November 17, 2004
WOAH WOAH WOAH!
I need to apologize to SSG Fitts immediately. Oda Mae just received an email from a soldier downrange, someone who knows SSG Fitts (Oda Mae took out some names, but email left as-is, in all its soldierly glory, i.e. warning: swear words):
You are correct SSG Fitts is a great NCO and very positive guy. He was misquoted. We all hate some of our enbeds.. and the Brit times guys a real cock. VERY annoying wines alot and writes misquotes just to get his points across. However . . . that when these guys write fucked up shit, he won't kick them out.. even when we've asked him to boot them out. I didn't want [Mrs. Sims] to hear about that article, because sean was doing the right thing, and leading from the front, the fucking stupid brit got it all wrong.
My apologies for being down on SSG Fitts (and my apologies for this soldier's dirty mouth). I'm leaving up the post below this one because I don't believe in making the past disappear. But I have no beef with SSG Fitts. Keep that in mind when you scroll to the next post.
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because I don't believe in making the past disappear
Right, except for comments.
Posted by: Sadly, No! at November 17, 2004 04:58 AM (Hr4e3)
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Oh please, Seb. Like you should lecture me about integrity.
Posted by: Sarah at November 17, 2004 05:59 AM (gxLdT)
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I do believe she is referencing her posts, not your comments on her space. Grow up.
I've read the past few posts about SSG Fitts. After the first post, I wasn't quite sure what you were on about, so I re-read it a few times until I felt I understood your point of view. My initial reading was a of SSG trying to impart a battlefield lesson, a hard cold one to be sure, and I didn't see it as a degredation of the CO. The misquoted option had occured to me, that and not much context for the quote was given.
As far as enlisted bitchin about officers.... that extends back in time as long as there have been officers and enlisted. They still jump when ordered to do so, and ask how high later.
Posted by: John at November 17, 2004 08:04 AM (crTpS)
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My thoughts were the same as John's, although it was not the kind of thing you would want the man's widow to read.
NCOs are known for their toughness. Sometimes that comes across wrong. But it certainly doesn't mean they don't love that LT or CPT.
Posted by: Mike at November 17, 2004 08:23 AM (MqNKC)
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Sarah - I am so disenchanted with the press I just can't express it enough. Kevin Sites and his video of the Marine is another example. I go to Kevin's blog often and never would've thought he'd put out for pool video of this nature which he had to know would cause a firestorm and be misinterpreted by ALL of the MSM. I'm not saying to bury the issue but he could have given it to the Marine higher ups and let them deal with it instead of putting this soldier and his family thru hell. The MSM ignore the mutilation of the blonde women by the terrorists and focuses only on the "atrocities of the US Military" against the terrorists. They really do 'hate' the US Military.
Posted by: Toni at November 17, 2004 08:51 AM (SHqVu)
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Oh please, Seb. Like you should lecture me about integrity.
I'm not lecturing you about integrity -- I'm pointing out that your behavior is (or has been, given that my first comment is still there) inconsistent with the "principle" you claim to follow in this post about making the past disappear.
Still, it's nice to know I lack integrity in your eyes.
Posted by: Sadly, No! at November 17, 2004 09:32 AM (Hr4e3)
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Seb, I feel a sense of duty to leave
my own words unaltered. I feel absolutely no responsibility to give you free reign here on my website. You post plenty of nasty comments about me on your own blog; isn't that enough?
Posted by: Sarah at November 17, 2004 09:55 AM (FyW95)
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After reading SSGT Fitts' words myself, my mind immediately flew to Tom Hanks' CPT Miller in "Private Ryan", just after their raid on the machine gun nest by the radar station, and his squad's medic gets killed.
Certainly he was hard. He was cold. Brutal, even. Until he removed himself from his men. Then do we see what he (and ALL Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, and Sailors) is really made of. It really is about love. Fitts loves those for whom he is responsible. I have no doubt that he also loved CPT Sims (I speculate, admittedly). But he merely applied the lesson 1LT Tommy Franks had to be taught so long ago: A leader cannot aford to show emotion until the battle is over. May the Lord be with Mrs. Sims and her (no, THEIR) son; may He continue to be with SSGT Fitts, and ALL those who are laying down their lives for us.
Posted by: Jim Shawley at November 17, 2004 01:44 PM (CnYsu)
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What I read sounded remarkably like the Sergeant in Basic who kept drumming on the theme "You people spread out; one hand grenade will get you all."
No meaning other than don't get careless.
Posted by: homebru at November 17, 2004 06:52 PM (d31un)
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SSG FITTS
Some people thought I was too hard on SSG Fitts. Here's what SSG Fitts
said, right after CPT Sims was killed:
"The CO is dead," he rasped, "and I'll tell you why. They were just a gaggle walking into some house. They weren't clearing the building properly before going in. We were doing that, and that's why we're living. Do not let your guard down here, or you'll be the next one dead."
I can only speak as a military wife, since I've never been a soldier. My comments may not reflect the military take on things. But I don't think what SSG Fitts said was a reflection of respect or loyalty.
I know that statements like these are made about the out-group: one company might pump themselves up by saying they're better/smarter/more hooah than another company, or platoon to platoon or battalion to battalion. However, I think it comes across as extremely crass when it's done within the in-group, especially right after a death and in front of a reporter! I don't know what tone of voice SSG Fitts used, but it doesn't sound to me like he's trying to scare the men into be safe; it sounds like he's boasting that he was smarter than the CO and that's why he's still alive. It sounds awful, in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I hear awful statements quite frequently. In my job, I work with only enlisted soldiers, and after a year, the comments about officers have started to wear me down. According to many NCOs, officers are unnecessary and worthless. Once when some of my students found out that my husband is an officer, they said, "At least please tell us that he's prior enlisted!" The look of disgust on these NCO faces when they learned he was ROTC was obvious. "I hate lieutenants," one of them said. Gee, thanks. Right before 1ID deployed, the 1SG stood up in front of our FRG and said, "The CO cares about the mission; I care about the men." Nice statement, thanks. Officers are apparently promotion-hungry morons who should just sit in the rear and let the real men take care of the company. Statements like this get made all the time, so when SSG Fitts paints the CO as a lollygagger who got his dumb ass shot, it makes me mad.
But I read this article as a wife. Maybe soldiers don't pay as much attention to these remarks -- though I don't see how constant griping about how dumb the LTs are wouldn't have an effect on unit cohesion -- and maybe I'm just being over-sensitive. But wives read these articles. Mrs. Sims is printing and saving everything written about her husband to make a scrapbook so that someday her son can learn about his father. Do you think she wants that nasty comment by SSG Fitts in her memories? Look, son, this "combat-hardened NCO" says that your daddy was a screw-up. We family members don't want to read that; shame on SSG Fitts for saying it and shame on the reporter for printing it.
Imagine your spouse gets killed in a car accident. Then imagine that the newspaper writes an article about the accident and interviews a witness who says, "If the driver hadn't been swerving around like a madman and had been more responsible, he/she might still be alive today!" How would that make you feel, to read that about your own spouse? Now imagine the witness was a close friend, someone who should show respect and loyalty. That's how I as a spouse read that article. CPT Sims and SSG Fitts worked together. From everything I've heard, CPT Sims was one of the most respected COs on this post. I think SSG Fitts should've shown more tact and respect in the moments after CPT Sims was killed.
