March 26, 2004
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The other day my mom called me laughing because her brother had just called her ready to blow a gasket while watching
Kennedy on Meet the Press. Tanker pointed out something to me that I hadn't yet had time to post. Kennedy said:
Yeah, there would probably, probably. But I can tell you this: There would be a much greater participation of other countries around the world. This is laughable, this coalition. 85 percent of all the troops over there now are United
States troops, and 85 percent of the casualties--the casualties--are American troops. There's no reason that we can't have other troops from other nations participate and gradually free American troops from that responsibility. That would be the objective, and that would be the aim. I think that could be achievable.
Tanker then pointed out:
Multilateral, United Nations Authorized, France Approved,
Foreign Troops in the Korean War:
300,000 -- US
39,474 -- Foreign
339,474 -- Total
88% US
Australia 2,282
Belgium 900
Canada 6,146
Colombia 1,068
Ethiopia 1,271
France 1,119
Greece 1,263
Holland 819
Luxembourg 44
New Zealand 1,385
Philippines 1,496
South Africa 826
Thailand 1,204
Turkey 5,453
United Kingdom 14,198
United States 302,483
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What worries me most about Kerry's candidacy is that if elected, he will give Teddy the White House Kennedy couldn't get on his own.
Posted by: Mike at March 26, 2004 07:54 PM (00IUf)
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Oh goodness. I hadn't even considered that Mike. I figure Clarke after his book and press time bashing Bush would get a spot. The thought of Kennedy being in there... Frightening.
Thanks for the info you found Sarah. I guess politics boils down to finding the truth on our own. The press sure isn't helping this time around.
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WITTY
NotDeskmerc is just as
witty and biting as Deskmerc:
I grow tired of the finger pointing over who is to blame for 9-11, and I havenÂ’t even really listened to any of it. Just listening to people talk about listening to it is enough to make me want to read the Food and Wine section of the paper, instead.
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Oh great, MT comments spam! Lovely non sequitur. Years ago I used to run a message board on amritas.com that became a big spam target.
Apparently Joanne Jacobs' MT-based blog is also getting spammed, though I've never seen any:
http://www.joannejacobs.com/mtarchives/013901.html
The comments give some solutions for MT.
As for the NotDeskMerc post, my favorite line is:
"Our government is stupid."
Socialists believe in smart governments. But there ain't no such thing.
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BLEAT
I sent
the new Bleat to my co-worker in an email since we were talking about Clarke yesterday and he gets his info from those horrible articles at MSNBC. I shock myself with my newfound gutsiness...
I'm also wearing my new Home of the Free t-shirt today.
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I parsed that as "Home of the
free t-shirt" rather than "
Home of the Free t-shirt", which confued me for a moment.
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KOREA
When I taught ESL back in Illinois, the majority of my students were from South Korea. In my small conversation classes, we talked about the military, since many of the men had done their mandatory Korean service. The older gentlemen in my classes, those in the 40 year old range, thought very highly of the US military and insisted that the American presence was still very necessary. But they said that the younger
Koreans don't see things the same way.
The nonprofit think tankÂ’s report, released earlier this month, included two public opinion polls covering 1,710 South Koreans. Most South Koreans said they believe U.S. forces are important for security but also believe the 37,000 U.S. servicemembers stationed in their country may halt unification efforts with North Korea, the study said. And younger, better-educated respondents said they believe America poses a greater threat than North Korea.
Let's pause a moment and reflect on the word better-educated. In this context, it seems to me that this adjective is synonymous with head-up-their-butts or perhaps brainwashed-by-a-Leftist-agenda.
How is it in our country, as well as in Korea, the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be in touch with reality?
The United States is not preventing the reunification of North and South Korea. And I'll bet you a complete set of James Bond movies and $650,000 worth of Hennessey that anyone who thinks the US is more dangerous than Kim Jong Poofyhair obviously has not read a single thing about life in North Korea.
I'm starting to take real issue with the term better-educated. As one of Porphyrogenitus' readers astutely noted, "Waitresses and truck drivers are smart enough not to believe such patent absurdities. The amazing thing is that the majority of English and social science professors and journalists do believe them."
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"How is it in our country, as well as in Korea, the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be in touch with reality?"
Maybe Orwell was right. Maybe ignorance IS strength. Ignorance, that is, of the memetic viruses of e-duh-cation.
Then again, we have to understand our aca-dumb-ic enemies to win against them. So there is no excuse for ignorance. Still doesn't mean people should spend thousands on indoctrination, though.
"Better-educated" is often code language for "one of us Leftists."
Of course, the absence of education is not inherently virtuous either. Some of those waitresses and truck drivers might not know what's happening in North Korea. I suspect Saddam is far more famous than Kim Jong Il in the US.
