Thanks for sharing. The party never ends in the gulch!
It's sad when a company loses its founder's vision.
Are there companies that flounder at the start, but acquire a real vision (not just hype) under new management who maximize initially neglected potential? Surely they exist, though I can't think of any examples offhand.
Posted by: Amritas at February 12, 2009 06:59 AM (+nV09)
A SAFE ZONE
I didn't see Jay Nordlinger's My Kingdom For a Safe Zone when it came out, but I just saw that Varifrank linked to it. The stories are all too familiar, but the very last one is just abominable.
My personal philosophy is to always assume that I'm surrounded by Democrats. I never assume that someone agrees with me until I have it 100% confirmed, on his initiative. And even then, I am quite reluctant to go the full nine yards.
Only once have I heard a conservative make me uncomfortable in public like this. I was at my knitting group and a woman stopped by to see what we were doing. We told her we knit for preemies, and she remarked that she couldn't believe how tiny the little caps are. And then she said, "These babies can be born so small and still survive, and that's why I am pro-life." She continued talking for several seconds about abortion, and my eyes were like saucers. I am screaming in my head, "What are you doing, lady? Why do you assume that people want to have this conversation in the middle of a yarn store? Don't you realize you're being confrontational and controversial?" I found it horrifying, in the exact same way as when random tourists on the Vegas monorail blab on about Bush.
Despite the fact that I was sitting with a group of elderly women who knit for charity, I have never assumed that they are conservative or pro-life. I always assume that they disagree with me and that I should keep my mouth shut.
Sadly, these clods Nordlinger's readers wrote about haven't gotten the hint.
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Isn't it amazing that we were supposedly living in a repressive Bushaitanic police state until the inauguratiOn, and yet you felt the need to keep your mouth shut even though you were on the side of the eeeevil regime?
I'm keeping my mouth shut, no matter who's in office.
Very frankly, I'd rather be raised by wolves than by humans.
What is with this need to show off one's beliefs at every conceivable moment? "Look at me! I am gOOd!" The endless craving for approval is embarrassing. It shows that these people need to be validated by others. To be alone, to be unapproved - that is their worst nightmare. They must keep up with the latest definition of cOrrectness. They are creatures of fashion. Is that what humans are? Shouldn't our species be something more?
Posted by: Amritas at February 07, 2009 03:11 PM (Wxe3L)
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Honestly, I have a hard time keeping *all* of my thoughts to myself unless it's a completely inappropriate time. It's just part of who I am; so much of what I do is motivated by deeper feelings and reasons, that it's all just integrated as one natural whole of my life at this point. The reasons that I pipe up are 1) because I feel that it's necessary to stand up and be counted, one way or another - I hold myself responsible for tacit consent; and 2) the truth matters - whether it's popular or not, it needs to be heard.
(The feeling that I'm sufficiently skilled to *articulate* the truth as I understand it, OTOH... is that narcissism, or just duty-bound confidence? Well, whichever, it's necessary for blogging, at least, right? ;-)
However, there are ways to express opinions that are less offensive (or even inoffensive to reasonable people); and I think *tact* is in short supply in society. People can disagree and still be respectful and/or civil. (No sophomoric jokes about the President's daughters, for example.) And if you never pipe up when you could be in the minority and have something to offer, (cowed by political correctness or just plain old fear), the majority remains ignorant; and in some cases, *dut-dada-DAH* Stupid Things can happen.
That said, I would NEVER bring that sort of thing up while functioning in an official capacity at an event whose (? "which's?") purpose is not specifically politically-geared or tailored to that particular audience. It would be irrelevant *at best*. (That "classless society" quip was priceless, BTW.) Fluid, interpersonal dynamics are one thing; formal environments and ceremonies are quite another.
Posted by: kannie at February 07, 2009 09:47 PM (iT8dn)
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I do the same thing except the other way around, of course. No dems in Texas really. I was at a party a few weeks ago and my dad and husband both called me out at dinner to a bunch of conservatives. No big deal if they're friends right? Well, two of them I know for sure will neither ignore my dem-ness nor discuss things without argument or acustion or getting angry. And of course they started to ask questions, I politely diverted the answers elsewhere but they still got mad. I was so embarassed that that problem had to come up. My dad and husband later apologized for putting me on the spot like that.