My two cents: take it for what it's worth.
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Sarah,
As for the "The CO cares about the mission, I care about the people" statement:
When I went through officer training, one of the things they stressed was that was an officer, your primary motivating factor must always be to complete the mission. Your number two goal will be to take care of your people. BUT - your people should always feel that they are at the top.
It is not that officers are selfish, and only looking to get ahead - but that the military has a mission - and we can never be so risk averse that we will not risk, god forbid, the death of our troops to complete the mission. We will make every effort to protect our people, and hopefully try to take no foolish actions which will needlessly risk the lives of our troops.
From what I've seen (albeit not much), the enlisted Army hates officers. It's hard to believe, but enlisted Marines seem to hate officers even more.
If you think it's tough being an Army LT - try being an AF LT in a flight suit on an Army post. Most soldiers would rather commit suicide than salute you.
Posted by: S at November 17, 2004 06:39 PM (swRUK)
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I feel for you, LT S. There's definite military branch animosity.
My problem with that statement is not the Army priorities that it reflects, but the way it was said...and in front of a bunch of enlisted wives. To me, it sends a bad message: the CO doesn't care about your husbands or your families. It just rubbed me the wrong way.
Posted by: Sarah at November 18, 2004 01:54 AM (bdu13)
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In the AF, most likely that kind of statement wouldn't be made.
From my very, very, very limited exposure to the Army, it seems there is a tendency away from suger-coating things, even for dependants. Including making unnecessary statements to show how tough they are and to make allusions to how little the officers care.
In the end Sarah, as you've experienced first hand, the great majority of officers are focused on their unit and the enlisted members. At least you can be confident in knowing your husband and his fellow officers are caring for their soldiers, regardless of what others say.
Posted by: S at November 18, 2004 03:35 PM (swRUK)
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Sarah,
As an experienced "Army Brat" (child of enlisted) and "Enlisted Spouse", I can completely understand how you can feel like enlisteds hate officers. Growing up the rivalry even existed between the children of officers and enlisted. The basis for this rivalry had no real basis, other than we had heard it from adults in our community, so it must be so.
Now that I have grown and matured, I have come to see what it all boils down toÂ…Experience or Education! In the military of the past officers were often college educated while enlisted people were not, thus beginning the endless argument of who is better.
In todayÂ’s Army the argument of old doesnÂ’t necessarily applyÂ…Â…Â…Â…many enlisted have degrees as well and many officers have gained valuable experience very quickly, due to excessive deployments.
Overall, I feel that neither experience or education is more valuable than the other, both are needed for the military and individuals succeed in life.
In the case of SSG FittsÂ…Â…while I understand his need to rally his men after such devastation, his timing and audience SUCKED! He should have thought twice about his choice of words, especially in front of a reporter.
Lastly, where was Public Affairs? How could they allow something like this to be printedÂ….isnÂ’t it their job?
My heart goes out to Mrs. Sims and her familyÂ…Â…officer or enlistedÂ….he was, above all a man, a husband, a son and a father. God bless you all!
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November 16, 2004
DEPRESSION? REALLY...
Dear therapy-seekers in Florida,
I understand that some of you are upset that Kerry lost the election. I would've been pretty upset if President Bush had lost as well. I would've been down in the dumps. I would've been concerned for our nation's future. I would've wanted to gripe about it to my friends. I might've cried for a brief moment. I understand it's a big deal. But now we have a group of you seeking therapy for your depression, which they've given the catchy name of Post Election Selection Trauma.
You want to know what depression is? Spend the weekend mourning your friend's husband. Sit on her sofa trying to chitchat and ignore the lump that's rising in your throat. Watch her child playing with car keys, oblivious to the sorrow in the room. Take time off of work to go to a memorial service for four brave men who were killed over the weekend. And then come talk to me about depression.
One of my students wrote something this week about America being the "land of the too-free", that people in the US have it so good that they don't even know what real problems and suffering look like. He's dead on. I'd like some of you Post Election Selection Trauma patients to spend a day in Mrs. Sims' shoes and then tell me what real depression feels like.
Grow up, people.
P.S. And while we're on the topic of "things that burn me up", I hope I never meet the disrespectful and disgusting SSG Fitts. CPT Sims' wife read that article, you bastard.
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Apparently others felt the same about the article...the link is now gone.
Posted by: Mike at November 16, 2004 04:37 PM (MqNKC)
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Here's another link. Same article made the Washington Times.
http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041115-124042-4702r.htm
Posted by: Oda Mae at November 16, 2004 05:07 PM (x5UFE)
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Sarah - Don't jump on SSG Fitts, he did not write the article. He was just a good NCO taking advantage of an error in judgement by another to warm his soldiers not to make the same mistake - his actions could well have saved the life of one or more of his troopers. Direct your feelings toward the reporter who wrote the first article. Any good NCO worth his salt and concerned about the welfare of his soldiers or mariners should have done the same thing as SSG Fitts. enough said !!
Posted by: bob at November 16, 2004 08:19 PM (e48LF)
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Sarah,
Bob is right. You can't fault SSG Fitts for being a good NCO and instructing his troops to not make the same mistakes as others. I also fail to see the disrespect - respecting your officers, living or dead, does not mean ignoring their mistakes, which are bound to happen in war.
We can only remember fondly our dead comrades, and make sure we don't lose any more friends the same way.
LT S
Posted by: S at November 16, 2004 08:44 PM (swRUK)
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I am not in the military, but I took sergent Fitts' remarks in the same way. He was trying to shock his men into being more careful, not gloating over the death of your friend.
When I was in charge of large groups of employees years ago, I occasionally said similiar things to get their attention. Today I am a lawyer, and while I no longer manage many employees, I sometimes use similar tactics when counseling my clients. Even experienced business exectives sometimes don't appreciate the danger of litigation. They begin thinking of it as a bunch of paperwork and meetings, and don't realize that there may be very serious consequence. When I see this happening, I lay out the potential consequences -- jail time, bankruptcy, etc. -- in graphic detail in order to shock them into cooperation. Nothing gets someone's attention like the word "jail," and it looks like the sergent was using "death" in a smiliar manner in a setting with even higher stakes. It seems like he had good intentions.
Posted by: Joe Schmoe at November 16, 2004 10:47 PM (lMk5r)
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First of all, it is not always a mistake that gets you killed in war. Sometimes it's just bad luck. Another soldier was killed when an RPG was fired in his vehicle. The soldier in the vehicle next to him did not. Is that second soldier smarter? Better? No, just a luckier SOB.
People who know Sean know he was one of the best commanders on post. Even other commanders spoke of him with respect and admiration. He would not have casually strolled in the building with a "gaggle" of soldiers, like he was taking a tour. Google his name and read other articles quoting him. This man was OUTSTANDING.
How much harder would it have been for the SSG to say "Stay sharp! There are still hostiles out there, they even got the CO! We're not done fighting yet!"
