December 10, 2006
TRAINING IRAQIS
Political Critic posts a
reaction to the Iraq Study Group. In it, he says
The ISG's second point focuses on the training of the Iraqi military, which should be the main focus. Unfortunately, the Iraqi military has not been trained properly for the 3+ years that we've been there and that is not addressed. Apparently, the ISG believes that all of a sudden the Iraqi military will get trained exponentially faster and before the American forces leave. The report is correct to focus on the training, but makes no mention of how to stop the corruption, infiltration, and safety issues that they face.
I think this is an easy complaint to make -- "the Iraqi military has not been trained properly" -- but proposals on how to be more efficient are hard to come by.
I've spent a lot of time around soldiers who've been to Iraq, and I've heard lots of stories about training Iraqi soldiers. That was one of the primary missions of my husband's brigade as far back as early 2004. Everywhere they went, Iraqis went with them. Everything they did, Iraqis were involved. I hate when politicians say that we'd be able to pull out of Iraq if we'd just concentrate on training Iraqis. We've been doing that since day one.
However, training Iraqis is not just a matter of teaching them to shoot and how to go on raids. Heck, I've heard that's nothing to sneeze at in and of itself: when you're trying to teach someone who thinks that bullets go wherever Allah wills them to go, it can apparently be a pain in the neck to get them to aim. And that's the larger point of training Iraqis: you're teaching culture as much as military training.
I heard a story about the Iraqi police, who proudly bragged that they had taken a suspect into their station and beaten him all night long. They were proud, telling the Americans because they thought that they had done something good. Look, we're keeping order! The Americans didn't know what to do except shake their head and try to explain why this was not a good thing.
In order to teach someone to stand up and fight for his own country, you have to teach him to love his country above everything else. How do you teach that? All the target practice in the world can't stop "corruption, infiltration, and safety issues." You can't teach Iraqis to be Americans, to all of a sudden erase decades (centuries?) of ingrained tribalism and mores and have them care about the same things we care about. It's like we're looking at this through the lens of our own history: settlers came to the US and learned to live in religious harmony and value freedom and democracy over everything, so why can't you? If we just teach them to use a rifle, then they'll rise up like colonial Americans did, right? But it's not that simple. We can't force them to want the same things early Americans wanted. That's the problem with this so-called Bush Doctrine, which was a noble idea because we Americans have been taught from birth that all men want to live free. But unfortunately we tried to free people who think sharia is the way to go. Just teaching them to raid a house and hunt for IEDs is not going to fix the underlying issues in their society.
I think this talk of training Iraqis has been grossly oversimplified in every discussion I've ever heard about it, except for the soldiers who've actually had to try to do it.
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Great post. I have also been so disappointed that the whole theory of: "if you give people boots, they will be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps" hasn't worked. We have this naive idea in America, which goes along with the Welfare system, etc, that if we just give people a little help, they will turn their lives around. We always think they will use the system how we would. But that so very rarely happens. But we nevertheless start new programs. It's strange that we didn't really recognize this, but the Bush-Doctrine makes about as much sense as throwing money at any social ill we have in this country.
Phil Carter also has a post up about this, where he made mention that the report doesn't quote or seem to have referenced anyone lower than a Lt. Col. which is disturbing seeing as they aren't as close to the action as many enlisted and lower level officers.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at December 10, 2006 07:04 AM (deur4)
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Here's that link:
http://www.intel-dump.com/posts/1165541220.shtml
I was especially interested in bg's comments.
Posted by: Sarah at December 10, 2006 07:58 AM (7Wklx)
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You are 100% correct to say that the Iraqis need to love their country above all else or they'll never fight for it.
In other posts, I describe in more detail the need to separate the nation into three federations with three governments. I believe this would go a long way in love of country and motivation to serve. Sunnis would be more apt to defend the nation of Sunni; likewise with the Kurds and Shia.
I also believe they need to be trained outside the country to ensure safety and avoid infiltration. Many trainees have been killed by insurgents and many others are insurgents. If you go outside Iraq to train them, you can monitor their status and keep them alive until they're ready to serve. They may never adopt American ideals and standards, but at this point, we only want them to be able to keep some semblance of order.
Posted by: PoliticalCritic at December 10, 2006 08:26 AM (p7CUq)
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You make a good argument for leaving Iraq. We can't train them. They can't learn to be free. We can't teach them to "love" their country. What the hell is wrong with them?
We need to leave. Sorry folks, didn't mean to fuck up your country. Bye bye, good luck.
Posted by: Robert at December 10, 2006 08:08 PM (9R9sC)
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"In order to teach someone to stand up and fight for his own country, you have to teach him to love his country above everything else. How do you teach that?"
Well said, and this is what bothers me. I can so relate to this post.
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December 05, 2006
STUFF
What happens when they pack you out for a PCS is that invariably you will start to have desires for belongings you haven't looked at in years. The minute your stuff goes in boxes, you'll find yourself saying something like, "Honey, remember that Korean woman I taught English to five years ago? No? Well, when we get home I'll show you a picture. Oh wait. Nevermind." All of a sudden you'll have indescribable urges to look up the Whiskey Rebellion in your old history textbook, a book you haven't touched in ten years. It never fails, every PCS.
I miss my stuff already.
Oooh, and we had female movers. Heavenly. Male movers want you out of their way so they can do their job as quickly as possible. Female movers ask you questions about how you want something packed, whether you actually meant to leave this item out to take with you, and so on. All my worries dissipated when women walked through the front door.
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When we packed out from Fort Knox heading to Germany we had two sweet ladies who packed us . . . they were so kind and very careful with our stuff and turns out they were German. Everything made it safe and sound . . . nothing broke except for the bottle of vanilla that I smuggled after they finished their job! At least it smelled good when that box was opened; it masked the sweet smell of natural fertilizer in Germany.
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November 18, 2006
HEADSTONE
I just came across
photos of PFC Gunnar Becker's headstone. It's beautiful, and so fitting. I love it, Debey. The tank is so cool. And I'd like to think that his friends are leaving him Mt. Dew and whiskey...maybe to wash down that bug he ate!