Posted by: Amritas at March 26, 2004 09:45 AM (Ceu0B)
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One reason the state of higher education in the social sciences sucks is because teachers feel pressure to come up with original ideas for their writing. The old ideas: based on traditional values and common sense have been done to death. Somewhere around the sixties, perhaps earlier, students found that by attacking traditional value systems their work would be thought original. i noticed this in my own post graduate study. i could either state the truth: America is a force for good, or come up with some nonsensical but original thesis. What happens when all the America bashing becomes the norm? Maybe the pendulum will swing back? i doubt it, the professors now are so left wing, they're not interested in truth, just agreement.
Posted by: annika at March 26, 2004 01:19 PM (zAOEU)
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Annika, nail on the head regarding one of my doubleplusungood experiences with the teaching establishment. In elementary school in the early '90s, my son learned by "whole language" instruction, which had supplanted phonics. Best I can tell, WL became popular because it was New. Not because it was shown more effective in statistically-valid trials. It sure didn't work miracles in our family. Then last year, I heard a prof at the local teaching college staunchly the upcoming conference on implementing--Whole Language!
Be interesting to know how many Ed. theses have been written on SexyNew WL versus OldStodgy Phonics.
Posted by: AMac at March 29, 2004 02:21 PM (tH09J)
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It's tricky to be totally wrongheaded about one's own subject (excluding comparative literature and some of the 'whatever-studies' which are disaster areas).
But no trouble at all to be so about others.
So in an environment where certain world-views dominate, considered self-evidently reasonable, and best deferred to avoid ostracism, the attitudes are picked up by osmosis.
There are the attractions of a thought-system that provides a comprehensive 'explanation of the world'.
(Religion could substitute, see Middle Eastern students of 'hard objective' subjects who become Islamic radicals, but generally it's too anti-hedonistic.)
This can have a long term influence.
Student days may be gone, and they would likely recoil in alarm if an socialist government appeared by magic overnight overnight with a command economy and 70+ per cent income tax on them (rather than the 'Super Rich'). But for many a 'radical' political stance is a painless way of maintaining their 'right-on' self-image, the apparent badge of an educated mind.
For such people anti-globalization, environmentalism, minority rights, anti-War, Palestine etc. gives the thrill of thinking they're still radicals, but apparently safely disconnected from impacting their everyday life.
Posted by: John F at March 30, 2004 07:07 AM (5cvA7)
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P.S.
Just came across this quote; maybe it's not such a new problem

- Francis Bacon (1561-1626), "universities incline wits to sophistry and affectation"
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THANKS
We made it to 30,000 hits folks; thanks! Of course, according to my referrals, 572 of those hits were looking for dirty photos, but oh well. Maybe one of those people tried to grok.
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And I still haven't found those dirty photos!
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三萬 히트를 祝賀합니다!
sam-man hitu-rul chukha-hamnida!
three-ten-thousand hit-(direct object) congratulate-do!
Posted by: Amritas at March 26, 2004 08:00 AM (Ceu0B)
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The post above this one put me in a 韓國的인
Hangukchogin (Korean; lit. 'Korea-ish-being') kinda mood. Now for the Japanese ...
三萬ヒット御目出度う!
san-man hitto omedetou!
three-ten-thousand hit congratulations!
Gotta love wacky Japanese rebuses - omedetou is written with:
1. 御 o- (honorific prefix; semantic)
2. 目 me 'eye' (used for its sound only)
3. 出 de 'come out' (used for its sound only)
4. 度 ta(ku) 'measure' (used for its sound only; read as do elsewhere but pronounced as to here before the next symbol)
5. う u (pure phonetic symbol).
historically omedetaku > omedetau (k-loss) > omedetou (a > o).
The honorable eye will come out to measure again when you hit 40,000!
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Congratulations, sweetie!
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March 25, 2004
FALLEN
Our post lost a soldier last week. The memorial for
PFC Jason Ludlam was held today, and unfortunately I couldn't get out of work to go. My friend went, and her description of
the military roll call was enough to make me cry. I hope PFC Ludlam never doubted that there are people out there who appreciate his service and honor his sacrifice.

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Another Texan. God bless him.
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Jason's sister Erin works for my company. She informed us of her brother's death earlier this week. Jason's military funeral is Sunday. My wife Judy and I will be there. Words cannot express our feelings for this brave young man who followed in his mom and dad's footsteps (both are retired military). Jason, while a Boy Scout, participated in a Venture group that specialized in 19th century American Military re-enactments. In the words of Jason's father Tom, "He was in the 19th-century Army for a pastime and in the 21st-century Army for a career." My wife and I extend our condolences to the Ludlam family. Jason's sacrifice was the greatest a man can make for his country. We must never forget that or the very good reasons we are in Iraq.
