June 30, 2004
PROUD
Reason Number Six Billion Why I Love Soldiers:
Specialist Rodriguez is one example. He broke his leg some months ago. He was offered the chance to deploy out of Iraq. He chose to stay. When his unit was deployed to Karbala, he cut off his cast. A person told him today that "we aren't paid enough to do that." Immediately, he and the other soldiers responded that it isn't about the money; that we do this for much more important reasons.
(Thanks, Tim.)
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June 28, 2004
PRICE
From Band of Brothers, Part 8: The Last Patrol:
I wondered if people back home would ever know what it cost the soldiers to win this war. In America things were already beginning to look like peacetime: the standard of living was on the rise, racetracks and nightclubs were booming, you couldn't get a hotel room in Miami Beach it was so crowded. How could anyone ever know of the price paid by soldiers in terror, agony, and bloodshed if they'd never been to places like Normandy, Bastogne, and Haguenau?
The more things change...
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How could anyone ever know of the price paid by soldiers in terror, agony, and bloodshed if they'd never been to places like Normandy, Bastogne, and Haguenau?
This is very true and crucial, unfortunately. I suspect it will always be this way, as some things can only be understood through direct experience.
Posted by: cjstevens at June 28, 2004 06:28 PM (fDuiT)
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It might help if American TV news wasn't so whitewashed.
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June 25, 2004
SWEET!
Red 6, otherwise known as Best Friend, made it into
this BBC slideshow yesterday!
Hooah!
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Posted by: Beth at June 25, 2004 03:18 PM (ClfFX)
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That is a kick ass photo.
Heh, completely unrelated, but we have an airshow going on in this area this weekend. The Blue Angels are practicing right over my house as I type.
Posted by: John at June 25, 2004 04:04 PM (+Ysxp)
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My bad, wish I had my camera with me. I had to go out and check and it's actually an A-10 and a P-51 flying in formation around the flight line.
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REALIGNMENT
This has been a concern of mine as well...
Hefley said he was particularly concerned about the realignmentÂ’s potential effect on military families, since Pentagon leaders have sketched a scenario in which most families are based in the United States while their sponsors are sent periodically sent overseas for several months at a time for training exercises or missions.
Although extended separations are understandable in wartime, in times of peace, “I would be very reluctant to separate military families more than they already are,” Hefley said.
Feith said that the administration’s plans “should actually contribute to a better situation for families than currently exists.”
He described instances in which families move with their sponsor overseas, only to have the servicemember deploy to yet another place, leaving his dependents alone in a foreign country.
Why couldn't he have left me at Fort Hood? Bunker could be teaching me to play golf!
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I just applied for a different position at Hood. I'd prefer it there to being in Corpus Christi!
There will be time for golf lessons and some Shiner Bock on the River Walk when you get back to the land of the big PX.
Posted by: Mike at June 25, 2004 07:43 AM (MqNKC)
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I grew up a a navy kid, and my dad did tons of deployments for six to eight months overseas and we were unable to see him and lived CONUS. I don't see why the army can't do it, for the first time in a long time the Army as a whole is doing deployments and its hard for the families to adjust, I understand, however, why can't they live back stateside?
Posted by: sean at June 26, 2004 12:32 AM (BR7Fy)
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HELL
War may be hell, but we here in the rear live our own sort of personal hell.
For every soldier and Marine in Iraq, there are days of fierce battle, but there are also long stretches of calm and nothing. For every firefight they're in, they spend many more days standing around on guard or sandbagging. When that firefight comes, it's pivotal, but not every day is a raging battle.
For us in the rear, every day the news brings us another conflict. Monday it's Fallujah, Tuesday it's Najaf, Wednesday it's Baghdad, Thursday it's Baqubah, and by Friday we're back to Fallujah. For us in the rear, there are no calms in Iraq's storm. There's no time to catch your breath, no respite from the chain of casualties, no days of just standing on guard.
I try not to hang on the news out of Iraq, but yesterday was rough on me. Even my students noticed I was a quieter than usual. If I were self-absorbed, I would have been content with the email from my husband saying that he had made it to his destination and was shocked at how calm things were there. But once he was accounted for, my attention shifted back to all the other soldiers from his battalion who were waging war yesterday. Best Friend was still back there, and I was in knots all day thinking about him. Blue 6 was safe, but Red 6 was in the thick of it, and over the past year and a half I've grown to love Red 6 almost as much as I love my own husband. I'm just as invested in him as I am in my own family.
He responded to my frantic email this morning, breathless from his ordeal but in one piece. He said the insurgents are getting better at aiming...
If you've got one family member in Iraq, you can concentrate your anguish on one city. When you have friends all over the country -- one in Mosul, two in Tikrit, one in Baghdad, one at Anaconda, several god-knows-where, a whole battalion in Baqubah, and the most important platoon out on a mission -- you're never insulated from the danger.
You've always got one eye at the top of the casualty list, praying that "name not released yet" doesn't turn into someone you know.
MORE TO GROK:
Yesterday I had a bad feeling. I don't believe in premonitions, but it was the first time I really felt sick to my stomach thinking about my boys down there. I'll thank my lucky stars that I don't have THE POWER that Tim has!
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I cannot imagine Sarah. It's hard enough "knowing" many bloggers who are over there as well as their family members and worrying about them. If I could put a face with the name I might be insane by now.
Hopefully it helps to know that there are those of us out here that are supporting you, our troops and their families any way we can. Especially in thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: Tammi at June 25, 2004 11:58 AM (8r0pr)
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Yeah, what Tammi said...
I'm not even going to Iraq, but still to the Middle East to study in a few months, and I'm sure my parents will feel the same way about me, and for that I feel bad, b/c I know they'll be constantly glued to the news and computer.