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November 17, 2006
COMPLEX EMOTIONS
CaliValleyGirl sent me an email today, asking me if we know anything else about the craziness that is my husband's next assignment. She said,
Man, you know, it's strange...part of me almost misses the deployment...don't get me wrong, it sucked...however, I felt like I was part of something bigger. You know? The ups and downs, but I was in it together with all these other families. I felt more a part of the military...I miss that.
I think that life during deployment feels more precious than life out of it. I didn't think OIF II was that bad for me. I have no memory of how I passed the time though; my husband's been in the field two days now and I'm bored out of my mind. But when we're facing deployment, I think we try to find the silver lining as best we can. We relish the tight community that develops between those on the homefront and feel a part of something big and meaningful. And, on a more practical level, we come up with all these things we will accomplish when they're gone: next year I'll lose weight because I won't cook as well, I'll make those two quilts I've been talking about for years, I'll read all those books, I'll fly to L.A. to visit CaliValleyGirl, and so on. We convince ourselves that the year will go by fast because we'll be so busy. And then, when he gets home, we'll start a family. Everything will be perfect, because we've convinced ourselves that it's all working out according to plan.
But that's not what's happening now. My husband found out that his switch went through. He originally had made a scratch-my-back deal with his branch manager that she'd let him leave if he took this slot in the deploying unit that no one else wanted. We were all set to do that, when he got word that he's going directly to Civil Affairs training. No more deployment for us.
ArmyWifeToddlerMom always says that when you're on the outside looking in, people think that reintegration is just jumping up and down with a handmade sign and life is all flowers and sausages. But for the people going through it, it's not always that simple. That's how I feel today about this non-deployment. I would never say that making a quilt or reading a book is better than (or even comparable to) having my husband living in the house with me, but I had psyched myself up with all the ways I would get through next year, and it's just strange to turn all those thoughts off all of a sudden.
And the family thing, the family thing is killing me.
I heard my husband tell his mom on the phone the other day that we just had our hearts set on having a baby "like a normal couple." The way he phrased it, "like a normal couple," broke my heart. I want that so bad, and I thought it was within reach. He'd come home from deployment and have time where he was stuck in school and not going anywhere. And we'd be together for the entire pregnancy and birth. Like a normal couple. Unlike nearly every other Army wife I know who has done it alone. We had found a way to control our destiny, if only for a while.
And now, now he starts training a year early. And we're not ready to be parents just yet. Our options have now become 1) go for it before we're ready, or 2) take the chance of doing it apart. I don't like either of those options.
Civil Affairs most likely means more deployments in our future. We're fine with that, but we just wanted to get a leg up on the Army, one last stint of normalcy before he gives his life over to the whims of current events. And I find myself extremely disappointed.
I'm disappointed that my husband isn't deploying. Try explaining that complex emotion to family and friends.
So I milked all that patriotic praise out of you guys earlier this month, and apparently we don't deserve it at this time. My husband isn't going anywhere just yet.
Which is a good thing. Just a different thing.
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"...and apparently we don't deserve it at this time..."
Just because he's not deploying? No you're wrong. Nothing has changed. He's just going to do something different. In the long run it will be something he really wants to be doing and something that will help in a bigger way. You both deserve every bit of praise for doing a difficult job.
As for children... I have to say, there is no "good" time to have them. Trust me on this one. If it's good in one way it will suck pond water in another way. Kids are one thing that can never be properly prepared for. It's more difficult in the military because of all the moving, deployments, etc. but still there is no good time.
Many people "think" themselves out of having kids because they never "think" the time is right and they wait too long.
This comes to you from someone who had 2 kids at the "worst" possible times. :-)
Posted by: Teresa at November 17, 2006 05:40 PM (gsbs5)
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sarah,
please cross post this over at SpouseBuzz...
I too am on this hurry up and wait thing...
Posted by: armywifetoddlermom at November 17, 2006 05:45 PM (GrO13)
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It'll happen for you when the time is right. I know that sounds trite and cliche. But from what I've seen there is no perfect time. Thanks for the note you left on my blog. Was much appreciated. I am checking my reads, just not as much.
Posted by: Mare at November 20, 2006 02:55 AM (3cGBi)
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Ditto to Teresa's first comments. I have no idea
about the kid thing!

Give Charlie a pat on the head for me!
Posted by: MaryIndiana at November 21, 2006 05:11 AM (YwdKL)
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Well Sarah, I can confirm that there is no "good" or "right" time to have kids. The "good time" comes AFTER you've had them. It is a new adventure that you are never fully prepared for. Think of everything you've been through with your puppy. Now imagine the love you have for that puppy multiplied by 100 or 1000. That is a kid! Good luck to you both. Incidentally, I encourage you to have kids in the military, it is much cheaper!

Jim
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FIELD
Deskmerc keeps asking what Finance officers could possibly be doing in the field. I ask the same question every time he goes. Seriously, they play with fake money and pretend to pay contractors and stuff, while getting "mortared." I know, I know.
The last time he went out, he told me a great story. They were getting "attacked" and he and another hooah guy ran out and started "shooting" at the enemy, hamming it up with some m-f words as they valiantly, and fakely, fought back. And the officer in charge of the exercise told them to watch their mouths.
Remember: Horrific, deplorable violence is OK, as long as people don't say any naughty words.
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November 13, 2006
IN MEMORIAM
Do you know the story of
Joe and Tommy?
To the eye, Bloody Omaha is just a sandy beach.
No white crosses, no huge memorial, no visible signs of those who sacrificed themselves and fought for freedom. No sign of those who fell for it.
Yet I remember "Joe" and "Tommy", heroes with no names but so many faces, who came here one day, fighters for a just cause, in a liberation army.
I was told about them, I read books about them, I saw pictures of them, and I watched interviews and movies. I heard their stories. The Joe and Tommy who got through this, told me about their brothers who didn't.
And they show me why they didn't fall in vain.
One day in July, standing on the sand of bloody Omaha a long time ago, I learned about Joe and Tommy. I learned that my own Grand Pa' and Grand Ma' once hid Joe, whose plane had been shot down, in their attic, to save him from Fritz. I learned that Fritz could have killed Joe and my grand parents for that. I learned that Fritz killed and imprisoned a lot of people because they weren't like him or just because they didn't think like him and disagreed with him. And I learned that Joe and Tommy came to stop Fritz acting like this and send him back to his country.
