December 31, 2004
TRASH HEAP
Bunker wrote about the notion that the military is
"society's trash heap", and I only have one thing to add. Having taught four sections of college English, I can say that the soldiers in my classes are just like students in any other classes. There are those who work hard, those who make excuses, and those who simply don't show up. I have had numerous non-native speakers who have taken my class and excelled because they worked hard to improve the English that they barely had learned by basic training. I have had students whose foundations have really impressed me; they must have worked hard in high school. And I've also had students who don't want to think for themselves and call me every time a paper is due to ask me what they should write. I believe that's the same cross section as I had when I taught at University of Illinois, and I imagine it's the same for any class anywhere.
The one difference I see is when my students write their narrative paper on one incident in their lives that has made them who they are today. That's when things start to get serious. By and large, my students have overcome extreme obstacles to get to this point in their lives, far more so than my college friends or I have. They've survived gang shootings, jail sentences, IEDs, domestic abuse, immigration without being able to speak English, combat deaths of their friends, and extreme poverty to get to where they are today. Most are grateful to have been given the opportunity to be in college, and they take nothing for granted. They've worked hard to get where they are, far harder than most of my peers in college.
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December 28, 2004
THE P-WORD
It's common knowledge around here that I completely don't trust polls. Even ones that say things I want to hear. I certainly put no stock whatsoever in polls that say there's a 51-49% split, but I'm tempted to at least check out polls that report 60, 66, or 87% findings. I'll check them out, but they're still worth a grain of salt, because I think that people say what they think others want to hear and they consistently choose "fair" or "agree" as the default (I do this all the time when I have no strong feelings either way). So with skepticism in mind, I checked out the
Military Times Poll (via
Power Line).
Sixty-three percent of respondents approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, and 60 percent remain convinced it is a war worth fighting. And support for the war is even greater among those who have served longest in the combat zone: Two-thirds of combat vets say the war is worth fighting.
The soldier I spent Christmas with -- who just re-enlisted -- said that when he first deployed, he thought going to Iraq was a pretty dumb idea. After being there, he says he now sees why it is important.
In addition, despite the pressures of a wartime military, 87 percent said theyÂ’re satisfied with their jobs and, given the choice today, only 25 percent said they would leave the service.
The only soldier I know who might get out wants to do so because he's like an athlete who quits after Olympic gold: after being in Fallujah, there's nothing that could keep him satisfied. I'll give you one guess which lovable thrillseeker I'm talking about.
I know this poll has received arched eyebrows because it was mostly answered by career military, but they are the people I am most concerned about. To be honest, the views of the guy who only joined for the college benefits don't matter to me nearly as much as the ones who plan to stick around and see this fight through. I care about the 58% of those who said they're re-enlisting/extending because of "patriotism". They're the ones who are going to make sure the war in Iraq is a success.
(The last time I wrote about a poll, vitriolic nutjobs came out of the woodwork to defend the poll's findings and call me hateful names because I said that a poll with 1230 respondents and a margin of error +/- 3% might not be accurate of the population. (Which I said because the questions were ridiculously loaded, and as it turns out, the poll skewed heavily Democrat.) Let's see if those same people -- those who liked the results of that poll -- come back to tell me that I should indeed listen to the results of this poll with 1,423 respondents, +/- 2.6%. I won't hold my breath.)
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Sarah - I didn't realize drinking an entire bottle of hot sauce was an Olympic event. Hmm. But I guess if ping-pong could make it in - anything else can.
Posted by: Kathleen A at December 28, 2004 07:38 AM (vnAYT)
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Reprising that previous polling post, when the Atrios trolls invaded, I get a smug feeling post-election.
Posted by: John at December 28, 2004 08:35 AM (crTpS)
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because I said that a poll with 1230 respondents and a margin of error +/- 3% might not be accurate of the population
That's a pretty generous summary, to say the least.
Posted by: Sadly, No! at December 28, 2004 04:31 PM (uSSUZ)
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I just read the comments to the other post, holy crap!
Ok, I have a math degree (woohoo now the liberals know I am as smarty pants as they are) and even I can understand bias.
The sample size and rate of error means nothing if you are not randomly sampling people. How do we know who Gallup is calling? Many people criticize them and their polling methods, as well as others, saying they are not choosing a random sample, especially when it came to their polls of Iraqis.
For instance, even just the use of land line phone numbers skews the sample, since I don't know a single person under 30 that has a land line phone as their main phone, I know many that don't even have a land line at all.
Sample size also means nothing when you're asking loaded questions. You don't need to know anything to figure that out.
The controversy over the Kerry question, it obvously was NOT to say "did Kerry say this", it was meant as you said it, and it would be used as you said it, even though that's not what it said (it didn't actually say 'we need help, we need a new leader' but that's what people would make it out to be, and please, 3 part questions that you have to read twice to figure out, answered over the phone?)
Anyway like your site.
PlutosDad
http://eyesontheball.blogspot.com
News Satire that's right for you
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whoops, I meant "you don't need to know anything about statistics to figure that out"
:-)
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December 27, 2004
OUR FRIDGES
I bet you can all guess what happened when a blogger tried to
buy toy guns for his sons for Christmas. Think he could find any?