What he said was WRONG. And it caused unnecessary pain to his wife. The guy's a putz. Wanker.
Sean was UNLUCKY. I hate to tell SSG Fitts this, but I don't think every casualty in Iraq was caused by the soldier's mistake, although thinking that clearly brings him comfort. (Step on a crack, break your mother's back, if I do everything JUST RIGHT, the bullets will fly right past me.)
I just hope the guy redeems himself by writing a letter to the editor explaining himself. And, heads up, imbedded reporter. CPT Sims was the hardened fighter, not the SSG.
Posted by: Oda Mae at November 17, 2004 02:25 AM (U42UN)
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This is just to clarify that this SSG that everyone keeps coming down on was misquoted! His comment was not at all in reference to Cpt Sims not doing his job. His job as a NCO is to train his soldiers and keep them safe. He did that. Everyone reads this misquote thinking he is some kind of jerk that is putting down a fellow soldier when that was not at all the case. No one seems to point out that this is a soldier who after being shot 3 times in April returned in August to be back with these guys. A man who felt the need to protect his guys and be with them every step of the way. He has now just become the man that everyone loves to hate. I think it is time to remember that not everything you read is fact.
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November 15, 2004
QUIET
For two weeks, my house had a built-in comedian. Today I realized the house is too quiet and there's no one to talk to.
(Thank goodness for fad.)
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November 14, 2004
FUTURE
Over the past two weeks, the husband and I talked a lot about the future. We talked about where we'd like our next duty station to be. The husband started studying for the GMAT. We talked about making the final payment on our car, our cruise that's scheduled for May, and my job prospects for next year. On Saturday night, we cracked open a bottle of cheap champagne to celebrate our good fortune and bright future. And then the phone rang.
CPT Sean Sims was killed in Iraq.
We don't know CPT Sims personally, but I know his wife and infant son fairly well. I couldn't believe the news. As we sat there, the champagne soured and our future started to look a bit more precarious...making our last 24 hours bleak and somber. I couldn't stop thinking about the Sims family for the rest of our weekend. She's going through the worst possible thing that will ever happen to her, and all I could think of is what every military wife understands: it could just as easily be happening to me. All of our worst fears are materializing for someone I care about, and there's nothing I can do about it. In the end, all I could do was snuggle under my husband's arm and cry, cry for a baby who will never know his father and a wife who will go through hell. Our weekend took an ugly turn, but we faced it together, choked down the rest of the champagne, and went to sleep in our bed for the last night in a while.
I just dropped him off at the bus. Our future is uncertain, but at least we know we made the most out of the two weeks we just had.
MORE:
Let's avoid registration:
Company commander dies on Fallujah mission
By TOM LASSETER
Knight Ridder Newspapers
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Capt. Sean Sims was up early Saturday, looking at maps of Fallujah and thinking of the day's battle. His fingers, dirty and cracked, traced a route that snaked down the city's southern corridor.
"We've killed a lot of bad guys," he said. "But there's always going to be some guys left. They'll hide out and snipe at us for two months. I hope we've gotten the organized resistance."
Sims, a 32-year-old from Eddy, Texas, commanded his Alpha Company without raising his voice. His men liked and respected him. When faced with a broken down vehicle or rocket propelled grenades exploding outside, he'd shake his head a little and say, in his mellow drawl, "We'll be OK. This'll work out."
When he noticed that one of his soldiers, 22-year-old Arthur Wright, wasn't getting any care packages from home, Sims arranged for his wife, a school teacher, to have her students send cards and presents.
Sitting in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle that was pocked by shrapnel from five days of heavy fighting, Sims figured he and his men - of the 1st Infantry Division's Task Force 2-2 - had maybe three or four days left before returning to base.
They were in southwest Fallujah, where pockets of hardcore gunmen were still shooting from houses connected by labyrinths of covered trench lines and low rooftops.
A CNN crew came by, and Sims' men led them around the ruins, showing them the bombed-out buildings and bodies of insurgents that had been gnawed on by neighborhood dogs and cats.
The father of an infant son, Sims was still trying to get over the death of his company's executive officer, Lt. Edward Iwan, a 28-year-old from Albion, Neb., who'd been shot through the torso the night before with an RPG.
"It's tough. I don't know what to think about it yet," he said slowly, searching for words. "All of this will be forever tainted because we lost him."
Shaking off the thought, he threw on his gear and went looking for houses to clear.
A group of rebels was waiting. They'd been sleeping for days on dirty mats and blankets, eating green peppers and dates from plastic tubs. They spied on soldiers who occupied nearby houses without knowing the enemy was so close, watching and waiting.
When Sims and his men came through the front door, gunfire raged for a few minutes. Two soldiers were hit near the shoulder and rushed out by the man next to them.
Crouching by a wall outside, Sgt. Randy Laird screamed into his radio, "Negative, I cannot move, we're pinned down right now! We have friendlies down! Friendlies down!"
The 24-year-old from Lake Charles, La., crouched down on a knee, sweating and waiting for help.
A line of troops ran up, taking cover from the bullets. They shot their way into the house.
Sims lay on a kitchen floor, his blood pouring across dirty tile. An empty tea pot sat on nearby concrete stairs. A valentine heart, drawn in red with an arrow through it, perched on the cabinet.
His men gasped. There was no life in his eyes.
"He's down," Staff Sgt. Thorsten Lamm, 37, said in the heavy brogue of his native Germany.
"Shut the (expletive) up about him being dead," yelled back Sgt. Joseph Alvey, 23, of Emid, Oklahoma. "Just shut the (expletive) up."
The men sprinted to a rubble-strewn house to get a medic.
The company's Iraqi translator, who goes by Sami, was waiting. He asked, "Is he in there? Is he there?"
He tried running out of the door with his AK-47 ready. As men held him back, he fell down against a wall, crying into his hands.
When the troops rushed back, they lifted Sims' body into a pile of blankets and carried it into the closest Bradley.
Six soldiers and a reporter piled in after, trying not to step on the body.
In Baghdad, interim Minister of State for national security Qasim Daoud had announced that the city of Fallujah was now under control.
In the surrounding neighborhood, troops furious at the news of their fallen leader called in revenge, in the form of a 2,000 pound bomb airstrike and a storm of 155 millimeter artillery shells. A mosque lost half a minaret, its main building smoldering in fire and smoke.
In the back of the Bradley with Sims' body, no one spoke.
The only sound was Wright sobbing in the darkness.
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Good luck, and be strong. I am wishing you and your man all the very best.
Posted by: Dominic at November 15, 2004 07:22 AM (uyRJS)
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Sarah - I am truly sorry for the loss of that man for his wife and son. I hope you enjoyed every second of your two weeks with your husband. It is the families of the soldier's that sacrifice the most for their service and being grateful (we are) isn't enough - but it's all we've got to give. Although it may be difficult - you should offer a shoulder to that woman who indeed is suffering and bewildered. It might not seem like much - but I'm sure she needs the support. God bless you.
Posted by: Kathleen A at November 15, 2004 07:28 AM (vnAYT)
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Was enjoying your latest entry, until. Then you drop-kicked me right in the stomach.