I know I wanted to thank Joe and Tommy for that.
Who wouldn't?
So I guess I asked: "And where is Joe now? Where is Tommy?"
My parents probably answered that they were gone, back home long before I was born. Joe and Tommy didn't come to conquer like Fritz did, you know, hence they went back to their own countries. That's why, since I wasn't born when Joe and Tommy shed their blood to make sure I would come to life free in a free land, I learned about them by my father and mother, many years later.
And that's why I couldn't thank Joe and Tommy, like I wanted.
I know that today, there are fathers and mothers in Kosovo telling their kids about Joe and Tommy. I know there will be others tomorrow in Iraq.
I don't know if there are memorials to Joe and Tommy in Kosovo today and I don't know if there will be in Iraq tomorrow.
But I know that as long as I and other kids born free in a liberated land, here, in Kosovo or in Iraq, remember them, the fallen Joe and Tommy will live forever.
I know a fallen Tommy; his name is Sean Sims.
His own son lost him two years ago today.
But may he live forever in the hearts of kids born free in Iraq.

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Sarah,
That was a wonderful tribute to Sean and a very special post for Heidi and Colin.
I have thought about Russ and all the young soldiers these last few days, watched TV coverage, etc., and we Americans should get down on our knees and be thankful for all those who risk their lives or who have lost their lives in order that we might live free. I don't think the average American really realizes the sacrifices military families endure. God bless all of you.
Your Mama
Posted by: Nancy at November 13, 2006 08:11 AM (Iph+R)
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Sarah - What a wonderful post. I don't know you, Heidi or Colin, but frankly, I feel like I do. I read your blog everyday (and Heidi's) and I will be honest when I say that this wasn't the first post to leave me in tears. As an American, I am thankful for your husband, I am thankful for Sean Sims and I am thankful for you, Heidi, Colin & all military families. You make sacrifices every day for the good of our country. In Heidi's case, Sean made the ultimate sacrifice while serving his country. When my 3 year old says her prayers at night, she asks God to watch over "soldiers". Tonight, we will say a special prayer for the Sims Family.
Posted by: Keri at November 13, 2006 09:04 AM (PgLZz)
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Now that was just beautiful . . . you are so good with words (remember my comment about "smart people" topics). Thanks for remembering ALL our fallen soldiers.
Posted by: Heidi at November 13, 2006 11:37 AM (WAMel)
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Sarah - that was so nice. Don't ever let us forget Capt. Sims and his family.
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November 09, 2006
FUTURE IN FLUX
I wanted to wait and write this post when we know for sure whatÂ’s going on. But as the weeks rolled by, I realized that this is the Army, and weÂ’re never going to know for sure whatÂ’s going on. So I will tell you what I know today, and weÂ’ll see what tomorrow brings.
Last spring I wrote a proud post about my husband answering the call for active duty Civil Affairs. We had begun to plan our life around this decision, because we considered it a done deal: they were desperate for people, my husbandÂ’s language proficiency score was forty points higher than they were looking for, and he had recommendations and award citations all stating that, yes, he does in fact walk on water and should be considered for the job. That made the two-line form-letter rejection email he got in May a crushing blow.
We had just been back in the US for a couple of days, and my husband was completely depressed. He tried to find out why he had been rejected, but just ended up with more form letters. And he didnÂ’t want me to post anything about it because he was embarrassed. I was just angry. I couldnÂ’t understand why the Army would make such a stupid decision: they had someone who was begging to learn Arabic and deploy as much as they needed, and they turned their back on him. We figured the only thing that made sense was that Finance wouldnÂ’t release him from their grasp, which just made me madder. Which is more important, winning this war or running a cash cage? Neither of us could understand. He started talking about getting out of the Army, which naturally threw me into a panic. Our homecoming from Germany was not what we expected.
Fast forward to September, when my husbandÂ’s branch manager came to speak to the captains course. She explained that the Finance branch is dwindling fast, and since theyÂ’re overflowing with extra captains, maybe some of them might consider the new and exciting field ofÂ…Civil Affairs. My husband was stunned and outraged. When he finally sat down with his branch manager, he explained that he had already tried to leave for Civil Affairs. And she explained that Finance had blocked him; his packet never even made it onto a Civil AffairÂ’s desk. Information that wouldÂ’ve been nice to know in May, before he tore himself into knots thinking that maybe he couldÂ’ve used one more recommendation letter! So he asked if he could have another shot at Civil Affairs. As of yesterday, this looks promising. WeÂ’re still trying to figure out the exact schedule, but it looks like it might finally happen.
But in the meantimeÂ…
Since there are far more Finance captains than jobs, everyone in his course is getting farmed out to random taskings. He and another soldier were assigned jobs at the same post, but my husband got a Finance job and this other guy was assigned to a unit thatÂ’s deploying to Iraq in December.
My husband came home and asked me if he could trade assignments with the guy.
Every time I think I couldn't be prouder of my husband, he does something to amaze me. This other soldier just returned from a deployment, and my husband doesn't think it's fair that this guy should do another so soon when my husband hasn't been since OIF II. But there's more to his decision than just equality of downrangedness: my husband thinks that the War on Terror is important, and he has an emotional investment in the future of Iraq.
Our old neighbor in Germany was all set to get out of the Army when he got stop-lossed and deployed. He could’ve been quite bitter about it, but instead he sent out an email that really grabbed me by the heart. In it he said, “In Texas, people thank you for serving in the Armed Forces all of the time. I know they do not mean thanks ‘for living in Germany, drinking beer, and eating bratwurst.’ When it is all said and done I will be able to look them straight in the eye and know I have done my part.”
My husband also doesnÂ’t think that people are thanking him for cashing social security checks for German widows so they can hide the income from their government, which was what he spent a lot of time doing in Germany. He wants his service to mean more than that. He wants to do anything he can to help our country win this war. He gets personal satisfaction and meaning from doing a job that matters in the world, and right now he thinks he could matter more on a deployment.
So he asked my permission. And I granted it.