My friend and I were laughing the other day while I was looking at her refrigerator. She has several photos on display of her husband in Iraq, and she also has some drawings magneted up there -- I guess her husband mails home pictures he drew and then her two sons color them in. What I laughingly pointed out was how odd it would look in a non-military family to have a fridge covered in photos of Dad with his M16 and colored drawings of a soldier manning a 50cal in a HMMWV or a jet dropping bombs on buildings. But to us, those kinds of things are completely normal. My friend turned to her four year old son and asked him, "What's Daddy's job?" He gleefully replied, "Soldier!" They decided it was the coolest job a Daddy could have.
I don't have any kids to scar, but my fridge still bears my husband's zero target from the day he shot expert. I think it's awful cute.
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Hi and Merry Christmas!
I found your site via an email 2Slick sent me. I'm glad he did - love your site! I hope your holiday season is a joyous one! I also hope your loved one comes home safe and soon.
Take care!
Posted by: SgtMgr at December 27, 2004 04:15 AM (vTHO8)
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Sarah - the refrigerator pictures seem normal to me as I have pictures of the soldiers we sponsor on our refrigerator mixed in with pictures of the kids, etc.
Posted by: Kathleen A at December 27, 2004 07:28 AM (vnAYT)
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When we were stationed at Spangdahlem, Germany, and my oldest son was in kindergarten, he used to draw amazingly intricate battle drawings using stick figures no more than a quarter of an inch tall covering a full 8 1/2 by 11 inch sheet of paper.
There would be troops in the field shooting at other armies, tanks firing, jets bombing, ships offshore shelling the coasts, and on and on. His teacher was concerned about the violence in them (flame throwers, stick figures blown up flying thru the air, machine guns cutting other stick figures in half, etc.)
We asked him about it, and he pointed to one of his most recent drawings and said, "Here is daddy's jet dropping bombs on the bad people. It's just the bad people getting blown up."
He had a good grip on what was important, so we never gave him a hard time about it. Grew up to be a great kid.
Posted by: Bugz at December 27, 2004 03:34 PM (uKuUC)
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Keep that bzo sheet. I've always had trouble on the bzo exercises.
Posted by: James Sloan at December 28, 2004 12:38 AM (bCVhV)
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My husband was a very brilliant child; born in 1935 he was very aware of WWII. I still have the pictures of war he drew, his mother saved all his "works" and they are of planes dropping bombs, machine guns on the wings firing away, big blasts showing on the ground, etc. I also have a photo or two that he devised of planes crashing and burning. Of course, they were not American, they were Japanese. His Dad was in the Pacific, fixing planes in Hawaii.
My own sons, born in 1959 and 1961 drew pictures of war, but more of space ships and rockets. Little boys are like that.
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December 23, 2004
COMING TO A SPHERE NEAR YOU
1 Blog...
10 Veterans...
and millions of uninformed Civilians.
This could get ugly.
The battle begins January 1, 2005
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I can't wait! I am intrigued.
Posted by: Kathleen A at December 23, 2004 08:33 AM (vnAYT)
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I am curious what this will be, too. I'll just have to keep checking back !
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December 21, 2004
HAVE YOURSELF A HOOAH CHRISTMAS
The
1ID website has got the only holiday video you'll see that contains both toy distribution and explosions. Check it out.
I am leaving to take two friends to the airport, so I'll be out of blogging range for two days. More when I return.
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Wow! Great site and video - Thanks for the link :-)
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December 19, 2004
DEBT PAID
Until
Amritas put me on the spot, I didn't know the full details of
Charles Jenkins' desertion. (Remember he's the guy who was in North Korea for almost forty years and just turned himself in.) When I first heard the gist of the story, I thought he was despicable, but now I believe he's paid the price for his choice.
Jenkins' unit, he had learned, was scheduled to ship out soon to the live war in Vietnam, a prospect that terrified him. "I did not want to be responsible for the lives of other soldiers under me," he said during his court-martial trial last month. So Jenkins looked for a way out. He could confess his cowardice to superiors and accept the consequences or attempt somehow to flee. He chose the latter option.
He should have chosen the former. When you sign up for the military, you'd better be prepared for the worst assignment possible in exchange for that precious GI Bill. You don't get to pick and choose with the military -- as Paredes and Hinzman believe they can -- so if you break that contract you signed, you go to jail. You don't try to flee. That said, Jenkins paid dearly for his error in judgement, working as a slave to the North Korean government for 40 years, and turned himself in willingly at the first chance he could find.
He would plead guilty only to desertion and aiding the enemy (for the time he spent teaching English). In exchange, his penalty would be a maximum 30 days' confinement, a demotion to private, forfeiture of all pay and benefits and a dishonorable discharge. Military-law experts assume Jenkins won this relatively lenient treatment in exchange for providing intelligence about North Korean spy programs. Neither Jenkins nor the U.S. government will comment on any such discussions.
Jenkins has paid his debt to the military and to society, and he has likely suffered far more than if he'd stayed in the Army a few more years. His slate is clean in my book. Hinzman, on the other hand, has far more 'splainin' to do.