Posted by: athena at June 25, 2004 09:14 PM (P2pz0)
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All I can say is *sigh*...and *nod.*
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June 23, 2004
VICTORY
My husband went to Najaf a few months ago to keep an eye on things until 1AD got repositioned. At the time, I couldn't understand why they didn't just go in and kill al-Sadr and get it over with. But that's why I don't make the tough decisions.
Army unit claims victory over sheik (via Andrew Sullivan)
To quote Xrlq, "ItÂ’s a good thing IÂ’m not the President because if I were, weÂ’d be carpet bombing the area until the survivors begged for mercy and admitted out loud that their allahu isnÂ’t so damned akbar after all."
Yessir, that's why he and I are not in charge.
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Good thing I'm not either. I would have sealed the borders after 9/11 and let the rest of the world fend for itself. Let's hope this more patient long term plan really works in the long term.
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CONVICTION
I started watching
Band of Brothers this week. I watched Parts I and II, and the thing that stuck with me most was the interview with the veterans at the beginning of each episode, especially the veteran who said that four young men from his hometown committed suicide when they were declared 4-F. They committed
suicide because they
weren't allowed to serve their country. Would that I had an ounce of their conviction...
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Suicide takes conviction? Finally Dr. Kevorkian has a right-winger who will support his work.
Posted by: Crake at June 23, 2004 07:33 AM (5gN2v)
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I have that box set.
It is one of the best series ever made by far.
The veterans speaking at the beginning really chokes me up sometimes.
I really like the episode that focuses on the medic. Very touching.
Posted by: athena at June 23, 2004 08:03 AM (P2pz0)
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I did a Band of Brothers marathon this Sunday, about 6 episodes I think. The medic one was great, I agree.
Another excellent series that I wish would be shown over and over is the one PBS did years ago, "I'll Fly Away" with Sam Waterston (sp?) and Regina Taylor. Every episode made me cry (with emotion, not necessarily sadness).
Posted by: MargeinMI at June 23, 2004 09:07 AM (/F3+H)
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Isn't this a false dichotomy? WWII America wasn't ancient Sparta: surely they had other options other than combat or suicide? Just because the army decided they could not fight for the country because of whatever physical or mental limitations they had, wouldn't there have been other options available to them?
I suppose taking one's own life requires conviction, but I don't think I can come to quite the same conclusion that you do. Heroics don't only occur on the battlefield. Wouldn't it have been better for them to find a way to help those at war or the families they left behind? At least then they'd have some purpose.
Posted by: Can't win at June 23, 2004 10:04 AM (aQOKC)
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Wouldn't it have been better for them to find a way to help those at war or the families they left behind? At least then they'd have some purpose.
Isn't that the tragedy of it Sarah is citing? Despair does different things to different people. Apparently some felt their lives meant nothing if they couldn't go fight the war. That doesn't make it right, but it certainly evokes a sense of commitment common in the country at the time.
Posted by: Mike at June 23, 2004 10:37 AM (MqNKC)
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Sarah - be sure to watch the bonus disc for the Actors Video Diary. It's great and I guarantee you will enjoy it.
Posted by: Toni at June 23, 2004 10:55 AM (SHqVu)
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First I read the book then watched as a marathon one saturday, all 10+ hours of it. Now I have seen it twice since on the History Channel, the last time I got my wife to watch it. Well done series. Unfortunately they do not cover one of the funniest things that these guys did when they found Hitler's limo at "Eagles Nest", they would ride around on it as if it was taxi. IF you get choked up now -- wait til Parts 9 and 10. David Schwimmer plays Captain Sobel exactly as I had portrayed in my head when reading the book. THe actor who plays Dick Winters is a British actor with a very thick english accent. As I said earlier a Great series.
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June 22, 2004
OURS
(Via
Blackfive)
Troops kill 13 in fierce 12-hour firefight near Baqubah
Sources in the governorÂ’s office claim that rebels who fought in Najaf and Fallujah during the insurgency uprising there in April and May are paid to travel to Baqubah to kill Americans and to undermine efforts by coalition forces to establish a new Iraqi government.
In my loudest roar: BRING IT ON!
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10 US Servicemen Die in Iraq, 11 Iraqis
Monday's toll (still incomplete but more complete than any one article I saw in any one language)
http://www.juancole.com/
I'm afraid it was "brought on". I can find no pleasure in this.
This is the good news that you have been wanting the press to report? That our tactics have devolved to seizing houses and leaving our troops in them as bait? That "the fledgling enforcers of law and order are still finding their way and barely even have enough equipment or the clout among the population to be totally effective"?
Posted by: jpenny at June 22, 2004 10:45 AM (FdJ2i)
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No, jpenny, this is not "good news". But it's news that concerns my husband, and if I want to cheer him on, then that's my own damn business.
I'd better shut up before I say something I'll regret...
Posted by: Sarah at June 22, 2004 11:41 AM (RrHid)
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Sarah:
You have loved ones in this situation. You deserve
considerable latitude. You have a lot of emotional
investment. But...
Asking for American troops to be attacked seems, at
best, an odd way to cheer your husband on, whether
roared or whispered. Please, don't tempt the fates.
Posted by: jpenny at June 22, 2004 12:21 PM (sq5S8)
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Sarah, you are right! To effeminate Bring it on! to Please, don't shoot me, does us no good. We are at war with Islamists. I recently heard a story about the hostages taken in Riyadh in Saudi. Not only men were taken hostage by these Islamists, but women and you know what they did? They lined up the women and slit their throats. So by hell, I say Bring it on! By saying it you are standing up for what is right. Our soldiers understand this better than most. We cannot sing kumbajah and all will be well. Our soldiers are not asking to be shot, but it is a way to find our enemies and to shoot them. So I thank God for them and for you. Because you are not speaking out of emotion, but out of the instinct to survive and to win.
Don't let anyone minimize that.