Most people IÂ’ve told this story to think weÂ’re certifiably insane. But the truth is, everyone reading this knows how we feel about this War on Terror. And if we feel that way, we canÂ’t let some other family fight it for us. Morally, I canÂ’t support the war but hope someone elseÂ’s husband will go fight it. And I think we need the best and brightest soldiers out there doing the job if weÂ’re going to winÂ…and you all know I think my soldier is the absolute best and brightest!
So my husband traded assignments with this guy, in exchange for a case of Budweiser Select. I told him IÂ’m contacting Anheuser-Busch, because they should know that a man agreed to spend a year in Iraq for a case of their beer.
And then he got an email yesterday saying that heÂ’s going to Afghanistan, not Iraq.
At this point, IÂ’m throwing my hands in the air and giving up. He may or may not switch from Finance to Civil Affairs. He may or may not go to either Iraq or Afghanistan at the end of this year or beginning of next year. He got another email saying he could start Civil Affairs training in May, which is smackdab in the middle of when heÂ’s supposed to be in Iraq. Or Afghanistan.
WeÂ’re going house-hunting this weekend. Hopefully weÂ’ll find something and move me into it before my husband goes wherever heÂ’s going to do whatever it is heÂ’s doing. IÂ’m getting the hang of this Army thing and just taking it as it comes.
More when we know it, faithful readers.
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Good luck, thanks for sharing and people like you & your husband are simply amazing.
Posted by: tim at November 09, 2006 03:24 AM (nno0f)
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Sarah, you and your husband may or may not realize how amazing you are to those of us here who appreciate the life you live, the sacrifice you make on behalf of our country, for our families and our future. I don't have words to say how I feel about this post other than, having read your blog now for two years or so, I knew when you wrote 'he asked if he could trade' that you would say yes. And it doesn't surprise me at all that he would ask, or that you would say yes. Because the two of you are what make America the greatest country on Earth. You believe in something greater than yourselves. You serve people through your hard work and sacrifice. And although I may never meet you in person or cross your paths, I can honestly say that I am humbled by the life you live and proud to say you're Americans. Bless you both. Wherever you may or may not be going. I'm glad you're here at least.
Posted by: Kathleen A at November 09, 2006 09:09 AM (7qm8p)
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It's a wacky life sometimes, but thank God we have men like your husband willing to live it, and thank God we have spouses like you to support him.
Both of you make me very proud.
Posted by: Andi at November 09, 2006 11:55 AM (EWp6N)
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Never a dull moment, eh? Both of you are outstanding. I'm not the least bit surprised you would both be first in line to do this.
I hope Anheuser-Bush pays attention... although lately their commercials have been all about the Rap and Hip-Hop crap.
Sometimes it's better just to go with the flow... but it can be so frustrating waiting for the flow to get going!
Posted by: Teresa at November 09, 2006 01:28 PM (o4pJS)
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Aaahhhh, the life of a soldier's wife. This sounds all too familiar. My husband would go back in a minute if he had the chance. And I would support it. Every time he gets frustrated in his current job (which is almost daily...lol) he tells me he wants to just tell his branch manager to send him back to the line where he belongs, which would almost certainly mean another trip back to the sandbox in the not-to-distant future. Best wishes to your husband, whatever comes of all this uncertainty, and God Speed.
Posted by: Robin at November 09, 2006 04:53 PM (6G8cC)
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You're right! The best and the brightest need to be there so they can ALL do the job right.
As for knowing the future.....eh! Part of what makes military life so fun and exciting is never knowing what tomorrow brings. You never know what paperwork is lurking around the corner for you. What matters is what you make of it!
Posted by: Vonn at November 09, 2006 04:59 PM (/VoEr)
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Wow, I don't know what to say, but you both make me so proud to be American.
Posted by: annika at November 09, 2006 05:10 PM (qQD4Q)
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You both are absolutely, positively, stark raving mad!! You're nuts!! You both have done your duty, yet you offer more.
Thank you, thank you from the bottom of this too-old-to-reenlist-ex-sailor's heart. Where do people--no, heroes--like you two come from? You make us all proud.
Gratefully,
Jim
Posted by: Jim Shawley at November 09, 2006 06:51 PM (Hq+AC)
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Sarah, I enjoy your blog so much. Thank you and your husband for all you are doing for us and our country. May God bless you both wherever you go and whatever you do. I wish you all the best.
Posted by: Pat at November 09, 2006 07:20 PM (Slm2V)
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Hey there. I actually came to promote a USO show for the troops on RightLinx blog, but your post on hubby and your ordeals has left me emotionally drained. So sure, join our USO show on Friday night, but I would love a note from you to see what more exactly we can do to support our trooops and their families. You guys rock. Hope you like dancing!
RightLinx USO Show
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Posted by: Eric at November 10, 2006 03:47 AM (uAK0V)
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Again, I'm at a loss for what to say. You already know it takes an incredible ammount of courage to let go and give permission for another tour overseas. (We've had this same conversation many times at our house. Usually ends up in me crying my eyes out and say NO!) I'm more than proud to call you my friends. I'm even more than pround that our Army is filled with soldiers like Russ who will go and fight the fight until it's done. Thank you both for what you do every day.
Posted by: Angie at November 10, 2006 05:54 AM (ec43W)
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Speechless. Thank you both for your service to
our country.
Posted by: MaryIndiana at November 10, 2006 10:55 AM (mso6W)
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Hey, whatever happened to Pericles? That guy was my hero.
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Posted by: Don at November 10, 2006 03:08 PM (6VFW4)
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Thanks- to both of you for your service. We are a better nation because of people like you.
My family are in debt to you guys!
God Speed and God Bless,
Jim
Posted by: Jim at November 10, 2006 04:14 PM (IHxDy)
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Sarah - thank you and your husband. You're just amazing...
Posted by: Agnieszka O. at November 11, 2006 02:27 PM (QalgR)
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Thank you for being who you are, for having such and honorable man for a husband and for making me so proud to be an American!
God bless you and your family!