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"He was young.. he did something dumb. The consequences were pretty severe.... I'd agree he's been punished far worse then our system of justice would have handled him. He didn't go to the media or the Anti-war left (Perhaps he knows something about them he imparted to the government).. he cooperated and to his lumps (he still gets the dishonerable discharge I noted) abeit not that hard.
I'd also say he'd paid his debt to soceity.. anything else is between him and whatever god he believes in.
Posted by: LarryConley at December 19, 2004 04:12 AM (y5h4n)
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Rodger Young had a similar predicament. His hearing was going and as an NCO he realized that he might endanger those he was in command of. He didn't want to be responsible for the lives of those was in command of under those circumstances.
He chose a different way. Rather than desert his country and his comrades, and rather than turn to his country's enemies for help in the matter he requested, and was granted, a demotion to private.
He died saving his unit from a machine gun emplacement. After being wounded several times he continued to crawl towards the emplacement, taking it out and saving his unit.
I'd say something along that lines would have impressed me; Jenkins betrayal (not simple desertion since he defected to an enemy nation) of his country was simply despicable since he failed to try any other options and chose to run into the arms of America's enemy rather than find a way to serve his country and address his fears.
He did finally pay his debt to his country, though it took him decades to decide to do it. As I recall, there was no question of him paying that debt until the US made an issue of it, and originally it seemed he might have gotten treatment in Japan and gone back to Korea. So I'm not impressed that he might have chosen that course. I believe he simply got caught and was forced to face the music for his own heinous acts. Now if only the US would show the same dedication towards today's deserters in Canada.
"Shines the name, shines the name of Rodger Young."
Kalroy
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"it took him decades to decide to do it"
Let's suppose he decided to pay for his crime in, say, 1966. What should he have done? Should he have told his captors that he wanted to go back and face the music? Would they have let him go? I doubt it. Should he have died as a martyr under torture? It's easy for me to say "yes" because I haven't been in his shoes.
Posted by: Amritas at December 19, 2004 12:02 PM (JgC/w)
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Well, he could have made the decision when he went to Japan, but that doesn't seem to have been his aim. When he was on Japanese soil, away from North Korean power, I don't recall any account of him saying he has longed to pay his debt to America.
I could easily be wrong about this, but the first I recall him claiming to have had this change of heart was after Japan had decided to extradite him to the US to pay for his crime. I remain unconvinced that his final change of heart was not self-serving. The only evidence that this might be true is the word of a deserter and a traitor whose actions (failure to make this claim until it was certain he was going back to the US to face trial) seem to belie his words and pleas for forgivness and clemency.
So I'm not buying it. He could have easily made those same statements while under Japanese jurisdiction, before Japan decided to extradite him and he failed to.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at December 19, 2004 09:43 PM (i9w6W)
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Mind you, he's already done forty years hard time.
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December 17, 2004
FRIENDLY
Last week, Annika -- a cool blogger whose themes include poetry and ripping on Britney Spears -- interviewed me via instant messenger. She just tidied up the conversation and posted it on her blog. I think I sound like a huge tool, but I bet that's pretty representative of my real personality: I probably sound like that to everyone. Anyway, if you're interested in hearing me yabber for an hour, check out
Chicks Dig Tanks over at Annika's.
Annika and I touched briefly on Pat Tillman, a segment I would like to expand. I seriously didn't hear about the friendly fire until last week. I think the phrase "friendly fire" is is one of the worst things I can think of. I'd rather pretend it doesn't exist, but Tillman's death forced me to imagine the possibility.
2Slick wrote a long and detailed post on the anger the Tillman family feels, the "Army cover-up", and his thoughts on the matter. If you're interested at all in the subject, I highly recommend reading it. I think 2Slick summed up the crux of the controversy, at least for me:
There's a reason why the men involved refused to talk about the incident with the WaPo reporter. It makes them sick. Every single day. It's the first thing they think about when they wake up in the morning, and it's the last thing they think about when they go to bed at night. [...] But no amount of punishment could ever compare to the stomach-grinding guilt that these officers and soldiers will live with every single day of their lives. Please forgive the Army officials for not wanting to string these people up and administer public floggings.
Every now and then, I offer the same generic, sing-songy disclaimer: I have never been in the Army, I speak as a civilian, 75% of what I know comes from my husband, the other 25% comes from movies, etc, etc, etc. That said, I would like to return to the movie Courage Under Fire, which I mentioned twice was the reason I married my husband. I've been told that this movie is pretty emotionally accurate, and when I read 2Slick's post, I kept thinking about Denzel's character. He tortures himself throughout the whole movie for the friendly fire death he caused. In the end, the soldier's family says it's easy to forgive him, but now he has to learn to forgive himself.
One night right after CPT Sims was killed, I had a dream I was a soldier clearing buildings in Iraq. I shot someone who came rushing in the door and then realized he was an American. I woke up with the worst feeling imaginable, and that was just a dream. The guilt I felt based on a dream was so horrible that I can't begin to imagine the guilt of reality.