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SPECTRA
Blueshift responds to my
a priori post.
I must say that the more I read about current events,
the less strongly I feel I can believe in the goodness of people.
But the more bloggers I meet,
the more I believe in the goodness of some.
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Spectra is more than just a fun sounding name. It is really how I (try) to view humanity. Every single person is different. We think differently about the same situation. Our range of thoughts runs from one extreme on one side, to the opposite extreme on the other, no matter the issue. You can find anyone who will say and believe anything.
Together we form the whole spectrum, its good and bad points are integral as they define the median. Ying-yang-ish if you will.
I'll leave off now, before I get into the whole emission and absorption lines part. Might have to post it sometime, but not this week.
Posted by: Blueshift at March 25, 2004 07:20 AM (crTpS)
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"I'll leave off now, before I get into the whole emission and absorption lines part."
Do explain how that applies to humans, Blueshift!
I like your analogy. It reminds me of my own approach to linguistics which is based on individual users of language rather than on
a priori idealized models. Each of us DOES "think differently about the same situation." Of course, those differences are constrained by our shared biology, so not literally everything is possible - but what is out there is a lot more diverse than most think. No two people have the same language; even twins have different experiences which they associate with the "same" word.
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... argh, left out /i twice on the same night! (I erred earlier at LGF.)
I empathize with Sarah's observation. I never did believe in the a priori goodness of people, but now I think people as a WHOLE are worse than I ever imagined. OTOH, I think there are a lot good more people (present company, for instance!) than I used to. I don't feel alone anymore. Blogs are bringing us together.
Posted by: Amritas at March 25, 2004 09:01 AM (9gJFi)
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Well, it is an astronomy related analogy.
Emission lines are peaks in the spectrum of materials heated until they give off light. Each natural element gives off a unique signature of peaks at certain frequencies. Thats how we determine the material makeup of distant objects (stars, galaxies, nebula). Absorption lines are the opposite, when a cold material (not glowing from heat) is between the observer and the object emitting the light, the freqencies are absorbed depending on the material, and thus missing from the light source.
People also have emission and absorption spectra. When you believe in a concept, and are a proponent/advocate, you emit those aspects. When you disbelieve and try to disabuse people of what you see as a false notion, you absorb that particular 'frequency'.
Either way, you end up with an indentifying unique spectrum.
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ANGER
OK, today is the first and last day I go read news on MSNBC. I am positively seething right now after reading articles about Clarke and Iraq One Year Later. And this article was the icing on my furious cake:
‘Old Europe’ unrepentant.
My main thought while reading this article was a black-and-white "whose side are you on?" Yep, call me a cowboy, but I believe you're either with us or with the terrorists, and the tone of this article infuriated me. The entire thing is written from the European's perspective, which is fine except the article is written by an NBC reporter.
The stings from U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s verbal attacks against Germany last year are still fresh. Derisively labeling Germany part of “Old Europe” and putting the country in line with rogue nations such as Libya and Cuba — as examples of other countries that were not supportive of the war — did not buy much American goodwill in Germany.
For the past year, Europeans have been waiting for an apology, but they have not gotten one yet.
When Rumsfeld was recently asked about the current state of U.S.-European relations and his “old Europe” remarks, he said the relationships were now “fairly normal.” Rumsfeld added that "he was too old to regret things he has said in the past.”
Germans have moved on and are hoping to start mending fences. "At present, bilateral talks between the two governments are mainly about reconciliation," said Klaus Proempers, a correspondent for German television ZDF.
You want an apology, Europe? I'm sure many of these people would be willing to give you one, but don't hold your breath for the government or the majority of Americans to let bygones be bygones.
Moving on:
An opinion poll by the German Marshall Fund reflected that a clear majority of Europeans want the European Union to become a superpower like the United States.
Ah ha ha ha ha. A clear majority of human beings want to be millionaires without lifting a finger and merely sitting around all day watching Becker, but that don't mean it's gon happen.
Chancellor Schroeder has rejected sending military support to Iraq, but he is hoping his announcement that German police will begin training their Iraqi counterparts this month will be seen as a gesture of goodwill.
And despite the fact that France and Germany have repeatedly rejected committing any NATO troops to Iraq in even a peacekeeping role, Germany has sent troops in Afghanistan and cites that as an example of how it is a reliable and dedicated NATO member.
Germany actually plans to increase its contingent of 220 German soldiers, stationed in the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, as part of a so-called Provincial Reconstruction Team.
I'm sorry, I must have something crazy in my ear. Did you say two-hundred twenty? There are more than 220 soldiers from my husband's battalion alone in Iraq right now, and we're supposed to give Germany a gold star for effort and participation? Whew, thank god you pointed out Germany is "a reliable and dedicated NATO member"; I almost forgot, given the fact that their chancellor ran on a platform of Screw Bush. But at least some NATO piece of paper still says they're our ally, regardless of what they do or say.