Posted by: Moor at June 22, 2004 04:49 PM (xvwyL)
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No man gets away from his reckoning, but with luck he may learn how to face it.
Neil Gunn (1891–1973), Scottish writer.
Blood Hunt (1952).
We may become the makers of our fate when we have ceased to pose as its prophets.
Karl Popper (1902–1994), Austrian-born British philosopher, 1975.
The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945).
A bad penny always turns up.
Anonymous.
Proverb.
A great fortune depends upon luck, a small one on diligence.
Anonymous.
Chinese proverb.
Blessings never come in pairs; misfortunes never come singly.
Anonymous.
Chinese proverb.
Bullets are shot by men and God deals them out.
Anonymous.
Mexican proverb.
God is always on the side of the big battalions.
Anonymous.
Proverb.
One man's fate is another man's lesson.
Anonymous.
African (Swahili) proverb.
Two bullets never go in one place.
Anonymous.
U.S. proverb.
Fates are hard to determine in the face of war.
Moor.
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If you would be reveng'd on your enemy, govern yourself.
-Benjamin Franklin, *Poor Richard's Almanac*
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June 18, 2004
ABUSE
An interesting
letter from a Major in the Marine Corps Reserve:
The analogy is simple. For years, you have watched the same large, violent man come home every night, and you have listened to his yelling and the crying and the screams of children and the noise of breaking glass, and you have always known that he was beating his wife and his children. Everyone on the block has known it. You ask, cajole, threaten and beg him to stop, on behalf of the rest of the neighborhood. Nothing works. After listening to it for 13 years, you finally gather up the biggest, meanest guys you can find, you go over to his house, and you kick the door down. You punch him in the face and drag him away. The house is a mess, the family poor and abused — but now there is hope. You did the right thing.
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Ah, if life were only that simple. I'll pass most of the flawed bits about a neighborhood (a better comparison would be a ghetto), the absence what happened before those 13 years (we helped the asshole beat up his neighbor asshole), that on behalf of the rest of the neighborhood thing (no, the rest of the neighborhood wasn't waiting for a vigilante), the fact that you entered his house because of the children (coz you really made up some shit about having a gun he wasn't supposed to have), the fact that nothing happened in those 13 years (while what we really did was stopping the milkman from bringing dairy and throwing rocks through the windows if he decided to step somewhere in his house were we decided he couldn't be. And once in a while we entered the house to look for the gun he said he threw away, again and again finding nothing) but will just adjust the final sentence.
After messing up the house - and incidentally kicking one of the children in the head (hey, war is hell) leaving him with permanent brain damage, we stay there, calling up some friends to 'repair the damage', who then go through the asshole's valuables. One of the children believes (rightly or wrongly) you've been their long enough and decides to stand up to you, so you decide to kill this child and lock his sister up in the closet. You say to yourself, "You did the right thing", not understanding what you have become.
Posted by: Sander at June 18, 2004 06:41 AM (9v8mw)
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P.S. I understand that my analogy is only marginally more apt, since it still misses quite a bit of nuances, but after finetuning it again and again and again you'll just end up with the current situation in Iraq. I guess I'm trying to say: Iraq is way beyond simple analogies.
Posted by: Sander at June 18, 2004 07:00 AM (9v8mw)
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I think it would be more appropriate to say that his deranged friend who lives next door comes over and starts picking fights with everyone trying to clean up, but hey, believe whatever you want at this point.
Posted by: CD at June 18, 2004 09:50 PM (f97u+)
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And I think that we're missing the fact that the battered wife, when left to her own devices,
may also be a child abuser.
Also, of course, by going in there with your tough guys (instead of calling the cops), you were actually trespassing in his house, and when the cops do come, they will send you to jail-- except that you have far more firepower than the cops, and you're also an off-duty police officer yourself (in fact, you're the deputy chief of police).
There, I think the analogy's pretty simple
and correct now. Although, we're probably missing something.
Posted by: syrup at June 18, 2004 10:38 PM (r+eQ4)
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Did everyone forget the rest of the letter? To focus on the analogy of a child beating father is to purposely ignore the rest of the letter that asserts that all the soldiers believe they did the right thing. I guess our soldiers were wrong for helping free people from the concentration camps. History keeps repeating itself. Tyrants kill under the guise of ideology: Hitler--Nazism, Stalin--Communism, Saddam--Islam: all with one goal to control its people and brainwash them to believe in order for them to survive under the tyrants rule.
Posted by: Moor at June 19, 2004 12:40 PM (xvwyL)
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Sarah,
I wonder what you and your previous readership feel about the folks that comment on your blog now? Fortunatly for all of us (those who disagree with most of the things you say, but in a respectful manner included) the embarrasingly adolescent posters have left. But here we are, the people who never knew that you existed a week ago, reading the positions that you put forward and commenting on them. Does it enrich the experience of this little experiment you are having? Is there resentment?
I hope that it helps us all to understand the other side. I for one (and I believe that you would be surprised that I am not alone) support our military, wholeheartedly supported Afganistan, but am opposed to the war in Iraq and the current administration.
I offer this story about our "Friend" Saudi Arabia as a small hint of the hypocrisy in the statements supporting the war in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1874471.stm
via "The Religious Policeman":
http://muttawa.blogspot.com/
Posted by: tenmilekyle at June 19, 2004 01:45 PM (p1NOk)
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The analogy is fatally flawed.
What's omitted is that for a period of nearly two decades we knew this 'violent man' was beating his wife and abusing his family. We not only knew it and tolerated it--we sometimes gave the 'violent man' help and assistance in brutalizing his family. And, on occasion, when other people spoke out against the violence--we provided cover for the 'violent man' or actively denied the 'violent man' was doing anything untoward.