When your husband is deployed, you can't help but mentally plan for tragedy. I don't know if anything we mentally plan would actually hold up to reality, but we unconsciously work our way through various scenarios so that they're not uncharted territory should they ever come up. Last Wednesday I had to work my way through a mental friendly fire death. That was harder than anything I've imagined so far. But I know that it wouldn't be nearly as hard for me as it would be for the soldier who fired the round. That's how you would forgive something like that.
2Slick is right: there are only victims in a friendly fire, not villains. Is that the way anyone wants their soldier to go out? Hell, no. Is that the way Pat Tillman should've gone out? Not a chance. But I think I can honestly say that I would have an easier time dealing with being the family member than with being the soldier who shot America's hero.
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That's good stuff. Do you read Sassoon? I'd advise against it. There's more truth there than most can stand, but "gallant lies" are our Western Kabuki.
http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/7224/
It would be hard to lose a son in any way, but in the words of "The Great Santini", "It beats dieing of the piles".
One of the unspoken lessons of the recent Presidential election was the nebulous nature of heroism. Kerry who had a chestful of bullshit that he'd mailed in his boxtops for, and the legion of mostly ignored men who'd endured so much more, but would not endure his hypocrisy. Go take a look at the swiftboat vets commercials on their site, particularly the last one.
When I think of heroes, I think of "Mr. Roberts" and the scene where he's listening to Roosevelt's VE speech on the 1MC, and he decides to throw the palm tree overboard, and then his subsequent last letter to Ensign Pulver, where he observed that he'd been in the company of brave men "who sailed from tedium to monotony with occasional side-trips to boredom".
Tillman was heroic. The tragedy of his death is magnified by the fact that it came by the hands of heroes. "Only a beauty, only a power, sad in the fruit, but bright in the flower, endlessly erring for it's hour".
Posted by: Casca at December 17, 2004 01:41 PM (K4X2y)
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Good interview... and you got to mention Prufrock again! LOL
Posted by: CavalierX at December 17, 2004 08:20 PM (sA6XT)
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I'm honored at the mention of my name.
As to Casca's Santini quote--my father was a Santini, and I've actually met the real one!
Posted by: Mike at December 17, 2004 08:37 PM (b7AUG)
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""Sarah: I guess what I took from the book was that people get so caught up in what they think is right or what they're doing at the moment that they forget there are other ways of doing things. Mike came along and taught them to understand things and not just accept what they'd been told was true""
I think that is one of the best 'short' (ie shorter then the book) descriptions of Mike that I've ever read.... It also accounts for why so many were against him.
My personal favorites were Red Planet (2nd grade), Starship Troopers (read at various ages and getting something different every few years), and To Sail Beyond the Sunset (I do wish he had been able to do one final book to complete things but.. ah well)
Did you ever read the uncut version of stranger? Oddly.. without really looking I didn't see much difference.
Anyway Thanks for your insites.. its cause of folk like you, Smash, and Blackfive that I started to go beyond the CNN headlines...
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December 16, 2004
LUCKY
Man, how come I don't live in
Hanau?
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December 15, 2004
RED 6
1LT Neal Prakash from Albany, New York, a tank platoon leader with Alpha Company, 2nd Battalion, 63rd Armor, fires an AT-4 shoulder-fired rocket into a building in eastern Fallujah Nov. 10 after receiving fire from the site during Operation al-Fajr (New Dawn).
Compliments of the 1ID website, pointed out by an observant mother-in-law.
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Yeah, that AT-4 is a pretty little rocket. The Army tries to say it is an Anti-Armor weapon, but I say they gave it that designation before they actually shot a tank with it. About the only thing it is good for is blowing up cars and some buildings.
Rebel Rouser....OUT!
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December 14, 2004
HA
What's the answer to this comment?
I Understand you[r] explanation, but I think you are missing the point we (the angry at Rumsfeld) are trying to make. When the head of the Armed forces says, "You go to war with the Army you have, not the one you might want," and the timing of that war was determined by that man, it is a disrespect to the troops who are over there fighting and dying. It was Rumsfeld's responsibility to have the "Army we want" before going to war. The Pentagon ignored the Army War College's analysis of the course of events. All of this was predicted before we invaded. If Rumsfeld was not so arrogant, maybe these guys would not be asking these questions. "Even tanks get blown up," is NOT and adequate answer and it disrespects every man and woman over there. If he was in the private sector, he would have been thrown out on his ass a long time ago. You can respect the presidents decision to go to war, but you cannot respect our troops AND respect the way Rumsfeld runs things. He has been incompetent from the start and if you have friends or family over there, you should be as pissed as I am... just my two cents worth.
Rebel Rouser has the answer, complete with colorful language and plenty of punchlines. I read every last word of his answer; you should too.
And apparently he wrote Military Classes for Civilian Dumbasses first, which is just as good.
I like this guy. Reminds me of Deskmerc.
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Well Sarah. He summed it up pretty darn good. Thanks.
Posted by: Kathleen A at December 14, 2004 09:22 PM (vnAYT)
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What a load of crap! Sure, it's all Clinton's fault. It has nothing to do with the fact that Rumsfeld and the neocons went around for a year and a half and talked about how Iraq was going to be a cakewalk; or that Rummy denied for months that we were even in a guerilla war.