A nice, good evangelical prayer seems so insufficient, now, and when I cannot form the words, I sometimes reach into the liturgy:
"Kyrie eleison, Christa eleison, Kyrie elieson." (Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy.)
That is all I can pray on behalf of CAPT Sims' wife and her (THEIR!!) son. I continue remembering you, Sarah, and your husband, too. Be safe, sir. Be strong, Sarah.
Grace and peace be yours,
Jim
Posted by: Jim Shawley at November 15, 2004 01:31 PM (CnYsu)
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God bless you both. Be strong Sarah. Many people are praying for you and we are aching for the young mother and child. May God comfort them and you.
Posted by: Pamela at November 15, 2004 06:57 PM (AOFgp)
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Mark Levin read the piece about Captain Sims in its entirety on WABC radio tonight. No words can console his widow. I hope she and their son find peace in knowing what a wonderful man he was. He made the ultimate sacrifice for them, for you and for me. I shall never forget that.
Posted by: Jim - PRS at November 15, 2004 10:40 PM (BjDAE)
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Strength---courage---vision. Please tell Mrs Sims that her husband is a hero---his service has made our world a better, safer place. Small comfort, right now, but true.
Damn.
Posted by: david at November 16, 2004 12:36 AM (ZVhuO)
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My prayers go out to the wife and family of CPT Sims.
Sarah, my prayers and strength go out to you as well. The only thing you can do right now is be there for her, she's going to need all the support she can get.
I was in your shoes 2 weeks ago, I pray I'm never there again.
Stay strong and take care of you.
Tink
Posted by: Tink at November 16, 2004 05:50 AM (S6VXg)
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The Sims family, those in harm's way, and those who love them, will be in our prayers when we put our son to bed tonight.
Posted by: LMC at November 16, 2004 04:50 PM (61/Yb)
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Sarah:
I'm so sorry. This stuff just hits so hard.
I used to be more resilient, but lately it seems each time I hear a familiar name it hurts more, not less.
Hold your husband extra long the next time you see him. The only upside I've been able to see in all of this is that it makes me appreciate every second, see so much more clearly everything we have that is worth preserving.
We are
so very lucky.
God bless you, hon.
Posted by: Cassandra at November 17, 2004 08:15 AM (289B8)
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CPT Sims was a great man to work with and had the respect and admiration of his soldiers, NCOs and Officers. Prayers to his wife and infant son. May the find comfort soon. CPT Sims has made the ultimate sacrifice. HE WILL NOT BE FOGOTTEN!
Posted by: SFC Brosch at November 19, 2004 06:18 AM (RdIXW)
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ARAFAT
I mentioned I'd like to write something about Arafat, and the wife has been bugging me to keep my word. I don't think I could add very much new information on how vile the man is, but I thought I would offer a few observations. I'm only 24 years old. I paid pretty close attention to the news growing up. We weren't an overly political household but we stayed well informed. My only memories of Arafat and the PLO are the historic and now failed peace agreements done during the Clinton Administration. People my age have no political memory of Yasser Arafat or the PLO pre 1993. For me and all the other twenty-somethings who wave Palestinian flags and rant about the Likudniks who are responsible for the squalor the Palestinians live in, Yasser Arafat has only been a political leader. Sure, since 2000, he might be complicit in terror attacks. He could have done more to stop the EU aid-receiving Hizbollah jihadists, but with Bush and his proxy Sharon tearing everything up, can you blame those poor Palestinians? After all he is an elected leader. More elected than Bushitler no doubt, we 1980s born know-it-alls quip.
What most young people don't remember is that before 1993, Arafat was synonymous with terrorism. The PLO was a guerilla organization very much like Al Qaeda. Here are just a few highlights of President and Nobel Laureate Arafat and his PLO merry pranksters in the '70s and '80s.
8,000 individual acts of terrorism between 1969-1985 alone.
The massacre of 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics.
The attack on the Maalot grade school that killed 21 children.
The hijacking of four airplanes in the 1970Â’s and an Italian Cruise Ship in 1985.
The man who had been exiled from both Egypt and Jordan was invited to Oslo in 1993 from his exile in Tunis, to sit down with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. Here, the Osama Bin Laden of the '70s and '80s was given his own autonomous region to govern and a workable roadmap to getting a completely independent nation. I could go on about the numerous failed opportunities in the '90s, but they are so numerous I won't even name them. It is an almost undisputable fact that Arafat was offered 97% of the West Bank and all of the Gaza strip and on behalf of the Palestinian people replied, "NO. All or nothing."
I think we all know how that turned out. And what has Arafat, as the leader of the autonomous Palestinian territory, managed to amass besides failed opportunities in his ten years at the helm? Oh, about $7 billion! Estimates vary from $300 million to $7 billion, but he's no doubt worth a fortune. Since the 1970s, the PLO has been receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from Arab states and many other western nations. I don't know the exact numbers but it would make a nice shame graph for an ambitious blogger.
This man, who used the plight of the Palestinian people in Refugee camps as political capital, has wealth measured in billions. And yet, he was lauded by Western diplomats and journalists. An anchorwoman for the BBC reported his death with tears in her eyes. Nearly every Foreign Minister in Europe attended his funeral.
Yes, I'm well aware of his George Washington status with the Palestinians. He was powerful human symbol and forceful advocate; Palestinians united behind him in their pursuit of a homeland--or so says Jimmy Carter. I can think of another powerful advocate who rallied a humiliated people to a great pursuit. He felt the same way about Jews as Arafat.
Are we so afraid to call it like it is? Will Osama Bin Laden someday sit down with an American president to negotiate the withdrawal of troops from Saudi Arabia? Arafat has proven that you can move from terrorist to statesmen. He was able to do so because we allowed it. "Give peace a chance" is a really comfortable slogan. When facing a monster, it can me more comfortable to listen to him than to fight him.
I would just as soon homosexuals have every right that I do. I don't really care about abortion. I'm not crazy about the Patriot Act but I'm a one issue voter. And President Bush and I agree on one thing: this, while certainly tragic, is preferable to this.
-- the husband
MORE TO GROK:
Update from Sarah: If you seek his monument, look around you.
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Arafat despite his protestations to the otherwise never really wanted an autonomouos state. Hard to blame the west and the Israeli's for your inability to build an infrastructure. I am not afraid to call it as I see it. As I pointed out in the comments to another post, terrorism is not truely defeatable. At least until we're willing to address
the "draining of the swamp of poverty and social injustice where the mosquitoes that are terrorists breed". (Quote by of all people Pat Robertson). Until that day however; you at best contain and, limit it.
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Husband: I salute your service---be safe---Sarah is doing a great job with words what you are doing with bullets.
Posted by: david at November 14, 2004 01:22 PM (ZVhuO)
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Godspeed to you, Sarah's husband.
Posted by: annika at November 14, 2004 02:15 PM (vfqlz)
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May God bless and keep you and bring you home safely to Sarah. Thank you and take care.
Posted by: Pamela at November 14, 2004 05:05 PM (AOFgp)
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I raise my glass to you sir. For your and your words.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 14, 2004 08:49 PM (U3CvV)
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S's husband,
Well said, and more importantly, let me say thank you for your service. We are proud of you and the men and women in Iraq and the Stan and every other member of our armed forces.