(Came here via Mary*Ann and "Blog of War")
Posted by: Anna at November 11, 2006 04:45 PM (F1Y34)
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November 08, 2006
MOVING
Please go read
this comment from Chuck Ziegenfuss. He was the inspiration behind Project Valour-IT, which provides voice-activated laptops to wounded troops. The comment he posted was remarkable for its insight into how he deals with his wounds. And then
donate to Valour-IT if you're so moved.
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MEMORIAL
There's a monument up in Iraq to honor the fallen soldiers from my husband's old brigade. Just take a moment to
look at the pictures and absorb this statement: "This is a very special place on Forward Operating Base Warhorse. No one is allowed to walk on the grass and the grass is watered daily." There are names on there of men I never met but think of all the time: Ludlam, Rosales, Kondor, Kenny, Prewitt, Sims, and Becker.
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October 31, 2006
HOW DO YOU SAY "ELITIST" IN CAMBODIAN?
Since my husband is the smartest man I know (go on, Erin, tell 'em what a genius he is), I have been seething today about what John Kerry said. I kept trying to think of something ba-zing to pimpslap him with, but other than a list of all the soldiers I know and how smart they are, I wasn't coming up with anything. Turns out I don't need to, because others have done the job for me. Head over to
Michelle Malkin's to watch Kerry look like an elitist douche and then read all the hatemail that's pouring in.
And what Kerry said -- “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.” -- ain't exactly the most eloquent sentence I've ever heard. Good thing he spent top-dollar on that prissy degree of his.
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Kerry, not nuanced enough to articulate on matters of education? Say it isn't so!
Posted by: Deskmerc at October 31, 2006 10:28 AM (Qlh7l)
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Kerry is actually right. Read "The dumbing-down of the U.S. Army" at slate magazine. (It's at slate dot com, but I can't post the link here.)
The scary thing to me is how the declining recruitment standards are going to eventually impact a high-tech army.
Posted by: Will at October 31, 2006 12:03 PM (QRBGL)
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Will -- Well, maybe the solution to "dumbing down" is convincing our youth that the military is still an honorable endeavor with many benefits...not Kerry's "only retards join" nonsense.
Posted by: Sarah at October 31, 2006 12:56 PM (7Wklx)
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Wow. That is elitist. I find it funny that this is coming from the same guy who tried to use the military and his service as a veteran in vietnam to win votes back in 2004.
Posted by: Nicole at October 31, 2006 01:02 PM (QxlT8)
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No, Will, Kerry is wrong. You are acting as if Kerry was making allusions to the lower recruitment standards. He wasn't. He was saying that smart people don't end up in the army. Educated people don't end up in the army. Only stupid people go to the army.
If he is admonishing someone to study up, or they will end up in the Army, he is basically saying the Army is a dead end, last resort.
What about the people who follow his advice, and study up, but still decide to join the Army? According to Kerry, they couldn't possibly exist, because only the uneducated "end up" in the military.
I don't see how you can interpret this otherwise.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at October 31, 2006 01:04 PM (deur4)
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Well if you want to discuss the actual statement, please note that Kerry said "in Iraq," NOT "in the army" or "in the military." To rational people, this implies that he's making a dig at the current conflict, not the US army as a whole. Bush demanding an apology is an act of desperation.
Posted by: Will at October 31, 2006 01:33 PM (QRBGL)
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Yeah, OK, so my husband is working on an MBA, and he's "ending up" in Iraq for the second time. Maybe he should study harder...
Posted by: Sarah at October 31, 2006 01:35 PM (7Wklx)
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Will,
He is reffering to Iraq, not the military?
Perhaps you understand now why people say it is difficult to support the troops, but not their effort in Iraq.
You basically just said, it is okay to diss all the soldiers, because it is referring to Iraq.
Soldiers can't pick and choose where they go. They sometimes get sent to unpopular wars. That doesn't justify Kerry insulting their choice of career, by insinuating that only those without a college education join up.
And while we are at it: what is with all this elitism? I am the only child of 4, who went to college, but I would in no way think that I am any smarter or even better off than my brothers.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at October 31, 2006 02:59 PM (deur4)
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You don't need a Yale education to know who won the 2004 election.
Posted by: Greg Schreiber at October 31, 2006 03:01 PM (awqx6)
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Go read the transcript. Kerry isn't insulting the troops, he's insulting the president, which I suppose, to a conservative, is just as bad.
The poeple will have their say next week, and this Prez will have his ass handed to him.
Posted by: Rob Roberts at October 31, 2006 04:54 PM (/55jD)
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Well and Sarah, When Dick Armey agrees with Chris Matthews that Kerry is insulting Bush rather than our troops,well sigh! just sigh. you believe what you have to believe.Let's all get outraged about something!
Posted by: Rob Roberts at October 31, 2006 05:17 PM (/55jD)
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RR said "The poeple will have their say next week, and this Prez will have his ass handed to him."
The last time I looked this year isn't a presidential election year. The votes aren't about President Bush...at least not among intelligent voters who recognize that voting on issues is more important than voting on who any one candidate is "friends" with.
Posted by: Peg at October 31, 2006 07:13 PM (JemrD)
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To the dissenters--do you mean to suggest that Kerry's line was meant to target Bush, or are you saying that it did target only Bush? The first might be somewhat defensible (although I am not buying it), but any standard of evidence weak enough to support the second is so watered down as to be totally useless. I think our military personnel and those that support them have every right to be infuriated at both this mangled remark and the subsequent lack of apology, especially given Kerry's checkered history on the subject.
Posted by: Piercello at November 01, 2006 03:57 AM (EZcuZ)
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I laughed all day at Kerry's feeble attempts to back out of his statements...he's making fun of the President, he's making a statement about the current conflict....???? What a train wreck. He needs to apologize, period.
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Peg, Glad to see that you retained my misspelling of "Poeple" without comment.
I Predict that November 7, will give us one of three outcomes:
1. You will keep both chambers of congress.
2.you will lose both chambers.
3.you will lose one and keep the other.
You can quote me on all of this.
No matter what happens on November 7, Bush's lame duck status begins on November 8. The Republicans can't run from hiim fast enough.
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October 30, 2006
VIDEO
Watch this video on the
good news from Iraq. It reminds me of why we could still use Tim behind a keyboard.