Americans are dying on a regular basis because of the decisions of Bush, Rumsfeld, etc. The right-wing has become so corrupted by their proximity to power that they can't bring themselves to hold the Bush administration responsible.
Posted by: clark at December 14, 2004 11:29 PM (K/pwz)
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Mr. Clark:
Please report to your nearest polling station and vote for Mr. Howard Dean. If it is closed, please inform the press of yet another BUSHITLERLIED!!! scandal. Please also drink your Kool-Aid. Further, please vote early, and often.
Oh, yeah: the election is over, and President Bush won?! Therefore, get over it. The truth of the matter is that first Mr. Carter eviscerated the military on his watch (and Pres. Reagan resurrected it, bringing up the Navy's ship inventory from a mere 300 to nearly 600 ships), then Mr. Clinton decided to "cash in" the so-called peace dividend (since the Soviet Union imploded); after all, the whole world was holding hands and singing "Kum-bah-yah". There was no need for any sort of military (well, except for a few cruise missiles--oh, and Kosovo).
Rebel Rouser's position re: 0.01% of Americans serve in the military is spot on: unfortunately, under Mr. Clinton's watch, that small number was reduced to an even lower value, along with other initiatives which further reduced the readiness and fighting capabilities or our Armed Services at that time. One obvious example (and Sarah will bear me out on this one, I am certain) is simple pay. It is grossly unthinkable to imagine Soldiers', Sailors', Airmen's, and Marines' families being forced to resort to food stamps, but during both Carter's and Clinton's administrations, this was the norm for those of lower rank/rate.
In conclusion, Mr. Clark, please go vote again for Mr. Dean (or, if you prefer, Mr. Kerry).
Thank you for your time.
Jim Shawley
Posted by: Jim Shawley at December 15, 2004 11:30 AM (GdKO/)
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Shawley -
Actually, if you go examine the site she links to, you'll find that several soldiers point out that it was Mr. Bush the elder that initially cut the troop-strength from 16 divisions to 10 without consulting the miliatary. Mr. Clinton reduced from 10 to 8 at the behest of the pentagon brass who wanted to have 8 staffed at 90% rather then 10 divisions staffed at 70% or less.
Another soldier pointed out that the limits to force strength are congressionally-mandated.
Finally, I pointed out that even if Mr. Clinton's priorities weren't those that would have brought about "the army that we want" (right now); the ones who held the purse-strings were all republicans who were more interested in pork-barrel projects like our Pascagoula, MS navy homeport, than those priorities set by the pentagon. Clinton didn't control the house, and for a good amount of time didn't control the Senate, either. The best he could do was get some of his pet-projects through, but he didn't set the budgets.
It was Bush I that cashed in the peace-dividend. Clinton did what the military asked him to do and re-organized (did not cut manpower, consolidated divisions). The Republican congress shit all over the military priorities in terms of base closures (or not closing them); R&D funded, and MILITARY PAY.
Yes, my friend, the congress mandates soldiers' pay, not the president! And they were Republicans! SHOCKING! The Republicans controlled congress, and had a balanced budget bill. They went for the pork (keeping unwanted and unneccessary bases open; opening new ones) at the expense of the soldier.
Yes, Clinton didn't try very hard to increase military spending, but in the United States, if the President can't control congress and doesn't have a line-item veto, it's not really his call.
You have to understand how the system works, then assign blame where it rightfully belongs. If you can't do that, then you're ripe for the picking as somebody else's pawn.
Congress (and Washington in general) is filled with self-serving backstabbers who don't care about you, the American people, or the American soldier. If you try to pin all the blame on one of them (Clinton), you're just letting the rest of them get away with it.
It's not one person or party's fault - it's the fault of a government that is no longer held accountable to the people, and (flipside) a people who refuse to hold their leaders accountable.
Posted by: Wha? at December 15, 2004 02:19 PM (2//4+)
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Its always convenient to blame an entity such as the "Government". The only problem with this, is that nothing gets done. The problem appears to be an all or nothing solution, which is typically military in nature. The problem is not with the armor, but with the ballistic glass necessary to provide optimum protection. It won't fit into the channels made for the existing glass, so the military waits for a solution that allows them to fit 4" thick glass, instead of getting 2" thick glass in the interim. The other issue is a requisition issue. If you only requisition x deliveries per month, you get x deliveries per month. However if you ask the question "How many more per month can you build"? you may be able to increase your builds per month.
Blame does not solve a problem. Root Cause and Corrective Action are the only ways to solve a problem.
A materials engr.
Posted by: FrankR at December 15, 2004 05:46 PM (WRbrw)
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Anyone want to guess what those armor suppliers will do when all the humvees are armored? Will we pay the cost of preserving the machinery needed to produce that armor just in case we need some more? Do we stockpile the workers who can operate the equipment?
I am surprised that some up-armor will resist an RPG, that is not consistent with other reports.
When you need armor, send an armored vehicle.
After 40 years of prattle about $600 toilet seats, you can still criticize procurement?