We are also proud of the Sarah's of the world and your Sarah in particular.
Godspeed, buddy.
Posted by: Jim - PRS at November 14, 2004 09:47 PM (BjDAE)
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Very well written. Thanks for your service and your words.
And Sarah, thanks for all your good work over the last many months.
I've linked this post.
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This is just one more reason we're proud of our son-in-law. Well-written article. Stay safe. We love you.
Husband's In-laws
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We too add our thanks to both of you - for your service, sacrifice and willingness to stand the line for the rest of us. We honor that daily, and appreciate reading this blog - we are simply a family in the heartland of this great country you represent who pray for you daily - Godspeed, and thanks again!
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November 12, 2004
DEAD
Though I haven't mentioned it, I'm well aware that Arafat will be pushing up the daisies soon. Except he'll be encased in concrete instead of in his family's plot sleeping under a
pile of garbage and filth for eternity, which would be sweet justice. Regardless of where the old terrorist's bones reside, our household was thrilled. I haven't blogged about it because the husband is formulating an Arafat post that will be up sometime before he leaves this weekend. Stay tuned...
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VETERANS
When most of us think of Veterans, we think of the beginning scenes of
Saving Private Ryan, the elderly man walking through the white crosses in France. But there's a new face for Veterans these days, a baby face, on soldiers much younger than even I.
Our vets come in all shapes and sizes these days, some of them born as recently as 1986. Yet they're just as distinguished as vets such as my grandfather. Take the time to visit some Milblogs today and pay tribute to the many vets we have out in the 'sphere.
As for me, I'm gonna go hug my favorite vet right now.
The Big Red One has put together a video tribute to our Veterans through the ages. It's also dedicated to CSM Faulkenburg, a Soldier from our post who was killed in Fallujah this week.
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And pass along my thanks to your vet!
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I am so proud to be connected, even as a civilian, with this great team. Thanks, Sarah, that was wonderful.
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I watched the video with tears in my eyes--tears for the loss of Sargeant Major Faulkenberg and tears for the sacrifice my son-in-law is making for our country. He is so intelligent and shows such fine leadership ability that I know the Big Red 1 is fortunate to have him and the other fine young men serving in Operation Iraqi Freedom. I'm thankful that my daughter appreciates and respects her husband's convictions. God bless all the soldiers and veterans of First I.D. and SM Faulkenberg's family during this difficult time.
Sarah's mom
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November 10, 2004
SORRY
So apparently a lot of hippies are taking
photos of their signs, saying they're sorry that Bushitler was re-elected. I've made my own photo to show what I'm sorry for.
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Great sign! My sentiments too!
Posted by: Nancy at November 10, 2004 06:22 PM (YuW6k)
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Cute. this site is now rated PG-13. Don't think I can bring the class here.
Posted by: mary at November 10, 2004 09:58 PM (poXKw)
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Great pic of you. I might add to the sign "we and the UN didn't finish....."
Posted by: Toni at November 10, 2004 10:29 PM (0Zfu9)
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My sentiments exactly! Great post.
Posted by: Jim Shawley at November 11, 2004 01:49 AM (XyKf3)
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Excellent -- I share your sentiments, Sarah.
ps - Great picture!
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November 08, 2004
FRUSTRATION
I've been getting more and more fed up with all the "reasons" President Bush won the election. Everyone who voted for him was supposedly a knuckle-dragging mouthbreather who only put down his Bible and klan robe long enough to vote for a chimp. I've been getting really irritated this week.
And then I read Deskmerc. Exactly.
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Wow. I can sympathize. I myself am sick to my teeth of reading about all the reasons that Kerry lost. I'm sick of hearing high profile Republicans gloat in a manner most unbecoming over their win, and I'm especially tired of being portrayed as an unpatriotic tree-hugging, welfare-gettin', morally bankrupt leech on the ass of American society.
Let's face it: stereotypes suck.
Posted by: . at November 09, 2004 02:34 AM (4kcrg)
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People need to chill out. i watched a media symposium on CSPAN tonight. Some of the audience questions were very troubling. There is real fear out there, irrational fear, that religious zealots are going to turn this country into a Christian Iran. i don't understand it, that's never going to happen. But i'm afraid of the anti-religious backlash that is probably going to result from this kind of mass hysteria, which is being fueled by the media.
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The more that they sink their head in the sand, and believe that it was fundamentalist crusaiding christians that won the elections, the less they are going to understand the shift in this country, and the more marginalized they will become.
It's not our job to fix our opponents, let them sink themselves.
Posted by: John at November 09, 2004 07:33 AM (crTpS)
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I feel your pain. Here is a little nugget of truth to consider the next time someone says Bush supporters are idiots.
Gallup final pre-election poll data show that...
58% of college graduates(no postgrad)voted Bush
47% of postgrads voted Bush
56% of those with some college voted Bush
Link
-D
Posted by: Don at November 09, 2004 12:17 PM (zvtzh)
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Oh do you have to throw something as dirty as statistics at us? I mean really now, you shouldn't assume that just because someone's graduated from college that they're necessarily intelligent. I know plenty of morons with degrees.
Posted by: . at November 09, 2004 01:50 PM (4kcrg)
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And plenty of morons with graduate degrees. Most of them teach.
Posted by: Mike at November 09, 2004 01:58 PM (MqNKC)
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I'm one of those knuckle-draggin', Bible-thumpin' Neanderthal Protestant Evangelical Fundamentalists what thunks that all you-uns should be in church at least three times a week, or you will all be doomed. Of course, never miss any of the revival meetings, or else. My wife is barefoot and pregnant with our 48th child, whose wi ar homskulin.
OK. Enough sarcasm. Seriously, surfing all the epithets that have been cast at all of us who attend on at least a weekly--or more often--basis a local Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Nazarine, Assembly, Full Gospel, &c, &c, &c church, has me realizing that Jesus Himself couldn't "unite" this country.
At the risk of being burned for heresy, I hold that there are indeed limits to the capabilities of my Southern Baptist God: There are those whom He cannot change, for they will to hate. Listening to Lawrence O'Donnell, Bill Mahr, and others (indeed, even Carl Bernstein on Scarborough) makes me wonder what kind of nation my granddaughter will grow up in. Will those "Creator" phrases in our Declaration of Independance be expunged from all our school textbooks, Will the historical record of our founding fathers' individual and corporate faith be found to be unconstitutional to discuss in a classroom setting (oh, wait--ask any Am. Gov. teacher today, and he (or she) will unequivocately state that a de facto ban already exists, by virtue of the threat of litigation)?
And the hypocracy of the left! When Clinton (mis)quoted St. Paul's first letter to the churches in Corinth, Greece ("seared--seared in my memory" are these words from his '92 nomination acceptance speech: "The Scriptures say, 'eye has not seen, ear has not heard, neither has it entered into the mind of man [here he mis-quotes] what we can build'"), when Barak Obama gets up in the 2004 Democratic Convention and says, "Our God is an awesome God!" (title of a popular Christian chorus), Kerry getting up and "preaching" in pulpits of various Baptist (and other denominations) churches (followed by, from the pulpit, explicit endorsements by those churches' pastors of Kerry--in direct contravention of the IRS law LBJ got passed)--but if GW paraphrases the Declaration ("freedom is a gift from the Almighty"), and all the Pavlovian knee-jerks hit the airwaves. Go figure.