I'm very good with guaging whether a person will talk politics with me but most of the time I feel such conversations go no where good. Even with people who agree with me, sometimes!
Posted by: Sara at February 08, 2009 05:21 AM (BmNMZ)
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Usually I am the same; I just keep my mouth shut in general. But a couple of weeks ago walking to the bus after a long, frustrating day at work, after the third Greenpeace guy shoved a clipboard in my face and wouldn't leave me alone, I finally exploded with "No! I'm an 'evil conservative'; leave me alone!", and it worked. He looked surprised, and actually backed off.
I have to admit that it felt good. I smiled to myself for a while on the bus ride home that day.
Posted by: Leofwende at February 09, 2009 06:56 AM (jAos7)
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Leofwende, I'd have done the exact same thing if I were you. There is a proper time for outbursts. You were defending yourself against aggression in an explictly political situation. That's a rare circumstance for me. At work I never hold back when it comes to work-related matters. But politics? Religion? Not relevant and not worth fighting over as long as I'm in the office.
Posted by: Amritas at February 09, 2009 07:40 AM (+nV09)
LIKE A WHALE BIOLOGIST
Tom Coburn was on fire this week:
We are going to spend $448 million to build the Department of Homeland Security a new building. We have $1.3 trillion worth of empty buildings right now, and because it has been blocked in Congress we can't sell them, we can't raze them, we can't do anything, but we are going to spend money on a new building here in Washington. We are going to spend another $248 million for new furniture for that building; a quarter of a billion dollars for new furniture. What about the furniture the Department of Homeland Security has now? These are tough times. Should we be buying new furniture? How about using what we have? That is what a family would do. They would use what they have. They wouldn't go out and spend $248 million on furniture.
He rants about all the stupid crap that's in the stimulus bill. Another little funny line:
We have $75 million for smoking cessation activities, which probably is a great idea, but we just passed a bill—the SCHIP bill—that we need to get 21 million more Americans smoking to be able to pay for that bill. That doesn't make sense.
Seriously, read the whole thing. And feel your head explode.
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Do I have to read the entire article to find out what the significance of the title is? Because unless whale biologists are known for spontaneous human combustion, I can't figure it out... =)
Sig
Posted by: Sig at February 06, 2009 09:39 AM (fPHZv)
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Ha, sorry, that was a very esoteric Futurama joke. In one episode, this guy says, "I calls 'em like I sees 'em; I'm a whale biologist."
Posted by: Sarah at February 06, 2009 11:27 AM (TWet1)
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The Seinfeld episode "The Marine Biologist" episode came to my mind. But I think Coburn knows more about the "stimulus" than George Costanza knows about marine biology:
Then of course with evolution the octopus lost the nostrils and took on the more familiar look that we know today. But if you look really closely, you can still see a bump where the nose used to be.
Posted by: Amritas at February 06, 2009 12:10 PM (+nV09)
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My grandparents suffered through the depression farming and raising children. She said the motto of the time was "Use it up, wear it out, make it do. or do without." She even taught that to her grand and great grand children. I think these yahoos in DC could take a lesson from my grandmother.
Posted by: Pamela at February 06, 2009 08:00 PM (JkfCo)
BOGGING DOWN THE SYSTEM
I grew up in a state that didn't require vehicle inspections. This is a new and highly annoying process for me. I just sat for an hour and a half so they could tell me that my three year old car isn't a safety or environmental hazard. What a surprise. And I got to pay $30 for the pleasure...and I go back on Monday with our other car.
All that waiting was giving me flashbacks to the emergency room last Friday. There was one story I haven't yet told from that night.
I decided to go to the emergency room because it was a Friday night. If it had been any other day of the week, I would've waited it out and called the next day for advice. But since I already had the procedure booked and needed to know if I should continue with the meds or stop, and since I know someone who nearly died from Clomid complications, I decided to play it safe.
It's darn near impossible not to eavesdrop on other people in the emergency room. All that separates you is a curtain, so all night long my husband and I were also privy to the medical business of the patient next to us. I am not going to reveal any details, but their presence was baffling and a tad infuriating.