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June 17, 2004
PACING
I've received input from several people lately about the War in Iraq vs. the War on Terror. The common sentiment was that the War on Terror is good and necessary but that Iraq didn't figure into it. They said that we should have focused on areas of terrorism other than Iraq, such as Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or Iran. They believe that taking the war to Iraq was a waste of time and energy and had no real connection to the War on Terror.
I was reminded of their common idea when I read this post today, where David quotes Nelson Ascher:
There were many reasons to invade Iraq, from the WMDs that are being slowly found to SaddamÂ’s links to Al Qaeda, links about which what we know is already enough to be considered a casus belli. Obviously, with time weÂ’ll know more about both things. But the geo-strategic reasons were even more important: after all Iraq has borders with Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran, none of which could have been invaded as easily, quickly and legitimately. Besides, Iraq was a good place from were to scare other governments in the region, that is, the pour encourager les autres factor.
Yes, Iraq is strategic. It gets us a lot closer to other terror-supporting states, and a democracy in the middle of these other states will make a big difference. But there are many reasons for extending the War on Terror to Iraq. Let's not ever forget that part of the reason for invading Iraq was because Hussein had not done what he was supposed to do after the Gulf War, as QandO has laid out in detail in Justification: A Post-War Review. The fact that large quantities of WMDs have not been found (nevermind that we found sarin-filled IEDs or that the UN admits Hussein shipped weapons out on the eve of war) cannot possibly rewrite history enough to hide the fact that everyone thought Iraq had WMDs. Iraq seemed to be a bigger threat than perhaps she turned out to be, but that's hindsight we didn't have before.
Yes, I do think we need to continue to focus on Afghanistan, and we are: many of my students are already slated to head to Afghanistan at the end of the year. I do think that Iran and Syria are in the plans for the future, that is if President Bush is re-elected and continues to take the War on Terror seriously. Their uppance will come. As Instapundit said, "this is a marathon, not a sprint, and pacing is required."
When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we went to war against Germany. They seem unrelated when you put it that way, right? Was WWII Also Unjustified? Military strategy is a complicated process, and this War on Terror will take years. Many people seem to think that they could do a better job of leading the troops and our government, but I am not one of those people. For all the mocking he endures, the President is not stupid. In no way do I think I'm smarter than he, or Rice or Rumsfeld; they know far more about the intricacies of the War on Terror than I ever will. I think it's a tad arrogant of these people who have voiced their opinions to me lately to think that they know better than our leaders which countries warrant our attention over others. Just because we read a few articles doesn't mean we are privy to everything our leaders know.
I have faith that our leaders have spent far more hours than I have studying our options, and I trust that this War will be fought on several fronts for years to come. Pacing is required.
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Sarah, just a quick reminder, when Dec 7 happened and Roosevelt declared war on Japan on Dec 8, Germany by way of a pact with Japan DECLARED WAR ON THE U.S.!!!! Otherwise we would have had a damned hard time justifying interceding in the european theater. As for your comment that you don't think you're smarter than the president, I bet you got something better than the 1.67 GPA I have seen mentioned he had @ Yale. (I have only seen this once, and have not been able to find it again, so the veracity is in doubt) I would like to re-iterate a few facts for your readership, of the 19 hi-jackers involved in Sept 11, 15 were Saudi nationals, absolutely NONE were Iraqi. So we divert attention from Afghanistan to invade a soveriegn nation?? A nation I would remind you that had nothing to do with the attacks of Sept 11. I think large scale military action is nearly useless in fighting terror, we need better intelligence, closer work with the leaders of the nations that have these terror cells in them, and to use the military might in small scale elite force actions. (Think the Israeli's @ Entebbe Airport) You may disagree, but that is my take on how we should be prosecuting this "war" from my experience in the Air Force.
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at June 17, 2004 03:44 AM (4pVZJ)
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P.S. You still have faith in our leaders? I sure don't anymore as that little matter called Watergate is still a vivid memory, you know that "scandal" where Milhous (whom I admired for his intellect) tried like hell to subvert the constitution on the U.S.?
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at June 17, 2004 03:54 AM (4pVZJ)
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In my opinion, GPA is not an indicator of intelligence; it's more an indicator of "being good at school". I graduated with a 3.93, and I don't consider myself to be all that smart.
Posted by: Sarah at June 17, 2004 03:57 AM (4xLPl)
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And, for the record, I trusted President Clinton when he said he hadn't had sex with that woman. He broke my heart when he lied.
Posted by: Sarah at June 17, 2004 04:04 AM (4xLPl)
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So the war in Iraq is justified because it's "close" to countries responsible for 9/11.... Well, I'm from Canada, so I hope the newly born terrorists in Iraq don't have that same mentality if they ever try to retaliate against the U.S.
Also, I think that until we start thinking of terrorists as actual people with motives and reasons, and until we actually address those motives and reasons, terror and the War on Terror (as it now seems to be capitalized) will go on indefinately, no matter how many different countries are bombed to pieces.
Posted by: J at June 17, 2004 04:24 AM (5gN2v)
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So, since Germany declared war on the US, thats why the first troops we used were in Africa and Italy, and not Germany.
Shouldn't we have just parachuted directly into Berlin to be justified, and left all other countries out of the conflict?
This constant theme that this war is only about getting someone back for 9/11 is idiotic and blatantly false. The war is about ending the production of terrorists and the use of those tactics to push a political agenda by eliminating the corrupt regimes that produce them. Iraq was just another strategic battle. It is not the end, nor it should not be. If Iraq is the end of the war, then we have lost. It is indisputable that Iraq fostered terrorists across the board. Whether or not he signed the checks that bought plane tickets for 9/11 is irrellevant.
Saudi's were used by Bin Laden because he wants to bring down the Saudi regime as well, and what better way than to focus the blame where he wants it focused? Seems alot of people have bought that bit of strategic thinking.