And please, another thing: Nobody. N.O.B.O.D.Y. in the religious right, wacko, 6,000 year-old creationist/Armageddon/Ark of the Covenant hidden under the al-Aqsa mosque, new temple being built in Jerusalem/Apocalypse Bible-thumping community ever--not never no how--brought up the gay marriage issue. NONE OF US DID. So don't blame us. WE did not force the Taxachusetts Supreme Judicial Court to force Kerry's state--WE did not issue illegal (under California state law) marriage licenses. So don't blame us. It ain't our fault. We were willing to live and let live.
Forgive me for being so ragged out. But I have become weary. Weary of ALWAYS being required to justify my very existance in this nation which, recalling ALL the organic founding documents, once acknowledged the existence of a Being Who, through "Divine Providence", made us a great nation. But we are going to throw it all away, and make ourselves a clone of Old Europe (and of France--no scarves or crucifixes, you remember).
You two keep having a good time. I'll keep praying for your safety.
Jim
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OOPS! hypocrisy. -5pts, spelling. Shows that we evangelicals really are ignorant.
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November 07, 2004
SNOW
We had a great weekend, and it dumped snow on us all day today.
That's a story for my husband to tell back in Iraq!
More later. Isn't Arafat dead yet?
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Good to hear you had a great time with your husband. I'm sure every moment of it was memorable.
Posted by: Big Mama at November 08, 2004 03:04 AM (FmIVz)
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I love reading your posts and the replies from everyone. It makes for good reading with plenty of entertainment. Keep up the good work!
Good to hear you had such a great time with your husband. I'm sure every moment was memorable.
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Glad you had a great time. I think Arafat's dead and they're playing the Palestinian version of Weekend at Bernie's now. Plus rumor has it he's the only one with the codes to his Swiss Bank accounts and they were needing those to get his $$ (you know the money meant to help the Palestinian people?). Oh well.
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November 05, 2004
VACATION
The husband and I are leaving today for a weekend at the
Edelweiss Lodge and Resort in Garmisch. They have a great R&R package, and everyone who's already been has said it's beautiful there. We'll be away from the computer, but I can take a few days off now that the election is over.
Don't do anything fun without me!
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Oh, Garmisch! Kiddo, you are in for a treat! Dress warm!
Make a side trip to Salzburg if you can, it's well worth it.
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Have a great trip and tell your husband, Thank You.
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Hope you had a wonderful trip to Garmisch. Always stayed in the American hotels when I went, but I understand they are closed now. It's been 17 yrs since I've been there. I'm a veteran of the 1st Gulf War and I want to thank your husband, and yes, the job should have been finished in '91. I bet Schwartzkopf says "I told you so" every day.
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November 03, 2004
UNVEILING
My icing skills have definitely improved since
the last cake -- it helps when you read the instructions and you make frosting instead of drizzle -- so this one is actually legible.
I decided to make a pro-Bush instead of an anti-Kerry cake when I saw how quickly Kerry conceded. I respect him for not dragging it out, and I actually feel sorry for him. He was a man who geared his whole life towards running for president one day, and I feel sorry for him that his dream never materialized. I'm relieved he's not our President, but I feel and respect his disappointment.
Arafat's fair game though.
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I'm afraid I don't feel the least bit sorry for Kerry. All his life, he wanted to be President -- that's true. But he didn't want to be President because he loved America as it
is... he wanted to be President because he thought he had the right to change it into something he thought it
should be. Thankfully, enough people saw through his media-aided sidestepping of every issue that was important to them, and rejected him.
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That's a pretty noble sentiment, Sarah.
I can also agree with you on another point: while I can understand Kerry's disappointment, I really can't wait for Arafat to meet his maker.
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Ironically enough - the re-election of Bush and the death off Arafat will likely mean a Palestinian state before Bush leaves office.
How about this for icing on Sarah's cake?
A democratic government in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the establishment of permanent peace between Israel and Palestinians resulting in a Nobel Peace Prize for W!
Eat your heart out Clinton! LOL! :-)
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at November 03, 2004 08:44 PM (tMBPA)
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Can we not get past the bickering now?? It is going to take both sides reaching out which I feel both candidates did today. There are 48% of the votes who felt Kerry had what it took. It is obvious that many who come here do not feel that way. But as a once Kerry supporter, I will now support this President in the next 4 years. But please let's don't start the Kerry bashing again. Kerry did not drag this election out but conceded to Bush. If Bush can do everything he said over the campaign then many will be happy.
Posted by: ME at November 03, 2004 10:13 PM (W5nSP)
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Better reason not to be anti-Kerry: He's old news. Let's move on, we have a war to win!
Posted by: David Boxenhorn at November 04, 2004 05:43 AM (BPc6m)
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Whats the deal with both sides reaching out? Forgettaboutit! GW tried that the first time and was skewered by the Democrats. I'd say the loser needs to do the reaching out as long as the winner is gracious about it. I see no signs of the losers doing this. They already are saying that GW did not win the election with a mandate. They are still saying Bush is stooopid. I say it's time for the Republicans to ram thru as much as they can while they have the opportunity because that's exactly what the Democrats would do if the situation were reversed. BTW - today is the official DAY OF GLOATING for Republicans. We get one day to do this and then it's get to work.
Posted by: Toni at November 04, 2004 09:00 AM (SHqVu)
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Toni is right. Dubya did lots of reaching out and had his hand slapped.
Time for the other side to try reaching out. I just hope they wipe their hands, first.
Posted by: Mike at November 04, 2004 09:56 AM (MqNKC)
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I'd say the center has shifted towards the republicans. The dems only hope is to follow the center, as Clinton did. If they do not, the reps will rule for quite a while.
Posted by: John at November 04, 2004 01:14 PM (+Ysxp)
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The title of your blog belies your level of intelligence. Change the title of your blog or grow some intelligence.
Your husband was in Iraq and you still voted for Bush...what sort of idiot are you?
Posted by: Dave Buster at November 04, 2004 02:31 PM (xa1gV)
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Dave, grow up. Sarah is both well-informed and intelligent. She knows exactly what's important. That's why she voted for Bush.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 04, 2004 02:56 PM (+S1Ft)
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Buster,
Your assumptions about Sarah's intelligence only serve to point out that you have assumed something, not that what you have assumed is true.
Posted by: John at November 04, 2004 03:53 PM (+Ysxp)
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Dave -
Many of us are willing to make sacrifices if we are doing something that we believe is important.
I voted for W, even though I'm in the military and it would mean being away from my family and friends - even dying. I know you find it hard to believe, but I do believe in what we are doing in Iraq.
And I would thank you not to make any comments like Michael Moore regarding the "stupid, trigger-pullers forced into the military." I'm a former National Merit scholar, college graduate and VOLUNTEER in the US military.
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You can be intelligent, well-informed, and still wrong.