One improvement to the supply situation was the decision to go to local water supply instead of trucking water in from Kuwait. In my year in Korea, they always managed to find local water and enough chlorine to make it both safe and unpalatable. Another is the decision to fly in more cargo where the ground route is dangerous. This points out the need for a real heavy lifter, a new one instead of a 40 year old design and 30 year old airfames. A delay in replacement of tanker aircraft of 2 or 3 years just because of some slap-and-tickle between Boeing and an AF procurement officer is unconscionable. Tell Boeing to get to building and take back any illegal gain during the audit that all government contracts get.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at December 16, 2004 12:15 AM (7XPVo)
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Wow clark, try reading a history book. Hell read Madeleine Albright's book, even SHE criticizes Clinton for gutting the armed forces.
I love how all the people crying out that our military doesn't have what it needs are armchair liberals who've never risked their life for anything.
Meanwhile, read any milblog site making fun of these reservists, or (it has been deleted from the ap news site for some reason) the article on the same day with the Marines who are IN IRAQ who said they have what they need.
The guys that know what it takes aren't the ones complaining.
PlutosDad
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I have a friend who works at AFN radio, so I requested "American Solider" for
SPC Mahlenbrock. They can't play it at 1900, but they're going to play it earlier in the day and explain why they're playing it. We're doing our part here in Bavaria to honor SPC Mahlenbrock's last request.
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Sarah, I sent an email about this request to Leigh Richards, the 10 am to 3 pm DJ at Philadelphia's country station, WXTU. She replied to let me know that she will be playing the song at 1 p.m. EST today.
Posted by: Carla at December 15, 2004 11:15 AM (6tYwr)
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PHILOSOPHY
Last night I had a dream that my husband and I were reading blogs together. What an exciting life, huh? Anyway, in the dream my husband got up to go to the bathroom, and I thought of something I wanted to say to him. I woke up and thought to myself that I would tell him when he returned from the bathroom. Then I had the slow realization that he wasn't in the bathroom.
We hit the 300th day last week. And I found today that my deployment philosophy is the same as Major Phelps':
I continually tell myself and I wholeheartedly believe that if we as a country can confront terrorism and rouge nation-states that support terrorist acts and if we can bring peace, hope, freedoms, and democracy to a country in the heart of the Middle East while at the same time solidifying the security, freedom, and liberties of this great nation then my sacrifice is inconsequential. If I am asked to partake in some small way to accomplish this goal then I say take me before my four sons are confronted with this problem in 20 years and they are forced to clean up a problem that has only festered, become increasingly worse and a problem that we should have confronted twenty years earlier. We are doing the right thing, and America needs to stand united and reaffirm to themselves every now and then that we are in fact doing the right thing. I think I'm a free minded thinker, and I'm not "brainwashed" by the President, Mr. Rumsfield, or some "right wing propaganda conspiracy theory." I really think we're attempting to accomplish something monumental. I guess we'll see.
I don't mind being left alone for a cause this important.
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300 days. Hopefully you mean 300 on the ground which means only 65 left before redeployment. Thye will go by quickly. Good luck to your deployed soldier
Posted by: cptham at December 14, 2004 12:56 PM (NMK3S)
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If this were a monumental act against terror I think the world would've agreed rather than need bribes to join the 'coalition of the willing'. Blair faces impeachment and no chance of reelection. Bush commits fraud and gets the bigotry vote.
How can you explain the discrepancy of understanding between intelligent, caring people of the world and half of one country?
You have some sort of 'faith' in the Iraqi invasion, but what is it based upon?
The only military action close to being humanitarian made by America was the intervention in the Balkans by Clinton. If you really believe that Bush is trying to 'liberate' Iraqis and bringing freedom is the only reason we invaded, then forget everything I've said and I'll never post to you again.
Posted by: mckilla at December 14, 2004 01:14 PM (70OuX)
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Sarah!
This comment doesn't belong here, but I didn't want it to get lost in the ridiculousness that is the comment section of the relevant entry. Anyway, I wanted to be the first to say:
CONGRATULATIONS!
You're on LGF!
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=13955_Of_Money_and_Mouths
Posted by: Carla at December 14, 2004 01:19 PM (6tYwr)
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Ooh, look, another troll with a fake e-mail address. No need to fear here, little warty one. Only Moveon types spam e-mails, we are a bit above that.
And no, we don't think that Bush only planned to liberate the Iraqis. It's a nice side effect of getting rid of Saddam. But please, could you stay away anyway?
Mckilla, in case you haven't gotten it, you could disappear and we wouldn't notice. Except the optimism meter would go up about 1000 degrees. Let me explain, to most humans, optimism is a GOOD thing. Cynism is bad. And don't give me any realism crap. Your reality is limited, clearly, by your personality. Need one say more?
And doesn't the fact that you lump all Bush voters into the bigot category make you, in fact, err, a BIGOT? Nah, that can't be right, you're one of the unwashed, unappreciated, enlightened masses. (Is he gone yet?)
Posted by: Oda Mae at December 14, 2004 02:54 PM (MeEPy)
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December 13, 2004
COOL
I don't see it happening any time soon, but
this uniform is pretty freaking cool. Of course, I had a crush on Robocop when I was a kid...