Wasn't there another president in recent history who was supposed to have been dumb as a post for his eight years in office, but history has shown how great his impact was on the whole world?
Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer, yet his was one of the most disastrous presidencies last century. Degrees and GPA's do not translate into automatic success. Strength and willingness to lead, even when the decision is unpopular, have a greater impact than what grades one got in school 30 years ago.
Asking the governments of countries who have terrorists camps in their midst to combat them is nice. But what do you do when they say they are doing so on one hand, while on the other they are providing support to the very same groups? You cannot just use commando tactics for assassinating certain people. Both large and small scale tactics are needed. Including removing the offending government.
And yes, better intelligence is the key, but how to get that intelligence when we can't even use a minor thing like humiliation of terrorists to elicit information?
Posted by: John at June 17, 2004 04:43 AM (crTpS)
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OMFG.....
"Also, I think that until we start thinking of terrorists as actual people with motives and reasons, and until we actually address those motives and reasons, terror and the War on Terror (as it now seems to be capitalized) will go on indefinately, no matter how many different countries are bombed to pieces."
Of course they are people. They are people who want to kill you, your neighbor, your unborn grandchildren. Why? It isn't because the US uses alot of oil, it is because they are islamists who are trying to dominate the entire world because their religion tells them that it is what their god demands.
How do you reason with a religious fanatic who has as his ultimate goal your death, as well as everyone who isn't a muslim.
Why don't you just become a muslim and that way you won't be killed.
Just like all the muslims in Saudi, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, the Palestinian territories, Spain, Indonesia... etc... who haven't been killed by terrorist bombs.
"So the war in Iraq is justified because it's "close" to countries responsible for 9/11.... "
See my prior comments strategry......
And by all means, keep your head in the sand. You might not hear the AK-47 aimed at you when they come to shoot you too.
Posted by: John at June 17, 2004 04:54 AM (crTpS)
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Duh....
"See my prior comments on strategery...." is what I meant to say.
Being a Canadian will not shield you. If the US withdraws every soldier and citizen from all parts of the world, stops using oil, gives away all its money, and provides free medical care to the world, do you really think that peace will suddenly envelope the globe?
They hate the 'West'. Which to them means any and all liberal democratic societies. That is what they want to destroy, read what they say. It isn't like it is hidden, or secret.
Posted by: John at June 17, 2004 05:01 AM (crTpS)
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bah, this stupidity about strategery is pissing me off. First of all, the rationale for war was non-compliance with resolution 1441. Since this non-compliance was supposed to be judged by the UNSC, but wasn't, this was an illegal war, as was also stated by
Richard Perle, Hans Blix and
a host of UN lawyers. (Yeah, yeah, screw the UN, I know).
2. "WMD's that are slowly being found" is a load of crap. The sarin-grenades were leftovers from the Iran-Iraq war and not part of an ongoing WMD-program. No one that was part of the hunt for WMD (David Kay, UNMOVIC) believes they'll find anything anymore. By the way, the World Tribune article is a gross misrepresentation of what UNMOVIC said about the Iraqi materials found overseas. Please stop swallowing crap supplied by oncorrigable war-hawks and do some of your own reasearch.
3. "Iraq-Al Quaida links" are close to non-existent (don't you people read the news?), which is in stark contrast to links between Al Qaida and many other countries, including US allies (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia).
4. Drawing WOII parallels is just so incredibly ignorant I don't even know where to start. Parachuting into Berlin? There was this little thing about a Third Reich, you know.
5. Which brings me to the final point. Invading a secular state, which was at best minor player in anti-US/Israel terrorism led to pissing off generations of Arabs, greatly increasing Al-Qaida recruitment and leaving the US army incapable to strike a real threat effectively.
6. The WoT is not a war between countries, it's a war between the forces of moderacy and the forces of extremism. Waging a dumb war like in Iraq only increases extremism and is therefore by far the dumbest strategery I've seen in my life.
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That's also why I find Sarah's naiveté dangerous. Despite all the facts contary to this administration's assertions, she continues to trust their insight, because she believes they're smarter than she is. But smart men make mistakes, smart men deceive, smart men lie. A docile populace is all that it takes for such men to thoroughly screw their country.
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Posted by: Sander at June 17, 2004 10:06 AM (9v8mw)
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Do you think people have the right to fight against an oppressive regime? If so do the Saudi people have the right to fight against the regime that is oppressing them?
Posted by: s at June 17, 2004 10:07 AM (AmfhK)
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The invasion of Iraq is a continuation of the Gulf War. It is something that should have been done much earlier, preferably in 1991. Unfortunately, Bush 41 agreed to do what the UN wanted and stopped. In retrospect, that was a huge mistake. Yet some still want Bush 43 to "go to the UN", even though they chastise his father for doing just that. Doesn't make sense to me. Clinton had several opportunities, but politics intervened.
Iraq is the ideal spot to hit first. We could not hit Saudi Arabia first because of logistics. And if you are concerned about gas prices now, imagine what they would be if we had hit the Saudis intitially. They are on the military hit list, I can assure you. But the State Department is full of people hoping to retire on Saudi money, and who want diplomacy (with all its abuses and failures) to succeed.
Strategically, Iraq is ideal. A representative government in the middle of the mess that is the Middle East puts pressure on Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia, not to mention Jordan and the Palestinians. Make no mistake about it. They understand, and will do everything they can to destabilize the country. Syria, in particular, has a stake in Iraq. There has already been at least one strike planned against Syria, but not carried out. There will be more, and Assad knows this. Iraq can be the ideal base for quick strikes anywhere necessary in the area. And the withdrawl of forces from Saudi Arabia now gives us more freedom to operate, including in Saudi Arabia.