The gist is that the daughter had a chronic problem that had been happening for months. The parents were separated and the mother was "too lazy" to make the kid an appointment. The dad said that he works here in the hospital and had asked colleagues about his daughter's problem, but since it persisted, they wanted to have it checked out.
On a Friday night. In the ER.
There was no emergency, no sudden change in her condition that made them feel that treatment was necessary, nothing like that. This dad just brought his three kids in to spend the night in the ER. My husband and I were there for eight hours, until 5 AM, and this family had arrived before us and was still there when we left.
That is not an emergency.
This family was clogging up the ER and making me and, more importantly, other people with more pressing problems wait longer. They were sapping resources. If you work in the hospital, can't you find the time to make an appointment for your daughter? Why are you taking care of a child's chronic health problem in the middle of the night on a Friday?
Because you don't have to pay anything either way, that's why.
Why make a regular doctor's appointment during the week, and have to ask for time off work and take the kid out of school, when you could just bring everyone to camp out in the ER all night. There is no cost difference, so it's just easier to do it off hours.
No wonder it took me so long to be seen. And I feel even worse for the guy with the gall stones; he really would've liked to have been treated faster.
I am sure that this family isn't the only one of its kind. They bog down the system for all of us. A problem that's been going on for three months is not something that requires ER care on a weekend. Make a normal appointment and free up that ER doctor for someone who really needs him.
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Just wait, it'll get better once itÂ’s all nationalized.
Posted by: tim at February 06, 2009 07:20 AM (nno0f)
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The ONLY way I could give this dad a break is if he doesn't have custody of the kids & only had them on a weekend. Of course, urgent care would be better & the ER is not meant for these kind of things & it makes it harder for everyone else to be seen when folks like that are taking up a bed...I think it's dumb what he did, but I could see him being an either/or, all or nothing kind of thinker & just taking her where he knows people not thinking to the next step that this is the EMERGENCY room.
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 06, 2009 08:44 AM (N3nNT)
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At least you weren't 'shaken' (車検
up ... Japanese-style:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_(Japan)
Before a test can be administered on a vehicle the owner of the vehicle must call up a shaken [Japanese official car inspection] center and make an appointment by phone after which the owner must fill out paperwork at the center. The cost for the shaken is broken up as follows: 1,400 yen for paperwork and processing, 25,200 yen for the testing, 29,780 yen for 24 months of validity and 8,090 yen for the "Recycling Department" with fees being added depending on the vehicle and its intended use (business, personal, commercial, etc.). These variables can result in a shaken costing from 100,000 to 150,000 yen or more.
That's equivalent to US$1,100-$1,600 per car!
Posted by: Amritas at February 06, 2009 11:01 AM (+nV09)
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tim, slowly you are becoming a gOOd persyn. Healthkare will get better. You are beginning to see the benefits of a tOtal cOntrOl ecOnOmy. Once gOsplan takes over, everything will be fairly allOcated: wagyu steak for us, Soylent Green for you.
Guard Wife, there is a simpler explanation. The androppressor was a member of the nOmenklatura:
The nomenklatura were a small, elite subset of the general population in the Soviet Union and other Eastern Bloc countries who held various key administrative positions in all spheres of those countries' activity: government, industry, agriculture, education, etc. The nomenklatura was analogous to the ruling class, which Communist doctrine denounced in the capitalist West.Without exception, they were members of the Communist Party.
An Officer of the peOple always takes precedence. This is the true equality of sOci@lism.
Never give the state control over your life, because they won’t “take care of you” - they will make a token effort and leave you up the creek when it suits them.
- James Hudnall
Posted by: kevin at February 06, 2009 11:25 AM (+nV09)
5Never give the state control over your life, because they won’t “take care of you” - they will make a token effort and leave you up the creek when it suits them
הוו זהירין ברשות, שאין מקרבין לו לאדם אלא לצורך עצמן: נראין כאוהבין בשעת הנאתן, ואין עומדין לו לאדם בשעת דוחקו
אבות ב,ג
Be wary of the government, for they don't relate to anyone unless it is in their own interest: They appear to like [one] when they benefit from it, and they don't stand by him in the hour of his need.