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October 26, 2006
LUMPED TOGETHER
I just heard about these Active Duty servicemembers who are speaking out against the war. Whatever, that's their business. But I do take issue with one thing the ringleader, SGT Liam Madden,
says:
The goal is to have 2,000 names on the Appeal for Redress list when the messages are delivered to members of Congress in January.
"I think that's easily attainable," he said. "There's a seed of dissent in the military against this policy, and a core of people who are acting."
He doesn't believe many military personnel are politically opposed to the war, he said. But, he said, he believes a continuing cycle of redeployment has worn the patience of the troops.
"As far as widespread disapproval of the occupation of Iraq, I know no one likes being deployed over and over again and being away from their families for months at a time," Madden said.
Because of that, "I'm pretty sure there's a base of support" for the appeal to Congress, he said.
I'm not sure I really like the idea that he plans to get more signatures just because people don't want to deploy. If someone honestly thinks that we shouldn't be in Iraq, then he should sign this petition. But someone who just doesn't want to do his job (i.e. deploy where the military says to) shouldn't be lumped in the same category. Most soldiers and marines are growing weary from on-a-year-off-a-year, but they aren't the same as those who are anti-war.
One thing I found humorous was the quote from Madden's mother:
The clashing philosophies expressed by antiwar activists and the administration on Wednesday may ring familiar for Madden, who found himself in friendly debates with his mother, a supporter of using force against tyranny.
"We were direct opposites for a long time," said Oona Madden, a former restaurant owner in Bellows Falls. "I did support the war and still do to some extent. I don't buy into everything Liam tells me, but I support what he's doing -- as long as he covers his butt."
It's not too often you find an anti-war marine with a pro-war mama!
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I’m confused. Is this guy against the war or being deployed continuously? By the way, I believe the Marine Corps deploys for eight month stints. 2,000 is a small percentage of the soldiers/marines who are active and who have been deployed to Iraq/Afghanistan. Anyways, this “speaking out” may make them feel better but it could get very nasty for them on base or in the brig, where they belong.
Chester Puller rolls over.
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BAD TIMING
Darned Cardinals and their darned seven-game NLCS series and their darned rain delays. Now I've got a major dilemma on my hands.
This weekend I'll be at the SpouseBUZZ conference at Fort Hood. I'm very excited about participating in this panel, and I know it will be fun to meet fellow bloggers and hear their stories. But I also know that half my mind will be focused on the darned World Series.
Of course, that's not as bad as my friend from college, who had a wedding to attend last Saturday. She spent most of the reception with her face pressed against the reception hall window, trying to see the TV in the bar across the street! She says it should be illegal for people to get married during the World Series or March Madness.
I'd love for the Cardinals to just go ahead and win the thing, but I can't stand the thought of them winning the World Series while I'm 1000 miles away from my favorite Cards fan.
Anyway, if you're in the Fort Hood area and would like to say hi, I'll be at the SpouseBUZZ conference on Saturday. Should be a fun time. And let's pray for torrents of rain so the rest of the series gets postponed until next week.
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I was going to go to the SpouseBuzz conference this Saturday, but my babysitter bailed on me. Hopefully y'all will have a good turn out since so many people are in the same situation as me with both 4th ID and 1st CAV deployed. I'm bummed, but maybe next time...
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Curly, please check out the SpouseBUZZ blog. I liveblogged the conference, so you can get all the info!
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October 23, 2006
SAD
I wrote
before about how much I love the stained glass window in the chapel on our old post. Now, according to my old neighbor, they're getting rid of it and designing a new one. I hope they keep the old one intact and put it somewhere else. For whatever reason, that window touches my heart in a way I can't describe.

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Wow! It was bittersweet to see this post again. I never wrote you when you originally posted this, though I read it at the time, but that post/photo was from the service of my husband's cousin's (we call her "Bim") son, Martin Kondor. Our daughter, too, was posted in Germany & went to Iraq from there. That's how I found you, through Tim & Capt. Patty. Our Sarah was part of 1AD.
Some days the world seems so big, and on others it seems so small. Thanks for reminding me how blessed I am, my daughter came home safely. Keep up the good work!
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P.S.
If you still have any contacts there that could follow-up on this & find out if there are plans to preserve the windows, or, if not, if there is any way we could start a fund to "buy" the windows & then find another appropriate place on base to put them, I'd be honored to contribute. Or maybe a more contemporary church off base that would host them? I know the church we attended near my daughter's base in Wackernheim ministered to many, many military families & would have welcomed such a "gift."
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Wow. I always loved that stained glass window. Sadly, I was usually only in the chapel for memorial services, which made the window that much more poignant. I agree with you; I hope they find an appropriate place to display it.
Posted by: Robin at October 23, 2006 04:49 PM (6G8cC)
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Beckie, I will do my best to have some people look into it. A friend emailed yesterday and said that the reason they're removing the windows is completely asinine, in my opinion. Someone complained that there's a "subliminal cow" in the pattern of the stained glass, so the window has to go. Of all the ridiculous... I'll see if I can find out what they're doing with the old window, but if this is the case, there may not be much hope for salvaging the window.
I'm so sorry about your family's loss. And I'm glad your Sarah is home safe.
Posted by: Sarah at October 24, 2006 09:26 AM (7Wklx)
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subliminal COW? Any way of emailing me a better photo of that window? That is a wild issue!
Posted by: beckie at October 24, 2006 01:29 PM (GIL7z)
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A subliminal COW? Are you kidding me?? Some people will find any possible reason to complain.
Posted by: Robin at October 24, 2006 05:56 PM (6G8cC)
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The story has it that the artist who orginally designed the mural was Hindu. And the cow or ox is a sacred animal. I will see what I can find out before we go.
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October 22, 2006
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
A thread worth reading:
Iraq Was a Worthy Mistake
Ace's response to Goldberg
The comments are worth a glance too.
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Good articles, Sarah.
Now, knowing that I'll probably get a smart-ass comment from Will, I am hesitant to say this, but I've started feeling a shift in my attitude towards the war in Iraq. I'm not necessarily against it, but I feel like maybe we were too hasty in going in the first place. But maybe I feel like that because I'm constantly bombarded by anti-everything-hippies here in the great Northwest. I don't know. Maybe it's because I think we may have bitten off more than we can chew. Regardless, we're there now. I still stand by the fact that it would be an even bigger mistake to leave than it would be to finish what we started.