First of all, the rationale for war was non-compliance with resolution 1441. Since this non-compliance was supposed to be judged by the UNSC, but wasn't, this was an illegal war, as was also stated by Richard Perle, Hans Blix and a host of UN lawyers. (Yeah, yeah, screw the UN, I know).
1441 does, in fact, say there will be "dire consequences" for failure to comply. Actually, it was unnecessary because the original cease-fire agreement gave authority to
any nation to take action if Saddam didn't comply.
Posted by: Mike at June 17, 2004 11:46 AM (cFRpq)
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Wow,
two links to me in a single post? I'm deeply honored.
Posted by: CavalierX at June 17, 2004 01:11 PM (R9DSb)
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Mike,
do you believe that a pro-American democratically chosen government will be installed in the next few years and do you believe the positive effect of this outweighs that of the increased recruitment of terrorists in the same period (plus that of last year). If you reject either of these premises, strategery has failed.
1441 does, in fact, say there will be "dire consequences" for failure to comply. Actually, it was unnecessary because the original cease-fire agreement gave authority to any nation to take action if Saddam didn't comply.Please cite a lawyer of an international body who claims this. Since resolution 687 has no enforcement mechanism, violation of this resolution is not a legal pretext for war. If it did, then as you say, Iraq was fair game for any country, which of course be unacceptable for the UNSC.
Posted by: Sander at June 17, 2004 01:17 PM (9v8mw)
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And lawyers are now relevant in international relations because...?
1441 says: "Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area.
"Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of estoring international peace and security in the area,"
I guess a lawyer could parse that however he liked.
Posted by: Mike at June 17, 2004 02:43 PM (YyIUS)
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There's been a substantial body of expert opinion diametrically opposed to the invasion of Iraq.
Interestingly, many of these same experts were also opposed to the previous administration's botching of both domestic terrorism and international terrorism policy.
It's not black and white, nor are the professionals in terrorism studies political partisans.
And a useful point to bear in mind is that Saddam had (past tense) chemical weapons capability. He never had biological or nuclear capability. But Iraq was disarmed by the combined actions of the UN, the Clinton administration and the Brits. Operation Desert Fox was the end of it. But it was not the end of the uncertainty. Those aren't the same things.
So, credit where credit is due: Clinton, not Bush, disarmed Saddam.
Posted by: Warbaby at June 17, 2004 03:46 PM (IyXOG)
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"So, since Germany declared war on the US, thats why the first troops we used were in Africa and Italy, and not Germany. Shouldn't we have just parachuted directly into Berlin to be justified, and left all other countries out of the conflict?"
First off, I have to agree with the poster who said WW2 parallels are ignorant... I'd go on to call them wishful thinking for those who need to believe that what's going on now means something. BUT, in response to the above quote, the reason Northern Africa and Italy were attacked first was because they were controlled by Germany, and the only route to Berlin before D-Day. The same cannot be said for Iraq. The bordered land known as 'Iraq' doesn't control people we consider terrorists, and is therefore not a route to ending terrorism. (If anything, the recent actions there only look like they've stirred up more anti-American resentment. Something the world really doesn't need more of.) This isn't a war that can be one by taking over lands - that's as silly as fighting a War on Poverty by bombing ghettos.
"How do you reason with a religious fanatic who has as his ultimate goal your death, as well as everyone who isn't a muslim."
Change that last word to Christian and that's who most Iraqis probably feel about Bush right now. It's all a little game that isn't going to end until minds and hearts are changed, on both sides.
Posted by: J at June 17, 2004 04:30 PM (5gN2v)
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>The bordered land known as 'Iraq' doesn't
>control people we consider terrorists
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume that you're
trying to say that Iraq had no ties to terrorists. In that case, I invite you to read
Saddam's Philanthropy of Terror for enlightenment on that point.
Posted by: CavalierX at June 17, 2004 11:54 PM (sA6XT)
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>Change that last word to Christian and that's
>who most Iraqis probably feel about Bush right
>now.
It's the "probably" that gives away the fact that this is how
YOU feel about the President. Don't project your personal hatreds and prejudices onto the Iraqi people, if you don't mind.
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I'm not real keen on the World Tribune. Yes, there's always the possibility that they have a scoop, but their track record isn't particularly good. For a good deconstruction of the World Trib article, look at Jim Henley's Unqualified Offerings. (Jim's not exactly a standard-bearer for the media elite.)
http://www.highclearing.com/archivesuo/week_2004_06_13.html#005423
Posted by: Darkwater at June 19, 2004 11:44 PM (rKvtT)
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Just for the record J, it was sarcasm about parachuting into Germany.
And, didn't you just do what you excoriated? Defining the current war under WWII terms?
As you say, and I was illustrating, they are not the same. However, all wars involve different circumstances and not just one battle. Iraq is a battle in a war, not a war unto itself.
The difference between Christians and Muslims here is that Christians aren't using suicide bombs strapped to humans and in cars to blow up civilians at random. Unless you have a few incidents to cite......
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June 15, 2004
BIRTHDAY
I was so busy with that damn poll stuff yesterday that I missed
the Army's birthday. You can't imagine how horrible that makes me feel.
Happy Birthday to the greatest institution I've ever had the privilege of being a part of.
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So here's what I think about
the new BDUs:
1. The boots are a great idea. No polishing. That means no more shoe polish on my bedspread, kitchen floors, recliner, and anywhere else my husband polishes. More comfortable boots is a definite improvement.
2. One uniform for both woodland and desert is also a good idea. We've spent quite a bit of money making sure he has enough of each, with everything sewn on all of them. Genius development.
3. Only summer weight -- good. Friendly fire refector -- good. Maximum comfort under the IBA -- excellent. Zippers instead of buttons -- smart. Pen and paper pocket -- cool.
4. Velcro-on name tapes and rank. Hallelujah, hallelujah. (See sewing disaster from 13 February.)
5. I see the soft cap. Are we getting rid of the goofy beret?
6. Centered rank. Gonna have to get used to that...took me a while to train myself to go to the right lapel instead of looking someone in the eye when we passed.