Look, Europe has a right to their own positions. Journalists have a right to report them, though I wish that American journalists wouldn't play the Europe=innocent USA=naughty game. But if Europe wants to maintain their own positions and not work with us in the war on terror, then they can take care of themselves when the Paris suburbs erupt.
Or maybe we can send 220 soldiers to help them.
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Well, at least the NBC reporter put the nasty adjective "so-called" before "Provincial Reconstruction Team." Then again, maybe the reporter thinks the team's real purpose is to help Halliburton suck Iraq dry. "Reconstruction ... or theft?"
"the majority of Americans"? A lot of warbloggers like us, yeah, but apart from reflexive Francophobia, I really don't think a lot of Americans even know or care what Alteuropa thinks of their country. I'm talking about a lot of Kerry (and sadly, also Bush) voters. Hang out at blogs too long, and one gets the mistaken impression that everyone reads LGF. Not so. If only!
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"but apart from reflexive Francophobia" - oops, I meant to say that apart from a vague dislike of France, I don't think a lot of Americans have strong feelings one way or the other toward Europe.
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It seems to me that American journalists are so focused on growning their reader base in Europe they have completely stepped away from their objectivity. Maybe I'm over simplifing the whole thing, but I really believe it's all about growing their damn market share.
Posted by: Tammi at March 25, 2004 10:36 AM (IgBgr)
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European market share? No, I think this is a case of bias, as chronicled in Bernard Goldberg's book (what else?)
Bias. If you spend your whole life in Leftist circles, you come to accept their POV as "normal" and it seeps into your "objective" reporting. You assume that everyone - American, European, whoever - sees the "obvious truth." "You" of course, doesn't mean you, Tammi!
Posted by: Amritas at March 25, 2004 11:45 AM (xXVip)
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Amritas writes: "If you spend your whole life in Leftist circles, you come to accept their POV as "normal" and it seeps into your "objective" reporting."
I might add that if you spend your whole life in "any" extremists circles (left, right, or other), you fall prey to the same curse.
Diversity in opinion, open debate, and ability to think critically are the only things that can bring this country back from our deep divisions now apparent.
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FINALLY
Woo-hoo, we're going to Poland!
In western Europe, which hosts about 102,000 U.S. military service personnel, most of the expected reduction would come in Army forces in Germany. The Army would withdraw more than 60 percent of its 56,000 troops in Germany, home to the 1st Armored and 1st Infantry divisions, officials said, and several overlapping high-level commands would be consolidated.
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Man, I want to visit Poland. My maternal Grandfather emigrated to the US from then-Germany now-Poland back in '32. Where he settled in northern Illinois, he said, resembled the hamlet he grew up in. I love the area he settled in, and I want to see where he came from.
Posted by: Blueshift at March 25, 2004 05:28 AM (crTpS)
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"... we're going to Poland!"
Yeah, and maybe you could learn Polish! Ouch! If you think German is hard (maybe you don't), try Polish. I never did, but it is a lot like Russian and I can tell you that Russian ain't easy.
Posted by: Amritas at March 25, 2004 08:39 AM (9gJFi)
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I'm thrilled to learn they are finally gettin the heck outta dodge err - Germany (I'll just label them as the ingrates). I just hope the DOD or Pentagon doesn't make the same mistake again by building such a huge footprint in one country.
Luv your stuff Sarah
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WooHoo is right, now when we get at least 80% out I'll really be pleased. We probably do need to leave a few there as a token of our power.
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How does one say "UP YOURS" in German?
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NO TAXES FOR BRITCHES
Mein Gott, Walter! as my co-worker always says.
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Ist dein(e) Arbeitskollege/in deutsch?
Was!? How can the great State let such a great cultural institution decline!? More subsidies! They MUST maintain their differences from
die Amerikaner at taxpayer expense!
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March 24, 2004
HA
Just got an email from my husband with funny stories in it. I don't want to give away anything OPSEC, but I wanted to share a part that made me smile. He had to go talk to the mayor of a nearby town about Problem X:
It was kind of cool. A room full of Iraqis were jumping through their ass
trying to impress your husband as they told him about [Problem X]. They
invited me to dinner and tea but I told them I had to go. I never thought I
would be a civil administrator in an Arab country while fighting an insurgency
against the only democracy in the region. If you would have told me that five
years ago, I would have called you crazy.
I'm going to see another town tomorrow about the same stuff. The only
translator available is yours truly so we'll see how it goes.
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"I never thought I would be a civil administrator in an Arab country while fighting an insurgency against the only democracy in the region."