Avot 2:3
Posted by: David Boxenhorn at February 07, 2009 07:17 AM (/8I3y)
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My sister is an RN in an ER. The stories she tells
(and has told for years) make you realize that a
significant portion of our population don't have
a whole lot of common d@mned sense.
Posted by: MaryIndiana at February 10, 2009 03:20 AM (alEvL)
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I think anyone can appreciate the photo, no matter how they feel about Obama.
I was disappointed to see that the popsci comments turned into a political debate, though I shouldn't have been surprised.
Posted by: Amritas at February 05, 2009 12:08 PM (+nV09)
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What is this? An inauguration for ants? (Sorry...Zoolander reference, for the uninitiated.)
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at February 05, 2009 12:47 PM (irIko)
I UNQUIT MY JOB
I was joking with Amritas and David the other day that I have found the secret to workplace productivity: Hire people who don't need the money and then tell them that they can go home when they finish all their work.
My managers wanted me to stay on at the store so badly that they offered me whatever I want...except money. I said I would stay on if I could work one day a week and only do things that are fun. Amazingly, they agreed.
There were some parts of my job that I really liked, like organizing the yarn section. I love doing that; I would do it for free. I like to see how quickly I can do it. On Monday, I shelved all the new yarn in 24 minutes. I was sweating and puffing by the end.
And, absurdly enough, I have grown fond of making those foam houses. Now that I have several of them under my belt, I automatically know what will and won't work, and I just glue-gun the hell out of it and go to town. (I made an Easter castle today, and I was just thrilled that it didn't have any butterflies on it. They are the worst.)
So I am staying on to work one day a week, sorting yarn and doing crafts. And I go home when I'm done with my tasks. I'm cool with that.
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LOL!!! What a negotiator! :-) And I can totally relate to the yarn-stocking fun - I stocked hospital carts for surgery rooms one summer, and it was WONDERFUL! :-) Congrats on getting your job, your way! :-)
Posted by: kannie at February 05, 2009 09:13 AM (iT8dn)
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Congratulations!
"Unquit" ... now that's a word you don't hear every day. And your story's pretty unusual too.
It is refreshing to see someone with a positive attitude toward work without being a patsy. I doubt everyone gets your kind of deal. You've earned your managers' respect, and it's no wonder they wanted you to stay.
The Two-Gun Girl is back in town! Glue gun in one hand, real gun in the other. Not that she ever left ...
Posted by: Amritas at February 05, 2009 09:21 AM (+nV09)
Posted by: FbL at February 05, 2009 11:07 AM (HwqvF)
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Why when I read that the jingle "Price-line Neeee-go-ti-a-tor!" came into my head. It should now be "Mich-ael's Neee-go-ti-a-tor!"
Way to go on that. Now if only I could adapt those skills to my job. It's a slow week and instead of surfing the net I could use my free time to catch up on my recorded Lost episodes
Posted by: BigD78 at February 05, 2009 11:21 AM (W3XUk)
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I quit a part time job at a bookstore years ago. The owners liked me so well they tried to entice me back with a part interest in the store. I declined, owning a bookstore would be a full time, 24hour headache, and it was just before the big box bookstores moved in.
Good managers noticed your talent. Good on you!
Posted by: Ruth H at February 05, 2009 02:20 PM (hBAQy)
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I came here specifically this moment to see if you had posted the reasoning. I had guessed 'free yarn' which isn't true, but I KNEW it had to have something to do with the yarn. LOL
Good for you.
I will remember this negotiation tactic if I'm offered a job in the next couple weeks..."I see your job offer and will accept on two conditions: I only have to show my face around here once a week and when I do, I only do FUN stuff." LOL
Posted by: Guard Wife at February 06, 2009 08:40 AM (N3nNT)
General Tom McInerney, Fox News Military Analyst: Is there a solution to this problem?
Khaled Abu Toameh: You Americans are always asking us that. Why are Americans always asking me if there is a solution? A solution to what?
Michael J. Totten: The whole thing.
Khaled Abu Toameh: What is the whole thing?
Anthony Cordesman: Is there anything useful that could be done this year?