Those qualities are not mutually exclusive.
"While our troops go out to defend our country, it is incumbent upon us to make the country worth defending."
Which includes removing idiots from power.
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"..removing idiots from power."
Which is why we didn't vote Kerry into office.
So, are you now saying that Sarah is intelligent, well-informed, and wrong?
Please cite examples.
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Right now New Mexico has counted 94% of the votes, and Bush is sitting at 52%.
I'm preheating the oven...
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Hold off on the cake, Kerry/Edwards just announced that the are going to "count all the votes in Ohio".
Posted by: Pamela at November 03, 2004 03:48 AM (AOFgp)
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Iowa, NM, and Nevada are all going for Bush. On top of Ohio, and all the rest that are called at this hour, bush looks to score 286 EV.
4 More Years.
I want cake.
Posted by: John at November 03, 2004 04:30 AM (crTpS)
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Go ahead and bake that cake. The Kerry Whiners are going to drag this out a while. No Tereaaaza in the White House! There is a GOD and he is awesome.
Now go back to your husband. God bless you both.
Williams Family
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Update: I want cake. All of Kerry/Edwards histrionics are not going to change things. The provisional votes in Ohio will not be enough. Four more years. Hoorah.
I hope you and your husband have a wonderful time together. God bless and keep you both.
Posted by: Pamela at November 03, 2004 10:22 AM (AOFgp)
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The media is in Kerry's camp moreso than ever now. Make no mistake, the media would love an extended recount. It's all about the viewers for them, the more controversy, the more they are watched. This is advantageous to Kerry, and you must understand that Kerry's team knows this. They don't even have to collude to understand this about each other.
How ugly can this become?
Posted by: John at November 03, 2004 11:06 AM (+Ysxp)
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Kerry has conceeded, already called Bush.
Posted by: John at November 03, 2004 12:14 PM (+Ysxp)
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You bake that cake, frost it and have yourselve a nice serving.
It's over.
Bush wins.
Thank Goodness.
Now - enjoy the rest of your time w/Hubby.
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November 02, 2004
WHEN DOES HE GET HIS FUNNY HAT?
The cutest thing in the world happened today: my husband applied to join the VFW.
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I teased my brother (good naturedly) to no end when he received his VFW card after GWI.
Posted by: John at November 02, 2004 07:00 AM (crTpS)
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I think that's really cool. It will be great to infuse new blood into the VFW's in the country. I've always wondered though, what's the difference between the VFW and the American Legion? Any clues?
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Toni,
To be eligible for membership in the American Legion, one simply has to serve on active duty during wartime. VFW membership requires serving in a war zone outside the US. More complete membership criteria are listed at the websites for each organization.
DonR - a proud member of both organizations
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I recall my brother joined the one in Lompoc (Santa Maria or whatever) because they had the best bar in town.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at November 02, 2004 03:12 PM (9RG5y)
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I always thought it stood for Very Fuckin' White.
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Anagrams r us,
Your sense of humor is disgusting.
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BLISS
Yes, James, I did have the
unbalanced electric can opener last week. But my husband has so wonderfully distracted me that I actually said, "What happens tomorrow?" when he asked me last night if I was nervous. It feels good to have more important things to think about, like squeezing the life out of Day Four.
Tonight will come and go, and there may or may not be cake afterward, but regardless of what happens, the husband and I will still have Day Five together. Right now, that's a big comfort.
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As I've said, I'm so glad he's home for a while. I'm so glad ya'll have this time together.
But I'm especially glad he's home RIGHT NOW. This post made me smile. This is EXACTLY what you need (overstating the obvious)
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November 01, 2004
HALLOWEEN
There's nothing like an Army post to bring out the trick-or-treaters. We're swarming with kids, not to mention that the Germans bring their kids on post to enjoy this weird American tradition of "giving away free stuff." Some of the German kids didn't even bother to wear costumes, and they gave me a
danke schön when they left, which almost made me want to snatch the candy back. When I'm in your country, I speak German; when you're in my country, taking my free candy, please attempt a
thank you. With or without the difficult -th- sound.
There were some good costumes. Lots of Sponge Bobs and Spidermans. Lots of princesses. A really cool Wolverine, complete with adamantium claws. A blue sweatsuit covered in rubber ducks: a duck pond. And unlike Lileks, I saw a couple of terrorists and Osamas. And lots of Soldiers. I guess it comes with the territory.
Oh yeah, and I'm the awful lady who gives away Tootsie Rolls and Blow Pops and cheapie candy. We got hundreds of kids, and I wasn't about to spend $50 on brand-name candy bars. I managed to make two large bowls of candy last for an hour and forty minutes, thank goodness. I was about to start giving away Pringles...
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Well, at least you had candy. I live where there are nothing but tourists so didn't get any candy at all.
Had the most trick or treaters I've ever had. I gave out cookie packets and puzzle books. I'm afraid to look outside and see what they've done to my house/car. :-)
Posted by: Tammi at November 01, 2004 08:09 AM (UOdfZ)
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I love tootsie rolls personally. It was the homemade popcorn balls that I couldn't stand as a kid, that and rootbeer barrels. Ugh.
Posted by: John at November 01, 2004 08:58 AM (crTpS)
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"when you're in my country, taking my free candy, please attempt a thank you"
I thought you were in Germany, no?
Posted by: Sen at November 01, 2004 04:23 PM (UGEqL)
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Well, at least they said thank you; that's better than no thank you at all. We had tons of kids. A car would pull up in the cul de sac, and the kids would just pile out! The weather cooperated too. Remember the year it snowed on Halloween? I think I have as much fun as the kids do! Your great-grandmother dressed up every Halloween and would answer the door in a costume, and she lived to be 101 yrs. old! I barely had candy left for your dad, and I bought the good stuff--Reese's peanut butter cups, Milky Ways, Hersheys, Three Musketeers, and two big bags of "fat free" (ha) candy!
Love, Your mama
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When you have to show identification to police guards to come onto this land, where goods are bought with dollars and American laws are respected, that's "my country," even if it is located inside of Germany.
Posted by: Sarah at November 02, 2004 02:57 AM (tbDbc)
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Why the fuck don't you leave, Sarah? But please, oh please, don't come within 500 kilometers of Australia. We don't allow imports of toxic waste.
Posted by: Pastor Maker at November 02, 2004 05:54 AM (yktYu)
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Ok, so let me get this straight...
You live in Germany, German kids came to your door where you gave them candy for Halloween, they said thank you, but it wasn't in your preferred language? Do you even realize how asinine you sound?
What's ironic is, Halloween anywhere else in the world isn't anywhere near the scale of the celebration of it in the US. It's even viewed as more as a nuisance than anything to celebrate in some places. Maybe the real problem is that you're expecting your views of other countries to conform to those of the US. Just a thought.
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No, as I stated before, I live in the United States, inconveniently located within the German borders. German people came onto our military post intentionally to trick-or-treat, since it's not popular off-post. They can at least put out the effort to wear some stinking costumes.
And I love the ignorance of someone who asks why I don't "just leave", as if I had any freaking say in the matter. If they released us, I'd leave tomorrow. Tonight if I could get our stuff packed fast enough.