7. Getting rid of the branch insignia? I don't really like that one because I like to see where everyone's coming from. I'm nosy that way. But maybe my husband will get to wear the diamond for a little while before the uniforms change over.
Overall, as someone who will never actually wear the darn thing but who will spend a lot of time gazing lovingly at one who does, I approve.
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Zippers...in combat? Not sure about that one.
Buttons don't make noise. Buttons don't fail. If they fall off, you can always find a way to make do until you get a new one.
The digitized pattern is supposed to be far more difficult for night vision equipment to pick out. Sooner or later, everyone will have it.
Posted by: Mike at June 15, 2004 08:01 AM (cFRpq)
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As an Infantryman/Ranger, I have to agree with Bunker. The best new uniform that is out, are the ones the Marines wear. But an officer in some cubical, that has not done any thing in the woods for some years needs something for his/her OER, so they come up with this.
Posted by: Birdie at June 15, 2004 10:57 AM (cOl+a)
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Still, it's not green. That thing just seems to me like it will stick out like a sore thumb in Germany springs, summers, and fall. Winter, however, it will look good.
I'm not a big fan of the velcro though. Velcro makes noise, but then again, if I'm reaching in a pocket when bad guys are about, I'm too stupid. My hands should be on my weapon, not fumbling about for spare change. (Everything I need for combat is outside the uniform anyway, so in one sense, this isn't so much a problem, but still)
The only service insignia that needs to be on a uniform is crossed infantry rifles, to seperate the men from the playground monitors.
Posted by: Jason at June 15, 2004 12:34 PM (iE+3m)
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I don't know about the zippers and velcro. Zippers get caught and unaligned. Velcro can get clogged with dirt and mud particles and become useless. Also, if velcro gets wet it isn't nearly as strong.
I might sew some inconspicuous backup buttons on my field BDUs, maybe the snapping kind, hidden undernieth the flaps.
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June 08, 2004
PARALLEL
I got home and got my slip of paper with the blog idea. It wasn't much after all; I just thought of a parallel last night. I watched
The Longest Day on Sunday because, well, that's the least I can do. I can't be sure what was hard fact and what was "dramatic effect", but the Germans in the movie kept insisting that the invasion would never be at Normandy and it would never be at night or in the rain. They insisted that the Americans were predictable and that invading Normandy was illogical. It reminded me of the Shock and Awe Campaign, where everyone insisted that Iraq would start with heavy aerial bombing and then ground troops would move in much later. The whole world was shocked and awed when the Marines rolled in earlier than expected.
Pundits all over like to predict what our military will do and pronounce certain events as catastrophic or quagmirish before they have all the pieces of the puzzle. I'm sure that there are things that the military could work on, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they often are planning moves we could never predict.
That's what makes them the best, I guess.
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Everyone on television and in the news wants to predict rather than report. And they can't understand why the President or our military leaders won't tell them everything. What we don't know is precisely what the leaders are using to make decisions. The most we can possibly hope for is to guess. And journalists are pretty poor at that because they have no shared experience to go by.
Posted by: Mike at June 08, 2004 04:57 PM (cFRpq)
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What I'd love to see the media say:
"Well, we were wrong about how the Iraq war would happen, we totally screwed up on our projections that the battle for Baghdad would lead to huge loss of life, and we also blew it with the whole "Afghanistan has never been successfully invaded" thing... but (and you can trust us- look at our track record) here's what's going to happen in Iraq, next..."
Posted by: Jack Grey at June 09, 2004 10:42 AM (3nn57)
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In the Gulf War, we fooled them too. Remember they thought the Marines would launch an amphibious attack into Kuwait. Instead we gave them the famous "left hook."
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Based on a book by Cornelius Ryan, The Longest Day is pretty true to its source, and the Cornelius Ryan book is extremely well sourced and accurate (as is his other book, A Bridge Too Far).
As I recall very little strays from the book, and hence from the history. Though at the time the movie was made, since few movie critics knew anything about the war and had never bothered with Ryan's book, called some of it pure fantasy. Funny thing though, it was the most unbelievable scenes that actually happened. Truth stranger than.....
Kal
Oh, HIYA,
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June 06, 2004
JOE AND TOMMY
On Thursday I read an article in the Stars and Stripes that unfortunately was only in the dead-tree version of the paper. The article was called "German pupils have different view of war" and began:
Young Germans say they weren't taught that D-Day and the ensuing battles brought the defeat of Germany in World War II.
The reporter talked to students at the University of Heidelberg and found that many of them have never heard of Joe and Tommy:
Some of the Heidelberg students hadn't even heard of D-Day. "'Saving Private Ryan?'" said Anna Fischer, 19, of Karlsruhe. "Oh, that's D-Day."
Merde in France found that young people in France have also forgotten about Joe and Tommy:
Most French high school history textbooks are skimpy on the details of D-Day. They tend to focus closely on the challenges and dilemmas of living in occupied France. In a leading text, the Normandy invasion is described in just two paragraphs.
The young people in France and Germany have forgotten, but the Dissident Frogman has not. Last year he wrote Consecration:
To the eye, Bloody Omaha is just a sandy beach.
No white crosses, no huge memorial, no visible signs of those who sacrificed themselves and fought for freedom. No sign of those who fell for it.
Yet I remember "Joe" and "Tommy", heroes with no names but so many faces, who came here one day, fighters for a just cause, in a liberation army.
I was told about them, I read books about them, I saw pictures of them, and I watched interviews and movies. I heard their stories. The Joe and Tommy who got through this, told me about their brothers who didn't.
And they show me why they didn't fall in vain.
I have not forgotten either, though I know no one who was personally there. But I know who Joe and Tommy are, and I felt them with me when I took these pictures five years ago.