Talk about growing up fast! So many lives are in his hands, both American and Iraqi. And although I've never met him, I trust him. If you do, so can I.
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CANDY CANE
I like the new
An American Soldier blog run by Drill Sergeant Rob. He answers questions about Basic Training that are funny. My
favorite bit so far:
I'd like to make a complaint. My little sister is in Jackson right now and she called to tell me about all the fun and "privlidges" she has. So, when you get a chance, tell C company, x/xxth Inf Reg, 3rd Platoon that they are a candy cane unit.
I deleted the unit to protect the guilty. No they are not a candy cane unit. The proper military term is a candyass unit. And yes...they are. Don't worry, we already make fun of them enough. Unfortunately there are big differences in units here as far as how easy or tough the training and discipline is. There are even differences between Companies and Platoons. My unit has a pretty good reputation compared to a lot of units here. And my Platoon is definitely one of the most disciplined in the Battalion. I can't help what other commanders and Drills let their soldiers get away with. I am still going to do my best to turn out tough, disciplined, highly trained, physically fit, morally sound soldiers.
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PANDORA
And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -- if all records told the same tale -- then the lie pased into history and became truth. "Who controls the past," ran the Party slogan, "controls the future: who controls the present controls the past." And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple.
I put a pencil mark next to this 1984 passage the other day because of it's frightening impact on me. And today Amritas points me in the direction of a post entitled Pandora's Box. A.E. Brain found out that the Library of Congress keeps certain blog entries about the Iraq war for posterity. His curiosity piqued, Brain checked out the Australian equivalent.
So I did a search on "Iraq & Saddam". The results, frankly, astonished me. A result worthy of the Ministry of Truth.
Of the 4638 hits, I reviewed the first 1000. Of these, approximately 300+ were political anyalysis and commentary. Of that 300+, I found 2 that were neutral, neither pro- nor anti- war, but dispassionate analysis of alternatives. The rest were all anti-Bush, anti-War, anti-American.
I'm willing to admit that there are plausible arguments against the Iraq War. But if future Historians primary sources are so selectively filtered, leaving the inescapable impression that there was absolutely no pro-War support whatsoever... then that's re-writing history by omission. Whether the war was right or wrong is arguable. Or arguably arguable. That editorial articles exist in support of it is not a matter of opinion, but of fact.
We're twenty years late but we're well on our way, Orwell.
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That's one of the reasons we have MuNu.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 24, 2004 09:07 PM (+S1Ft)
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We need an alternet database other than a government one. One big massive Google cache.
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RINGS
Maybe it's a coincidence, given the release of the movies, that over the past year I've seen many bloggers compare the battle between democracy and jihad to The Lord of the Rings. Would we have made that same parallel based on our fuzzy memories of those books? Perhaps not, but the parallel has been made, and there are moments like right now where I feel a surge of excitement and a call to battle. Reading
Wretchard's post (via Europundits) sharpened my
laser beam and reminded me once again that there's a war on. His post is one that stirs men's hearts and breathes life into their souls:
By striking at so senior a terrorist target, the Jihadis will be in no mood for negotiations. They themselves will cast away the Peace Process and sheer fury will make them forswear their favorite tactic, the faux hudna -- thereby granting Israel a meeting on the battlefield. For this is Israel's mortal challenge to Hamas which has often said it would kill the last Jew. The message, now ringing in their ears, is that the Jew will kill the last terrorist, beginning at the top.
Is this a call to arms? The pinnacle clash of civilizations?
Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day. This day we fight! For all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!
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The irony of Aragorn's speech is that the guy on-screen who's saying them DOESN'T HOLD THEM to his heart. Viggo Mortenson is a liberal.
UNLIKE Gimli (John Rhys-Davies), who knew when he was 10 years old that this War we have with Islam was coming. His father told him!
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OWNLIFE
I've been enjoying re-reading 1984, and I have found lots of stuff that I want to say about it, but that will have to wait. Briefly though, last night I found the Newspeak word for how I've been feeling lately: ownlife. Being alone, "individualism and eccentricity". That's how I've felt since my two best friends left for Iraq...up until the other day when I was talking to an acquaintance. Somehow the conversation twisted and turned until we were both nodding our heads that we support President Bush in the war on terror but think the Marriage Amendment is a bad idea. I think my jaw hit the floor. Someone to talk to...
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That's a nice way to describe the experience (I've just survived a one year Army Reserve deployment). I agree regarding Bush. I love your blog, too BTW.
Posted by: LegalEagle at March 24, 2004 03:17 AM (puWe2)
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March 23, 2004
LAMBAST
If there's a bad blog post
lambasting France, I've never seen it! Thanks, Kim.