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Visualize....Chubby soldiers in this uniform....
Posted by: Vonn at December 13, 2004 06:04 AM (FmIVz)
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It does look cool, but can you imagine the pain in the cajones this thing would cause to the ANSI standard private during inspections?
Posted by: Jason at December 13, 2004 12:54 PM (565iX)
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Sounds like the armor suit Heinlein used in Starship Troopers...
Posted by: lcb at December 13, 2004 12:58 PM (punKs)
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Maybe it's just the helmet, but that sure looks like
Boba Fett to me...guess they're still working on the rocketpack :-)
Posted by: Eric at December 13, 2004 06:49 PM (AwaGa)
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You're all missing the point.
"Soldiers wearing the suit would have the ability to blend into any environment, like a chameleon."
It's "Predator", come to life (not "Predator 2", mind you).
Or at least coming to life. Still a few years away, though.
Posted by: Sean at December 14, 2004 01:38 PM (UHi7p)
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December 12, 2004
UP-ARMOR
Some soldier perspective on the question posed to Sec. Rumsfeld the other day:
Deskmerc
Greyhawk + follow-up
A Line in the Sand
2Slick + follow-up
And from my favorite reservist:
Sarah,
I've started writing about armor on vehicles quite a few times only to cancel it. We just can't get into the details without violating OPSEC (Operational Security). I can't tell you why that works without revealing details that can be of use to our enemies. I especially can't talk about the downsides either.
The first IED I ever saw took out an 18-wheeler in front of me. It blew the cab on to the left side of the road while the trailer careened off to the right. At the time, I was riding in an unarmored Humvee without doors.
I went to Fallujah in a Humvee with canvas doors.
I hunkered behind a "frankenstein" scrap metal door in Najaf as bullets bounced off.
With all that and more, I'm not sure it really makes all that much of a difference. When I look at the trade offs with what is truly gained, I really don't know. I do know that many soldiers now and before us went into Harm's Way with less ~ am I or any other soldier any more special?
One thing I have truly come to believe, if its your time - it's your time. I don't care if you're wrapped in armor while sitting in a bunker, if it's your time then you're a goner. So with that in mind, does it really make that much of a difference?
I round 'em up, you decide.
MORE TO GROK:
More on armor above.
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Hey Sarah-
Just found you're site vis-a-vis technorati. Very impressive! I definitely agree with your husband's letter, and I can relate to everything he says there.
You got an email from Ben Stein! Holy crap, dude- that's awesome!
Glad I found your site- keep up the great work, and I have to agree with Ben- your husband
is a star...
2Slick
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Every soldier is special and deserves the best that our country can provide to them for safety. If we believe "if its your time - it's your time," then why even issue body armor or give the many shots and vaccines to our soldiers. I don't care how or why the question was asked but that it was asked. If these soldiers are willing to give a year of their life to defend our "liberties" then don't they deserve the best. They should not be spending their time going thru landfills for armor but instead are they not there to help rebuild the country. President Bush said they same...these soldiers deserve the best. I want my two sons to have as much protection as possible while they are over there.
Posted by: ME at December 12, 2004 01:56 PM (W5nSP)
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It's true when he says 'when it's your time it's your time.' My Granddad used to say it doesn't matter if you're crossing the street or sitting on the toilet - when it's your time to go - you go. However, I do wish we adapted quicker with armor and I wish there was a better way to defuse IEDs or RPGs without having to have Humvees, Tanks and other vehicles blown up with people getting hurt and dying. But the enemy adapts and so do we, I guess. War is war and nothing goes according to plan. I just hope our soldiers can start NOT getting hurt or killed by these IEDs so they can get their jobs done and come home.
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Posted by: Sarah at December 13, 2004 02:36 AM (QTGwz)
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Don't have time to say much at the moment, but I wanted to let y'all know that there is some interesting material on this matter at the current home page of Soldiers for the Truth:
www.sftt.org
Thanks!
Posted by: Aakash at December 13, 2004 06:35 AM (ET9aN)
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Sorry Aakash, Hack's site is a sad little tool for regurgitating the same ignorance found in the mainstream media.
Vary your reading.
Posted by: greyhawk at December 14, 2004 08:56 AM (8O1u3)
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Greyhawk is right. Hackworth used to be interesting but now he's just a tired old man looking to expose "perfumed princes" and aafes abuse. Like Sarah's letter writer, I too tooled up and down Higway One in canvas doored hummers on more than one occasion and as has been said above, when its your time to go its your time to go. It sucks if you happen to be on a plane with someone else who's time is up but there you go. Hopefully the embed from Chatanooga has enjoyed his 15 minutes. Now its time to go back to winning this war.
Posted by: cptham at December 14, 2004 12:44 PM (NMK3S)
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Agreed. Hackworth and that embed need to go on one of those "meet the has-beens" cruises- they have outlived their usefulness in the overall realm of importance. They are running as fast as they can, but the little hamster wheel isn't turning. Their efforts would be better served by helping to win this war- not by casting doubt and negativity at every turn...I won't hold my breath.