Khaled Abu Toameh: Listen. Look. We must stop dreaming about the New Middle East and coexistence and harmony and turning this area into Hong Kong and Singapore. If anyone thinks a Palestinian will wake up in the morning and sing the Israeli national anthem, that's not going to happen. If anyone thinks an Israeli Jew will go back to doing his shopping in downtown Ramallah or to see his dentist in Bethlehem or eat fish in Gaza City, that's not going to happen. There has been a total divorce between Jews and Palestinians. We don't want to see each other.
I think that's good. Separation is good. Separation doesn't need harmony and coexistence. Forget about that. That's not going to happen. Let's focus on managing the conflict. Instead of talking about real peace, let's first of all try to stop the violence, reduce the level of bloodshed, and maybe that will pave the way for future peace. The only solution now is total separation between these two communities. Israel should not be involved in the internal affairs of the Palestinians, but at the same time Israel has the right to look after its own security. They should disengage from the Palestinians completely and tell them, “Listen, folks. Don't mess around with us anymore. We're going to strike back if you fire rockets at us. And if you want to have Hamas, Fatah, or whomever, go and do it over there without our help.” That's the only way. I don't see a real peace emerging over here. We should stop talking about it.
The whole thing is definitely worth reading. And it reminds me that the husband and I were talking about donating money to Totten a while back...gotta do that.
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You chose what I consider to be the key excerpt. You know that I am in favor of separationism, but on a far greater scale. I gave up the New Middle East dream four years ago.
Washington asked, "Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?"
Substitute "the world" for "Europe."
What do I want to tell jihadists? Basically what Khaled Abu Toameh thinks Israel should say: "Don't mess around with us anymore. We're going to strike back ... And if you want to have Hamas, Fatah, or whomever, go and do it over there without our help."
Note the last three words. "Without our help." Why should I fund Fatah?
Posted by: Amritas at February 05, 2009 10:27 AM (+nV09)
We should be suspicious when politicians, economists and the media declare a "consensus" and marginalize dissent. President Obama says, "There is no disagreement that we need action by our government, a recovery plan that will help to jumpstart the economy."
That's not true. Last week, the Cato Institute ran a full-page newspaper ad signed by more than 200 economists, including Nobel laureates stating:
"We the undersigned do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's 'lost decade' in the 1990s ... Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth."
Doesn't that sound remarkably like global warming? There's no debate, everyone agrees, blahdy blah, and meanwhile the peanut gallery is saying that actually they don't agree.
My father is fond of saying, "Don't cloud up the issue with the facts." How fitting.
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My dad says something similar: "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind's already made up!"
The next person who whines to me about how the Republicans are being selfish for voting against big spending bills is gonna get it. Maybe I'll ask them for 90% of their money (even if it's $5). Then, when they don't give it to me, I'll tell them they're selfish, because they're not stimulating my economy. If they spend that $5 on me, they'll get richer! That's how it works, right?
By the way, Sarah, did you listen to Glenn Beck's show yesterday morning, or watch it in the evening? Did you hear/see him play the Al Gore speech, or talk about Pelosi's 500 million lost jobs? HI-LARIOUS. Link to the Gore speech (in case you didn't hear it), and Link to "Nancy Pelosi is an Idiot". Hee.
Posted by: Deltasierra at February 05, 2009 05:27 AM (fPHZv)
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Pelosi also appears to have been under the belief that natural gas is not a fossil fuel. I'd guess her "reasoning" process went something like this:
--fossil fuels bad
--natural gas good
--therefore, natural gas is not a fossil fuel
Posted by: david foster at February 05, 2009 06:03 AM (ke+yX)
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B-but david, anything "natural" must be gOOd! The "natural" sticker on my SUV exonerates it!
Sarah, "facts" are a Europpressive invention, a white cloud that mars the dark beauty of the imaginatiOn, the dreams of Our father, the audacity of hOpe.
The Cato Institute's 200 "economists" probably all got degrees from the University of Phoenix. A for-profit institution, of course. The greedy pay each other to reinforce their delusions. When will they ever realize that the money tree is real?
Deltasierra, I would ask for 100% of everybody's money. I know best how to spend it. I am a professor. I am smart. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," said Marx. My ego has needs. Appease it. Do your duty.