Posted by: Erin at October 22, 2006 09:54 AM (023Of)
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I'm just happy that people are coming around on the issue, even if it's in such a back-handed way. It's taken far too long. In 2003, something like 65% of Americans (probably most of them conservatives) thought Saddam perpetrated 9/11. Almost everyone thought he had WMDs. And a lot of people, at least all the neocons, actually thought that an occupying army led by George W. Bush would be perceived as a liberating force. Come ON PEOPLE! There's no way Bush can promote a "liberal society in the heart of the Arab and Muslim world" when he can't even promote a liberal society back home. (widespread civilian phone surveillance, patriot act, military tribunals, torture, rendition, using homophobia as a voting tactic, erasing the seperation of church and state, consolidating all power into the executive branch, etc, etc, etc, etc, I'm so sick of it all.)
Anyway, what we need to do now is get out of Iraq (not that we're going to be able to - Goldberg's "vote" idea is stupid beyond comprehension) and we need to get back into Afghanistan in a big way. The taliban is far from dead, and it's imperative that we make them dead, now. Too many troops, especially Canadian soldiers who are footing the bill right now, are dying in our justified and unfinished war against terrorists in Afghanistan. Rumsfield left the CIA (the ones calling in the airstrikes in Tora Bora) out to dry in the fall of 2001, because he only cared about occupying Iraq - we have to fire that son of a bitch first, and get the military back from the crazy PNACs.
Lastly, I just want to say that the Pacific Northwest is the greatest place in the world - it's like living on the moon of Endor, surrounded by left-leaning ewoks.
Posted by: Will at October 22, 2006 11:02 AM (QRBGL)
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Do the smelly hippies get any credit for knowing three and a half years ago what the good and wise Republicans are finding out just now? Well, of course not. Bush wasn't a conservative anyway. He was an imposter,a liberal Manchurian canditate. Conservatisim can't fail, it can only be failed.
No matter what happens in November conservatives are preparing to throw Bush out of the life boat. They have to pretend they never knew him.
Posted by: I'm sorry too at October 22, 2006 04:17 PM (3SfHh)
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Let's say a president wants to go to war.When considering force requirements, he ignores the advise of the Secretary of the Army, the Chief of Staff of the Army, and the Secretary of State, who was a former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Shouldn't this man be considered our Churchill? This generation's Truman?
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October 15, 2006
ONLY IN AN ARMY FAMILY
I've got a story that might freak you out -- it's certainly a bit more intense than what you'll find in "Humor in Uniform" -- but someone somewhere out there will understand this story and think it's funny.
I ordered some photos online from our digital camera before I realized I forgot to order one that I wanted. I decided to take the one photo to Walmart with me and just print it off of that Kodak machine. So I grabbed my husband's thumb drive and saved the photo. Piece of cake, right? Well, those photo machines work by searching the thumb drive for all photo files. So there I am at the store and the Kodak machine is asking me which photo I want. It's afternoon on a Sunday, so the Walmart is swarming with people, and I'm about to have a heart attack.
Because, you see, I had saved it to my husband's thumb drive from Iraq.
So there I was in Walmart, on the very big, very public Kodak machine, frantically scrolling through photos of dead insurgents trying to find the stinkin' picture of our dog.
Could've died of embarrassment.
[Disclaimer: Before anyone gets too freaked out by this story, I must point out that these weren't "trophy photos." One of my husband's tasks in Iraq was to document anything that happened to his platoon while they were out on patrol. He had to take these photos back to battalion so they could cross-reference them against high-value targets and known troublemakers.]
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Too funny! I've been warned several times by my husband not to ever use his thumb drive for that very reason!
Posted by: Rachel at October 15, 2006 06:41 PM (ta8UF)
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Both of my grandfathers fought in world war 2. My grandfather Joe was in Patton's third army and fought through the battle of the bulge. I remember him as an unassuming man, talking about all the "skinny guys" they kept finding on trains as they marched to Berlin.
When my father with a child, my grandmother gave him my grandfather's medals to play with, and he and his brothers ended up losing them around the farm - he always felt bad about that.
Anyway, my grandfather was a good guy - a regular guy who fought and saved the world. I didn't know my other grandfather who fought in the Pacific so well, but I know he had brought back a few Japanese dishes and cups and stuff, and that kind of freaked me out - it always made me think of him stalking through some Japanese family's hut and taking their stuff - but I accept that these indescretions happen.
However, neither of them had secret picture collections of the enemy dead that they brought home with them. That shit didn't happen in my grandfather's army.
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Jesus, Will, did you totally ignore the last paragraph of my post?
Posted by: Sarah at October 16, 2006 09:52 AM (7Wklx)
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Wow, that is kind of funny. In a really twisted way. I can only imagine what you looked like as you tried to scroll through all those nasty pictures.

And Scout's "Iraq" thumb drive got stolen (while it was in someone else's posession). So much for OPSEC.
Posted by: Erin at October 16, 2006 12:42 PM (023Of)
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Yeah, but your disclaimer doesn't explain everything. I mean, is your husband part of the DIA? Is this the kind of task they farm out to anybody in the army? Has the DIA not checked the photos yet - why does your husband still have them at all? Isn't that stuff turned over to people who need it?
It just rings my 'this-seems-shady' bell. I would honestly be disappointed if I came across a box in the attic with my grandfather's pictures of dead germans in it.
IF, everything here is on the up and up, then I agree that it's a funny story. My parents love the Walmart photo center too.
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"Farm out to anybody in the Army"? If "giving responsibility to trained Army officers" is what you mean by farmed out, then I guess so. Do you really think that my husband, out on patrol in the middle of nowhere Iraq, is supposed to call someone from the DIA out there to check out a body? How do you really think that intelligence is gathered? Perhaps you never really thought about it that deeply, but each individual platoon/company/battalion in Iraq is responsible for gathering local intelligence. And it's not "turned over", as in confiscated. My husband has all important after-action reports saved for documentation. Because he's a professional soldier entrusted with handling this sort of responsibility.