I'll never understand why Seb's still reading my blog.
Posted by: Sarah at November 02, 2004 10:55 AM (jiAFw)
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No you don't. You live in Germany, and if local kids are getting on base to share your American custom, your base housing isn't gates, either.
I did two tours in Germany, and I'm sorry you find yourself 'inconveniently placed' there instead of appreciating the opportunity you have. If you want to wall yourself into your little fantasy America, go for it - but don't expect the local population or your fellow military neighbors to agree with you about it.
What a waste of opportunity. And way to illustrate the Ugly American stereotype.
Posted by: LyndaB at November 02, 2004 11:07 AM (cupk4)
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"Some of the German kids didn't even bother to wear costumes, and they gave me a danke schön when they left, which almost made me want to snatch the candy back."
What a lovely example of the "ugly American" syndrome!
Sorry Sarah; unless you're living in an embassy compound you are on sovereign German soil, not a little piece of America in Germany. You are the guest. Learn to behave like one.
Posted by: A Hermit at November 02, 2004 12:46 PM (ErRgf)
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Sarah,
You happen to live on an American base in Germany. Through Status of Forces Agreements (SOFA), you are lucky to be under American laws. I served in Germany, and lived in Germany for 9 1/2 years. I've run across many people that think like you. You act like many of the Americans I knew - the "We kicked your ass 50 years ago" kind. It's a shame really. People like you could be why you hear many Germans say, "Amis raus!"
Germany (and Europe, for that matter) has so much to offer. Maybe if you got out and explored, you'd find out things like: the reason Halloween isn't as popular in Germany because they happen to celebrate Fasching (similar to Mardi Gras). Halloween is a pretty Ameircan tradition.
Posted by: texprodigy at November 02, 2004 01:01 PM (0xnTl)
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Woo-hoo, Sarah, you're attracting those egocentric dolts who take everything literally again. And apparently first time visitors, too, since they don't seem to have read your many posts about interaction with the community and the things you love about Europe.
First of all, Pastor Maker, you needn't worry about Sarah ever coming to your part of the world. Having had to live in New Zealand for two years, I have fully briefed all my friends on the curiously insular nature of the coneheads down your way, especially tall poppy syndrome and the inbred inability to accept people from other countries into the local society. No worries on that score. Sweet as. CHOICE, BRO!!
In addition, Sarah does not look at all bovine, which will greatly limit her ability to blend in with the female population, at least in New Zealand.
As to Lynda B and TexProdigy, funny how the memory dims and all things German take on a rosy Oktoberfest happy cowbell atmosphere once we're home in the heartland. I have lived in Germany for a total of 10 years - civilian and military, three different locations, big cities and small villages. And I'm still here, so a bit more qualified to speak. (Much like Sarah, who is probably better traveled, more cultured and more fluent in other languages than anyone who posted here. Go ahead, Sarah, list the other places you've lived, since these blockheads seem to think you're just pining for Peoria, like they probably did their first tour.)
Halloween is a big deal in our local German community. German stores now stock candy, pumpkins for carving, cards, and so forth. It gets bigger every year.
Our post, as a gesture of goodwill to the community, allows German employees to escort children and grandchildren onpost to trick or treat in the American onpost housing area. Normally, they cannot come onpost because they are not ID card holders. Just this one night, and occasionally for a Volksfest.
Germans in our area make faces when Americans speak in loud tones and order in English in the local restaurants. That's understandable. Sarah, and most of our group, can order food, shop, and converse to some extent in German. Sarah can actually speak multiple languages, the rest of us struggle along. But if I am going to Czech Republic, Italy, France or some other country, I make sure I know how to say please, thank you, excuse me and other polite phrases.
Although perhaps a bit over the top, Sarah's basic point was that if you're going to interact all night and accept token gifts from people who don't speak your language, it wouldn't take much to give a big smile and thank them in English.
I agree, Sarah hasn't lived here long enough. If she'd been here as long as I have, she would realize that a "thank you" from a kid on a military base is a welcome anomaly regardless of the language. The majority of American brats on a U.S. base or post have horrible manners and foul mouths. Just being behind them in the food court makes me want to go back to good old fashioned ear-grabbing.
But hey, Pastor Maker, you'd fit right in. They like to use the word 'fuck' also - combined with any other word that comes to mind. Much like you, they childishly seek to shock with the use of a "bad" word. Unfortunately for you and other clueless moonbats from the hinterlands, the word "fuck" does not shock anyone who lives on a military post. Perhaps you should try a five or six syllable insult next time? We don't get many of those.
My apologies for tarring the kind, tolerant and educated people of Australasia - all twenty of you.
And as someone who interprets the NATO SOFA for a living - let's have a quick class. American civilians who are here with NATO SOFA status fall first under German law if they commit a crime. While the Germans normally don't prosecute minor infractions, they do have first bite at the apple. American family members are not subject to American criminal law in Germany -there are no state courts here, only federal courts that try soldiers (after the Germans release jurisdiction.) Any serious crime involving NATO SOFA forces accompanying family member must be tried in German court under German law. The soldiers and civilians tried in German court serve their time in a German prison.
A Hermit, just so you don't feel left out - you're a simpering, smug twit, just like always. Persons allowed through the gate without ID cards are guests on post. Ask any of us who have to sign on our German friends, then escort them personally everywhere on post. As usual, in your rush to try to post the pithy comment you have overlooked the factual reality. You never disappoint. MWAHH, big kisses.
Posted by: Oda Mae at November 02, 2004 02:13 PM (srnjK)
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Oda Mae,
I'm sure the Australian Defence Forces (part of the "Grand Coalition of the Willing") and George W. Bush thank you for your kind words about the people of Australia.
Posted by: Pastor Maker at November 02, 2004 03:03 PM (BUHoE)
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Oda Mae,
You go, girl!! I love your feistiness and your obvious knowledge on most subjects!
Gotta' go vote!
Nancy
Posted by: Nancy at November 02, 2004 04:20 PM (YuW6k)
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Why am I bothering reading posts from someone as ignorant and bigoted as you? Same reason we stare at car crashes I guess.
Posted by: Ugly American at November 02, 2004 04:30 PM (hHdwk)
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Um...did it occur to you that the kids might not speak English? You know, being young and having lived their entire lives in Germany speaking German and all that.
Posted by: Jack of None at November 02, 2004 07:43 PM (BybzU)
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Oda, so the laws of the post are the German laws ("first bite") and Sarah was wrong? And was she also wrong on the whole post is not a piece of German soil point?
"Much like Sarah, who is probably better traveled, more cultured and more fluent in other languages than anyone who posted here."
Wow, Sarah knows and is FLUENT in more than 7 (that's my number) languages? Wow, Sarah, why aren't you applying to the CIA translating job? The security of the country is at stake here, after all.
Posted by: Sen at November 02, 2004 09:59 PM (UGEqL)
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My husband has also been a wonderful distraction from the last few days of the election season. I'm still reading through blogs, but now it's with more of a "keep me updated but let's not dwell" attitude so I can run back in the other room and hang out with my best friend.
I also have no interest whatsoever in grading papers, which is not good at all...
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