Posted by: kevin at February 05, 2009 06:46 AM (+nV09)
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This is yet another example of the sociocentric worldview I dealt with in this comment. "Consensus" is meaningless by itself. Facts are independent of people. If X is false, and everyone believes X, does that make X "true"? Reality is not determined by majority vote.
Nor is it determined by minority vote. A conspiracy theory gets no points for being embraced by a handful who believe they are more perceptive than the blind sheeple.
"I believe it, so it must be true."
"Lots of experts agree with me, so it must be true."
"Only my little gang agrees with me, so it must be true."
All three variants of the same belief are false.
Posted by: Amritas at February 05, 2009 07:00 AM (+nV09)
When moralizing conservatives get caught, say, cheating on their wives or challenging stall mates to robust Greco-Roman wrestling in airport bathrooms, liberals justifiably howl at the hypocrisy of it all (even though conservative moralizing has no teeth, while the IRS has agents with guns). When liberals fail to pay taxes -- the wellspring of a just society -- it's merely, to borrow an old phrase from Daschle, "sad and disappointing," but ultimately not that big a deal.
When he was still running the Democratic Party, Howard Dean made fighting hypocrisy his top priority. "Hypocrisy is a value that I think has been embraced by the Republican Party. We get lectured by people all day long about moral values by people who have their own moral shortcomings."
Well, I hear a lot of lecturing from Democrats about why I should be ashamed for not liking taxes more because "the children" need it.
“An extensive survey by the Pew Research Center found that three out of four Republicans believe that people can get ahead by working hard. Four out of five believe that everyone has the power to succeed. But Democrats have much less faith in the value of hard work. Only 14 percent believe that people can get ahead by working hard, according to the survey. And only 44 percent believe that everyone has the power to succeed. This is not a case of ‘rich’ Republicans believing one thing and ‘poor’ Democrats another. Even when you compare Republicans and Democrats of the same income, the gap still exists.”
“What this means is that many modern liberals believe differences in wealth are a result of dumb luck rather than hard work and a diligent attitude. It should therefore not be surprising that according to one scientific survey, liberals are two and a half times as likely to play the lottery or gamble in the hope of getting rich.”
This fact is incredible, and very revealing. 75% of Republicans believe you can get ahead by working hard, compared to 14% for Democrats. 86% of Democrats don’t believe that hard work allows you get ahead! The book also quotes many leading liberals in stating that the idea that you should work hard is “ridiculous,” a “seductive myth,” a “profoundly conservative, if not reactionary agenda,” and that the game is “rigged.”
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It's important to note that politicians as a class benefit from higher taxes **even when they honestly erport their incomes and pay their own taxes**.
Why? Because the expansion of government, along with the taxes to support it, increases the importance of the political class, and hence (a)increases the power of incumbents, and (b)increases the moneymaking opportunities of politicians, in the form of for-pay speaking engagements, writing opportunities, consulting engagements, and after-office billing rates as lawyers/lobbyists.
Posted by: david foster at February 05, 2009 06:01 AM (ke+yX)
2When you don't bother to pay your taxes anyway, a tax cut isn't really much of a perk, now is it? [...]
And about "hope and change," best I can tell so far, it's I "hope" nobody checks my back taxes...and we'll "change" the tradition of putting patriotic people in cabinet positions.
- Tim Fitzgerald
One may wonder why 100% of Republicans don't "Republicans believe that people can get ahead by working hard." Perhaps this quarter consists of beneficiaries of old boy privilege and hereditary Republicans who inherited an affiliation without understanding what it stands for. The latter support RINOs; they see the magic letter "R" and reflexively vote for the one-horned.
I think the survey overlooks a key distinction between micro- and macro-level advancement. I fear that Republicans will abuse the survey to claim that Democrats have a poor work ethic. Lots of Democrats get ahead by working hard. They may believe in meritocracy on one level (their own lives), but not another level (society as a whole). And indeed our elites hardly inspire confidence. There are 300 million Americans. Are Obama and Biden - or McCain and Palin - really the best of the best?