Or maybe you just relish the thought of me and my husband gleefully scrolling through our collection of photos of dead people. Does that make you feel better about yourself?
And neither your grandfather nor mine has photos of dead Germans. They didn't have to bother with the overwhelming task of making sure that a dead body was not an innocent, because they killed soldier and innocent alike in WWII. When your grandfather fought at the Bulge, he wasn't ordered into the forest when the firing stopped to document the dead bodies, not knowing if there were more live bodies waiting to jump out. So don't get all sanctimonious about your grandfather's service while saying that my husband's is "shady".
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Sarah,
I guess it's a good thing my husband has the photos he had to take on CDs and I think he has them hidden pretty well. Because we also swap thumb drives to share files fairly often. I read your story to him, because he and I can appreciate how you must have felt, and are able to see the humor in it.
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No, it wouldn't make me feel better about myself if I thought that. And I'm glad it seems to be otherwise because I want to love my country and its military.
Posted by: Will at October 16, 2006 09:59 PM (QRBGL)
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That's hilarious! People are so used to seeing murdered bodies everywhere it's no big whoop!
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My only objection is the word insurgents.
Let's call these MFs what they are. Terrorists.
I don't care what the DoD says.
The rest of you need to remember the purpose
of a military is to kill people and break
things.
HOOAH
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"However, neither of them had secret picture
collections of the enemy dead that they
brought home with them. That shit didn't happen
in my grandfather's army."
Will,you are seriously delusional if you think
this hasn't been happening since 1861. You don't
attend many auctions,do you? With a 1000 WWII
vets a day passing away,you can find these types
of photos very commonly. Grim and inappropriate
if they are 'trophy' photos? Yes. But you cannot
honestly think they are rare.
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"The rest of you need to remember the purpose
of a military is to kill people and break
things."
Incidently, this is also the purpose of terrorists.
Posted by: Karl at October 18, 2006 09:27 AM (/HpIA)
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..yes,this is true. Which makes me all the more proud of Sarah's husband. Thank you for serving our country,S.H.
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October 09, 2006
JARHEAD
We haven't seen the movie
Jarhead in our household, but we do gleefully work the phrase "I hear their bombs and I'm afraid" into conversation as often as we can. I've had zero interest in seeing the movie, until I read
this review at Cold Fury. If you've already seen the movie, definitely go over and read both the review and the comments.
Oh, and how ridiculous was it when I saw a soldier on Law and Order call another soldier a "jarhead"? Sheesh, google could've helped them avoid that bonehead script gaff.
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Yeah, I don't really have anything good or bad to say about Jarhead. I kind of felt "Meh" about it.
But you know what I really love? The Halloween graphics over at Cold Fury. Hilarious.
Posted by: Erin at October 09, 2006 04:49 PM (023Of)
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I thought Jarhead was adequate at best. It just wasn't very good storytelling, and that's the worst thing I can say about a film.
Now, Black Hawk Down on the other hand - I just saw that the other day, and I was reminded of how well shot and edited it is. I think it really manages to show the Hell that a soldier confronts, and how fucking badass they are in response to said Hell. The film reminds me of Sarah. It's Anti-War but Pro-military.
Bill Clinton pulled out after the battle.
I hate that you can't read the previous sentence without thinking of Bill Clinton pulling out of... you know...
Kool-aid anyone?
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September 18, 2006
SPOUSEBUZZ
Chances are if you're a military spouse you know what
Military.com is. Well, did you know that they
host milblogs? And did you know that Andi from
Andi's World got the great idea to urge them to host a spouse blog?
Andi approached me a while back to ask if I'd contribute. I'm in good company with some other familiar military spouse names -- Air Force Wife, AWTM, Homefront Six, Most Certainly Not, My Life as a Military Spouse and Molly Pitcher -- and a handful of other folks who are new to blogging. There's even a dude involved!
Anyway, I know a lot of Army spouses from our old post read this blog, and I know other folks have come here in the past looking for information on deployment (that's you, Terri and CaliValleyGirl). I just want to point out that this new milspouse blog at Military.com intends to be a wealth of spouse information. I recommend that you check it out and contribute to the dialogue.

It's called SpouseBUZZ, located at www.spousebuzz.com
Check it out.
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My own personal shoutout! Woohoo! Check me out!
Not sure my own site qualifies cause its not a milblog... but SpouseBuzz sounds like a great idea!
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September 08, 2006
HEH
At the doctor today (another speedy and awesome visit), I was reminded of the ABCD's of skin cancer detection. I listened to the lecture and thanked the doctor, but what I really wanted to say was, "Thanks, dude, but we had AFN."
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Now THAT is funny! Hubby and I still comment to this day about AFN and sometimes we even miss it!
Posted by: LMT at September 08, 2006 11:11 AM (DhMbx)
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Alas AFN...I get misty-eyed thinking of the commercial where they are trying to throw the paper in the garage, but calling their shots first.
I should also give an honorable mention to "Click it or ticket, don't be a dipstick, when you get in your car just click it".
Posted by: Vonn at September 08, 2006 12:42 PM (zn1zt)
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You're totally missing it now... apparently, AFN got more funding 1 September. There are all KINDS of new "commercials" out now. Even 2 new ones with Kay

haha
Posted by: The Girl at September 09, 2006 08:40 AM (yuPDN)
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I actually grew to like those gooofy things. We'd try to guess where the location was before the other person. Oh the days of AFN.....*sigh*
Posted by: Household6 at September 09, 2006 11:02 AM (AJdDU)
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It would only have been funnier if your appointment was good old "Doc" Foglesong (sp?) You just gotta love AFN!
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September 07, 2006
SWEET
We got orders yesterday. It's official: we're going somewhere hooah.
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When will the official statement of "where" be made?
Posted by: Vonn at September 07, 2006 11:20 AM (zn1zt)
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I just love it when orders come in! I often wonder when we are eventually out of the military, if I will still be wishing for new orders to come in 2 years after we settle in and don't actually have to move again!
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YAY!!Where,Where...Tell us Where!!!!
Posted by: Kelly at September 07, 2006 07:33 PM (sWY6N)
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