By the way, Kim brings up National Piss Off Michael Moore And Buy A Gun Day on April 15th. After reading his blog for a couple of months, he's basically convinced me: I want to learn to handle a weapon. I realized the day my husband deployed what an irrational fear I have of weapons. I flinched every time my husband and fellow soldiers slung their rifles over their shoulders, even though I knew they were not loaded. In fact, I realized as my husband was showing off his pistol that day that it was the first time in my life I had ever touched a weapon. I have this hold-it-like-it's-a-baby-chick attitude about weapons that I'd like to overcome. Kim has convinced me that people should know how to respect weapons, and I want to learn that skill.
But we're in Germany, and guns are a strict no-no over here, so we'll have to wait until 2006 before I can even learn about weapons. Once we get home, maybe Kim can give me some pointers.
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Ma'am,
I spent 6 years stationed in Germany, and enjoyed shooting with the local Rod and Gun Clubs in Hanau, Aschaffenburg and Darmstadt. They had the info for buying firearms overseas via SOFA status.
Best of luck exercising your second admendment rights,
Charlie,
The KimcheeGI
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OK, time to step back for a minute. After a husband-inspired dinner of lil smokies and rum & coke and a rousing episode of Smallville, I'm ready to tackle the Arab-Israeli conflict growing on my blog.
I always thought the comments section of places like LGF or LT Smash was really fun: discussions growing on their own independent from the original post and blogger. I'm excited that my own readers are jumping into the game. But there are a few things I'd like to say.
I appreciate the fact that Joshua has been civil. He and I may disagree, but he politely asked me to re-grok, and I don't take that as a sign of trolldom. I also appreciate the fact that most of my readers seem to side with Israel, and I only encourage them to continue to be civil in their discussion.
That said, there are some other resources I'd like to point to, all taken from Charles Johnson's sidebar.
Myths & Facts Online: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict
Palestine Facts
Statistical Analysis of Casualties in the Palestinian - Israeli Conflict
I am the first to admit that I do not grok the entire conflict. I have read most of the information in the aforementioned articles, but I cannot say that I have completely understood everything. I am no expert. I tried to follow Joshua's advice and read the suggested works by Chomsky and Said, but they're both books, and I must honestly say that I don't feel comfortable purchasing their books. I would read an article online, but I don't particularly want to contribute money to their way of thinking.
I will say that I support the idea of the US being Israel's ally. They need all the allies they can get, and so do we. Seeing as we're both considered the biggest threats to world peace, we'd better stick together. Since we give plenty of money to craptastic countries like Egypt, I say why not give aid to a country that's a democracy and an ally?
I think Carla hit the nail on the head with the crux of this conflict though: "Palestinian leaders refused peaceable, 2-state solutions in 1917, 1937, 1948, and 2000. They do not want a right of self-determination, they want the elimination of the Jews." That's the main reason I can't support Palestine. They've been offered a compromise and have refused, opting for death over sharing. I can't support that under any circumstances.
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I am very happy this discussion turned out the way it did as well. I am extermely interested in the topic yet it typically raises people's blood pressure when its brought up. All comments were civil and resourced/researched. If this type of dialogue was the way more people interacted we could probably bet the world would not be such a heap at this point.
On the opinion of the two state solution, I have no idea why Palestine would reject it so many times. It bordelines on the idea "its the principle of the matter". Where as I do not agree with the occupation I find it unfortunate that both sides find bloodshed to be the answer.
As far as not wishing to support their writing, I understand, if I ever come across my copies again[constant lending and moving] maybe we can arrange for them to be sent to you.
Be well and keep reading, Joshua
Posted by: Joshua at March 23, 2004 06:34 PM (qLwT1)
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Joshua, I'm glad to see you grasp there are issues which cannot be resolved by screaming.
You are obviously intelligent. I would recommend some good history on the issue, and the region in general. Stay away from recent books, and find a good history book at the library published prior to 1967.
Sarah always has well-considered opinions. I welcome you to come tear my site apart. I don't research as well as she does!
Posted by: Mike at March 23, 2004 09:11 PM (00IUf)
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Joshua, the repeated rejection of the two-state solution really is the key to it. The Palestinians don't want a separate state of their own; they want Israel, but without the Israelis.
And you are falling
again into the trap of false moral equivalence when you say
I find it unfortunate that both sides find bloodshed to be the answer. Israel wants peace and has been prepared to make substantial concessions to encourage the peace process. The Palestinians have made no such concessions.
Ever.
And I stand by what I said earlier about Chomsky and Said. You really,
really need to double-check everything they present as fact. Even when Chomsky is talking about linguistics, his supposed field of expertise.
If you like, I can dig up some articles deconstructing both of them.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 23, 2004 10:20 PM (+S1Ft)
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Well, thanks to all for being civil, yet again. I has said that the first time prior to seeing 2[or was it more?] posts about my head being in the clouds[due to my book choice] which I will admit is a bit disheartening. You need not slap my face to turn it towards what you find to be a more suitable or factually viable truth.