Posted by: 2Slick at December 14, 2004 04:04 PM (TZ+Vp)
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I don't know if Hackworth is responsible, but Aakash has been comment spamming the same paragraph on multiple blogs on this same subject. I'm willing to wager that the next Great Military Failure, perhaps the revelation that MRE cocoa contains transfatty acids or the Pentagon faces a shortage of left handed bootlaces, we'll see it again.
Posted by: Jason at December 14, 2004 07:29 PM (OunQP)
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There was a long article in the Colorado Springs
Gazette a few days ago about the work being done by soldiers at Fort Carson (on the south side of town) to armor their Hummvees before returning to Iraq. The soldiers are getting the protection they need, but often only when they do it themselves. It just takes too long to ship an existing hummer to the factory, have the armor installed, and wait to get it back. The Carson troops will leave early January for Iraq.
The thing to remember here is that the soldiers saw a problem, found a solution to it, and began implementing that solution. The folks at the Pentagon saw it was a good idea, and began implementing it throughout the military. Compare that to the two-plus years it took for the Navy to get around to replacing defective torpedo exploders during WW II.
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December 04, 2004
DEPLOYMENT MATH
When I went to hear Gen. Hertling speak the other night, one of the things he and his wife said was that the last few days of the deployment are the hardest, that the time between when the Soldiers get to Kuwait and the time they actually get home can feel like an eternity. Granted, I haven't made it that far, but I think the time we're going through right now is the hardest. We're at our nine/ten month range. We know things are completely up in the air right now, especially with the Iraqi elections. We know that 1AD got extended, so we're certain it could happen to us too. Rumors about return dates are flying all over the place, and no one really knows where the finish line is. Back in July, that stuff didn't matter, but as we get closer to the end, we all wonder when exactly the end will come. And how exactly the
math is calculated...
One detail that irked family members about the extension [of 66th Trans out of K-town] is that it does not start until Jan. 31, 2005 — a week after the company’s one-year anniversary at Forward Operating Base Speicher.
“What they’re doing now, they’re saying, ‘You came in January, the end of January is your time,’” Sowers said. “They would say the one year mark is 31 January, that’s the math that they’re using downrange.”
So 365 days isn't a year. OK. I know that will make lots of wives really angry, but it doesn't bother me. I'd just like to know that it's happening. As long as I feel we're being updated, I'm cool. But I sure think that this leg of the deployment is the hardest. I personally will be thrilled when he gets to Kuwait, because it's the not knowing that is the worst for me.
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Short-timer calendars are probably the worst way to look forward to that day. The numbers don't disappear quickly enough.
Just keep doing what you've been doing.
Posted by: Mike at December 04, 2004 04:54 PM (b7AUG)
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It was the time between knowing a pretty sure departure date and then the actual departure from Iraq. Knowing that we'd made it that far and that long and still on any given day something bad could happen - it was really hard! There was a sigh of relief when she was in Kuwait because then it was just a matter of time, and the worrying could start to let up.
At least his leave was closer to the supposed end date, so it doesn't seem quite as long since you've seen him.
Hang in there!
Beth
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BTDT. Most dangerous part was the 1st 2 and last 2 months. Don't get a short-timer stick - use Plan B and survive.
Larry, USArmy, RVN 69-71
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December 02, 2004
GULP
Heartwrenching photos from
CPT Sims' funeral.
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I've tried to write something, and it is so sad I don't even know what to say. I pray that God will be with them and give them strength and peace of mind to endure their loss. God bless Heidi, Colin and the Sims family.
Sarah's mom
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Aggies do a great job of remembering their own. God bless the Sims family.
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December 01, 2004
NOT LOST
The Iraq Page: Remembering Those who Lost Their Lives in the Iraq War of 2003
Thousand lost lives grab our attention
Soldier remembered for life transformed, then lost
Tonight I heard Brig. Gen. Hertling of 7th ATC say something I won't soon forget: Our soldiers have not lost their lives in Iraq; they have sacrificed their lives for freedom and for their brothers and sisters in arms. That struck me. Their lives were not lost or taken, but instead they have given their lives for something much bigger than themselves. That's a wise statement and a comforting way of looking at the situation. The enemy cannot take that which we have sworn to give so that the tree of liberty may be refreshed.
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Sarah - I guess it's hard to see it that way for some of us. I read today about a NYC firefighter who went to Ground Zero on 9/11 - hung a flag over the burning ruins - and died this week in Iraq from an IED. Reading about his wife and 2 kids brought me to tears. My heart breaks each time I read these stories - and for some reason, we only get to see stories of 'famous' deaths in Iraq or Afghanistan. Through Stryker News I read about wounded soldiers and I know there are so many more of them. I wonder how many stories we don't know - how many faces we will never see. It bothers me that these families don't know how we feel about them and their loss. I feel sad for them and proud at the same time. I wince when I think of their children, wives and parents and husbands. I can't imagine their loss. I want so badly for them to know that I am grateful that they died for protecting freedom. History will look kindly upon them - but how do we let them know TODAY how we feel? I hate the thought that they think no one cares - cause we do. Eventhough I'm sure it's not much of a consolation to them.
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