Perhaps the Republicans and Democrats in the survey saw the same glass in different ways. Republicans, looking at their own lives, saw it as half full or even full, period. Democrats, looking up at their leaders, saw it as half empty or even totally empty.
If I believe that the world is 51% meritocratic, is it really meaningful if I tell the survey that I believe hard work will get me ahead?
Some beliefs are too complex to be described in binary terms.
Posted by: Amritas at February 05, 2009 07:36 AM (+nV09)
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Oh my Obama, I actually agree with david foster about something! He is absolutely correct!
If I had to choose between power and money, I'd choose power. Money is a recent invention in the history of humyns. We progressives are the real conservatives; we want to drag humynity back to the good old days of rule by witch doctors and Attilas. This disgusting innovation of paper and metal is just a tool to help us achieve the dominance that we rightfully deserve. If some of us don't feel like paying taxes, whatever. What really matters is power - that you pay for.
As for that silly survey, merit is overrated. Manipulate the peOple with pretty wOrds and they will wOrship you. This is the lesson of emperOr Barack I. Democrats have learned it well, unlike the braindead for Dumbya. You don't have to actually do much to become president. Governing Alaska? Who cares?
Only Republicans are dumb enough to obsess over racist "qualifications." Fortunately, we can exploit their idiocy. They can work hard ... for us. They can fund Our prOgrams. They will make their enemies - us! - gOds. They are Atlas, and they will never shrug. It's not in their programming. They just work and work and work. Mindless drones.
We thinkers, we visiOnaries only need to LIE back and give the Orders. And you will obey. It's the patriOtic thing to do.
Posted by: kevin at February 05, 2009 07:51 AM (+nV09)
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Amen, Amritas!!! I HAAAAATE those surveys - there's absolutely no room for complexity or acknowledgment of mitigating or tempering factors; and then a response gets extrapolated to present the most disingenuous, divisive appearance. ("Are you SIMPLE?!?!" "Well, no, but the questions are...")
But they can be great fun if you throw caution to the wind, LOL... ;-)
Posted by: kannie at February 05, 2009 11:25 AM (iT8dn)
When I took that one year of ROTC, I couldn't attend the Dining In because I was performing in a play that weekend. Apparently I missed out on a roaring good time, because afterwards it was decreed that there would be no more alcohol served at Dining Ins in the future. The husband says it was pretty crazy.
In Dining Out news, when the husband and I were first married, they made all the wives come up and drink from the grog bowl. I thought it would be oh-so-funny to go last, and instead of taking a little sip and making a horrible face like the other wives, I wanted to grab the cup, chug the whole thing, and walk away without blinking. And I did, and it was funny...until I spent the rest of the night puking in the 3 Putt Willie's parking lot.
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A Generals wife taught me many moons ago to "pretend to drink the stuff"....it is nasty beyond belief she said....
So I pretend to take a sip, and hope everyone is too loaded to notice.
Posted by: AWTM at February 04, 2009 12:38 PM (yufL5)
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Our grog was compiled by one of the LTs in the company who spent his college years as a bartender. That stuff was DAMN good. We're having a Dining Out in a few weeks and I'm looking forward to his grog again.
So good that there might still be puking in the parking lot...
Posted by: HomefrontSix at February 05, 2009 09:27 AM (RlqpK)
At the dawn of the Obama Administration we have witnessed: four high-level appointees blow up over various issues, tax and otherwise (Richardson, Daschel, and Killefer get axed; Geitner stays); the appointment of at least 12 lobbyists to positions in the Administration -- in direct contradiction of campaign promises; a pork-laden economic stimulus bill without precedent in US history; and the reversal of campaign positions concerning controversial policies like rendition.
The first couple of weeks of the Obama Administration has simply reinforced my stated belief that the Obama campaign and subsequent election represents the biggest, most successful political con of my lifetime.
Democrats remind me of the old story about a baseball player-manager who pulled his right fielder from the game after the right fielder had dropped two fly balls.
The manager put himself in right field, and promptly dropped three fly balls. When he returned to the bench he yelled at the player he had replaced, "See!! You screwed it up so bad nobody can play right field."
I expect to hear this over and over and over and over and over [...] as Obama screws up over and over and over and over and over.
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