Mike, as far as "tearing down your site" I probably will not make it my fashion to do such. Fact of the matter is I stumbled upon Sarah's writing and had no idea she was pro-zionist. I am happy to see that all of you are creating arguments that bear a source. I have a book called Israel and the Arabs by Maxime Rodinson published in 1968 that I am yet to read.
Pixy, as far as deconstructing Chomsky and Said I really find no need to do so. I take into consideration what you have said and make my best effort to second source such writings more thoroughly in the future.
As far as my "political leanings" I imagine most if not all of you will feel the need to call me Lefty and we would basically butt heads on most issues.
The left will always slander the right, and the right to the left. Its like a pissing contest, excuse the vulgarity.
I am merely for the people, the right for all men, women, and children to food, clothes, and shelter. Working towards peace.
Posted by: Joshua at March 23, 2004 11:16 PM (qLwT1)
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"I am merely for the people, the right for all men, women, and children to food, clothes, and shelter."
But those aren't rights.
People
should have enough to eat - and indeed there is more than enough food in the world for everyone. Even taking into consideration the waste and overeating rife in the wealthier nations, there is still more than enough food. And the wealthy nations are quite prepared to give their surplus food to any country in need. The only reason people starve these days is because of the governments of those nations where the people are starving. The
only reason.
The same for clothes. And much the same for shelter.
These are rights:
Life - no-one is allowed to kill you out of hand, not even the President;
Liberty - you are free to go where you will, providing you obey the laws of the land;
the Pursuit of Happiness - note that you don't have a right to happiness itself, only a right to pursue it.
What's the difference between these rights and yours? These rights are real, fundamental rights because they don't involve taking anything from anyone else - where yours do. Your "rights" are in fact not rights at all, but principles of Marxism. That good old "to each according to his needs".
I agree that we should work to provide all people with these common basic needs,
but it is not a right.
"Working towards peace."
Well, yes.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 24, 2004 12:54 AM (kOqZ6)
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Yes, you're fortunate that Joshua is not a nasty troll. Sorry to have come on quite so strong with the language, but I had a very visceral response to the mention of Noam Chomsky and threw up verbally. What can I say?
My sister once handed me one of his books from one of her masters of international relations classes. She recommended it. I tried to read it. Blecchh. Piss poor attempt to hide total left leaning position under hand selected "facts."
Joshua, I know Noam Chomsky is a little tin god to every liberal on the planet, bunt you completely click off anyone who is not a robotic liberal when you mention him as your centerpoint of research. It's like a conservative saying "Go read Sean Hannity." Huh? How does it help to make a decision when you only read people who feed you pablum to support a viewpoint they espouse? I agree with one of the earlier posts - you need to read a good, balanced HISTORY book. And if you really want to make an argument to someone who reads a LOT - both sides - lose the words NOAM CHOMSKY from your vocabulary.
Best wishes. (But unconvinced.)
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I am not a Marxist, nor have I read his work, nor do I really ever plan on reading his work. I am not convinced a single ideology or government is right for the entire planet. Millions suffer due to a lack of food, clothes, and shelter. Without any of these your pursuits of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness cannot rightly happen. An addendum to the life/liberty/happiness should be "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without effecting those rights of another."
"Best wishes.(But unconvinced)"
I am not too sure what you are getting at with that. Placing it after best wishes sounds like an attempt at taking a sucker punch which is ridiculous considering I have not made a single shot at anyone in the course of our discussion. Do not let your emotions guide your words. There is no need to lash out, no matter how miniscule, because a person does not hold your viewpoint. Funny, I am the "Lefty", isn't it my "schtick" to take body shots?
I am not here to convince you of what I will educate myself with. I will say that I do have it in my mind to pick up other works. Problem is, the Left skews the facts towards their cause, and the right does the same, objectivity is a lost art. I do not want to prove that any ideology is any more effect then another, I just know where I am considered standing by other peoples designations. I merely wish to educate myself so I take your suggestions to heart, understand?
Remaining openmindedly yours, Joshua
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Joshua, the point is that food, clothing and shelter aren't RIGHTS. They're necessities. Just because something is necessary doesn't mean you have a right to it.
If you read the UN Declaration on Human Rights it starts off with the basics (life, liberty, and so on) and then descends into a welter of Socialist redistribution policies, all of them classed as fundamental human rights.
Your addendum, though, is spot on.
Now, as to skewed facts: Objectivity is not a lost art, but it is hard to find. The reason this has become such a problem in recent years lies
entirely with the left, with moral relativism and post-modernism. Facts are verifiable. Verify them. The right is far,
far better on this than the left. Not perfect, but still miles ahead.