We must do what we can to keep Joe and Tommy alive. Read Consecration today. Visit Blackfive and get the history lesson that students in Germany and France are no longer receiving. Or simply take a moment to look at those white crosses -- and note the Star of David too -- and silently thank Joe and Tommy for what they did 60 years ago today.
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In my ingnorance I had no idea that the young people in France and Germany have not been taught about D-Day. That breaks my heart.
Posted by: Tammi at June 06, 2004 02:34 PM (uFT83)
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Looks like Gerhard Schroeder doesn't get it either:
http://www.vodkapundit.com/archives/005928.php#005928
Posted by: beth at June 06, 2004 08:05 PM (eWK4H)
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I don't know any French or any German who haven't been told about D-Day. Were the precise figures given in the Stars and Stripes? This information looks very strange to me. WW2 and DDay in particular are central points in history teaching programs in France and in Germany. Nobody underestimates nor forgets what happened
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June 04, 2004
ACCURATE
Kevin Sites' post seems to be an accurate picture of what life is like for the combat arms Soldiers: laughter, anger, death, superstition, homesickness, and a maturity that far surpasses their tender ages.
(Thanks, Beth.)
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Kevin does a good job. I made noises about no Ernie Pyle in this war, and I think he heard me. Unfortunately, some of his commenters want to turn everything to politics.
Posted by: Mike at June 04, 2004 04:45 PM (3b89y)
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MOVING
I thought this was only news on the German radio -- where they're talking about the loss of 40,000 jobs -- but Bunker
pointed out that the details are in this New York Times article called
A Pentagon Plan Would Cut Back G.I.'s in Germany. It requires registration, so I will highlight the important bits.
First there are details of the plans, which won't be officially announced for another two months.
Under the Pentagon plan, the Germany-based First Armored Division and First Infantry Division would be returned to the United States. A brigade equipped with Stryker light armored vehicles would be deployed in Germany. A typical division consists of three brigades and can number 20,000 troops if logistical units are included, though these two divisions have only two brigades each in Germany, with the other brigade in the United States.
In addition, a wing of F-16 fighters may be shifted from their base in Spangdahlem, Germany, to the Incirlik base in Turkey, which would move the aircraft closer to the volatile Middle East; a wing generally consists of 72 aircraft. Under the Pentagon plan, the shift would be carried out only if the Turks gave the United States broad latitude for using them, something that some officials see as unlikely.
The Navy's headquarters in Europe would be transferred from Britain to Italy. Administration officials are also discussing plans to remove some F-15 fighters from Britain and to withdraw the handful of F-15 fighters that are normally deployed in Iceland, though final decisions have not been made.
Then there's the snide commentary from the Lefties:
But some experts and allied officials are concerned that a substantial reduction in the United States military presence in Europe would reduce American influence there, reinforce the notion that the Bush administration prefers to act unilaterally and inadvertently lend support to the French contention that Europe must rely on itself for its security.
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Other specialists have warned that the greatest risk is the possible damage to allied relations.
"The most serious potential consequences of the contemplated shifts would not be military but political and diplomatic," Kurt Campbell and Celeste Johnson Ward of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies wrote in an article published last year in the journal Foreign Affairs, well before the extent of the changes now planned became known."Unless the changes are paired with a sustained and effective diplomatic campaign, therefore, they could well increase foreign anxiety about and distrust of the United States."
My thoughts: tough. Germany and France are not our allies anymore.
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"...inadvertently lend support to the French contention that Europe must rely on itself for its security..." May be that is what we 'advertently' want. Why the hell shouldn't Europe rely on itself for its security? Why should we pay for their security with our blood and treasure in return for obstruction and snide remarks. Its about time for Europe to grow up and be responsible instead of bitching about and preaching to us. "...the greatest risk is the possible damage to allied relations..." Allied relations is not a one-way street. France and Germany have never cared about damaging allied relations, haven't they? One thing about the left that I can't stand is their patronizing attitude, they put all burdens of responsibility on us and treat everybody else like a child, a fragile little child to be placated.
Posted by: ic at June 04, 2004 03:46 PM (1J+35)
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Sarah,
I know how you feel about MSNBC.com, but I had just been reading about this on that site and checked your blog to see if you'd heard about it. If you want to see the more cautious tone of msnbc.com about whether the military actually plans to maket those moves, read it here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137501/
Posted by: Kate Ross at June 04, 2004 04:02 PM (L2+yu)
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I should do more surfing before sending emails! I sent you a link to this story. Oh well.
Posted by: Beth at June 04, 2004 10:49 PM (9gagj)
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"reduction in the United States military presence in Europe would reduce American influence there"
Who cares? Anyway we still have McDonalds there, that's all the American influence they need.
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June 02, 2004
HERO
CavX wrote about three military heroes. I had read the first two stories, but I had not yet read
the last one. I'm completely overwhelmed by CPL Dunham...
None of the other Marines saw exactly what Cpl. Dunham did, or even saw the grenade. But they believe Cpl. Dunham spotted the grenade — prompting his warning cry — and, when it rolled loose, placed his helmet and body on top of it to protect his squadmates.
I can't even think of anything to say.
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I had to go look at the puppy after I finished reading about Cpl. Dunham. He is truly a hero and deserves the Medal of Honour.
Posted by: nancy at June 03, 2004 03:40 AM (boDJK)
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This man is one of my heroes. He couldn't have shown any greater love than to give his life for his friends.
Posted by: Erin at June 03, 2004 06:06 PM (iOOig)
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I read this story through a link the other day. What an awsome soldier. It's not often I'm moved to tears on the web (except of course for James Lileks and Frank J.), but this one really got me. How lucky are the guys that served with this wonderful American! G-d bless him and his family, and the U.S.A.
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