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By the way, I consider myself a centrist. A year or two ago, I would have been considered left-of-center by most Americans. I have been pushed
hard towards the right, not by the arguments of the right, but by the arguments of the left. The sheer volume of nonsense - factual error, logical fallacy and out-and-out lies - coming from the far left in recent years has been astonishing. Worse, the moderate left has largely accepted this.
More notable examples of people suffering my plight include Michael Totten, Roger Simon and Christopher Hitchens. They're also better at explaining this than me, so give them a try.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 24, 2004 02:16 PM (+S1Ft)
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If something is necessary to remaining alive then I would have to say that you have a right to it. Maybe this is why I am considered Leftist or Socialist or some other useless designation.
And I quote from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25:
Everyone has the RIGHT to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including FOOD, CLOTHING, HOUSING and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in cirumstances beyond his control.
So, by the very document you quote about L/L/PoHappiness you can find that F/C/Shelter are also included. It is safe to assume that all of the articles bear the same weight, and that Article 25 is of equal importance as Article 3.
Article 2 goes on to say "Everyone is entitled to ALL the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration without distinction..."
yours in open dialogue, Joshua
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Forgive the CAPS but I am unaware on how to bold or italicize in this "forum".
Posted by: Joshua at March 24, 2004 02:36 PM (qLwT1)
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And my point is this:
No, you don't. You
don't have a right to something just because it is necessary.
Because you never have a right to take something away from someone else.
The right to liberty is easy; there is never a shortage of liberty, unless someone deliberately takes it away. The right to life is really a right not to be killed out of hand; people die of natural causes, by accident, and so on, but it is only humans who can abuse this right. The right to the pursuit of happiness is inviolable.
You simply and absolutely have no right to any particular standard of living, to any amount of food, clothing, shelter or medical care. All people
should have access to these things, I agree. That's a Socialist notion, but I never said I disagreed entirely with Socialism. To claim that these are fundamental rights is Marxism,
and it is also a fundamental abuse of other human rights. Property rights, for example.
And the notion that unemployment benefits, sickness and disability pensions, widow's benefits (what about widowers?) and old-age pensions are a fundamental right is utterly absurd. A social structure along these lines can be beneficial in helping people remain (or return to) being productive members of society. But they
all work by forcibly taking money from some people to give to other people. And anything that requires such action is absoultely and unequivocally
not a right.
Once again: I'm not saying these things are necessarily bad (though I will point out that excessive devotion to these ideas is bankrupting Europe). Just that they are social structures and
not human rights. Calling them that demans the entire notion of human rights, by claiming that human rights are something only a socialist government can grant. Human rights are something we are
born with, which remain with us unless they are taken away.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 24, 2004 09:21 PM (+S1Ft)
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Well, I was merely pointing out that you quoted the UNDoHRights and tried to tell me it is not a right. If L/L/PoH are rights as deemed appropriate by the UNDoHR then, by the very standard you have created by instituting the document as proof you have refuted your own statement. Be more careful in the future. Now, if the UNDoHR is Socialistically minded then so is L/L/PoH.
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Posted by: Joshua at March 24, 2004 11:00 PM (qLwT1)
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Well, I was merely pointing out that you quoted the UNDoHRights and tried to tell me it is not a right.
No I didn't.
If L/L/PoH are rights as deemed appropriate by the UNDoHR then, by the very standard you have created by instituting the document as proof you have refuted your own statement.
No. What I was saying was that the UN Declaration starts well but then rapidly degenerates into a socialist manifesto. Maybe I could have made it clearer if I'd said "all of which it classes - falsely - as fundamental human rights".
But I would have thought that "descends into a welter of Socialist redistribution policies" was a pretty clear indictment of the UN Declaration.
Be more careful in the future.
Try to follow the argument in the future.
Now, if the UNDoHR is Socialistically minded then so is L/L/PoH.
Completely false. Utterly wrong.
Most of the UN Declaration consists of not affirming natural rights but of the redistribution of wealth. The basic rights affirmed in the US Constitution are libertarian principles; the UN Declaration is - for the most part - a socialist document.
Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Pfft.
Feel free to judge me any time. Just get your facts straight.
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Wow. Wow.
Charging people money for being wrongfully imprisoned.
Wow.
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I got to that one a few days ago (http://serenade.splinder.it/1079451381#1631861), but it doesn't upset me any less on the 10th re-reading...
Fortunately (?) I am living in the UK right now, and I am hoping to be able to do my small and democratic best to get rid of these Labour clowns. First order of business is on the 10th of June, with the election of the Mayor of London. Having gone out of his way to court the Dirty Hippy vote, I am hoping that the other 7 million Londoners will want to "send him a message".
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