December 25, 2005
IF YOU WANT IT...PUH-LEASE
Beth sent me a good
article:
Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and the rest of the "Island of Misfit Toys" gang believe with all their might that, if America will just leave Iraq, all the terrorists will magically disappear! They believe that the UN and the EU can somehow make Iran's weapons-grade uranium go away. And if we all just put down our guns and give Cindy Sheehan a great, big Christmas hug, peace on earth will surely follow.
The husband and I heard John Lennon's "Happy Xmas" song this morning. I remarked that the line "War is over / if you want it" is about the biggest idealistic pile of crap ever. Gee, if we just wish real hard, war will stop all over the world.
Of course, I've been ticked at Lennon ever since I read this, so I was ready for a fight when his song came on.
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Just had to stop by and wish you a Merry Christmas and tell you that I'm keeping you and your soldier in my prayers every day.
Happy New Year too.
Posted by: Chevy Rose at December 25, 2005 11:35 AM (t9sKc)
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You know what?
I've heard that song HUNDREDS of times, but until a couple of days ago, never realized what those kids were singing in the background.
I used to like that song, and now I can't listen to it without hearing "war is over, if you want it" and having a new understanding of the line about having a Christmas "without any fear."
pissed.me.off.
I can't believe a Christmas song was made political and anti-war like that! It's so.... I dunno.... so YUCK. I'm at a loss for words.
Posted by: AFSister at December 27, 2005 04:10 PM (MocpV)
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December 22, 2005
LABELS
Some commenter said yesterday that America's far left is Europe's moderate. I thought of that today in passing while reading
Broca's Brain. I think people look at the world quite differently depending on how they classify themselves. If you think of yourself as an American, you see the world differently than if you think of yourself as a Global Citizen, as it seems most Europeans do. And if you think of yourself as a citizen of the universe, as Sagan does, you look at issues completely differently. Thus when Sagan talks of global warming, he thinks all humans should work together to prevent Earth's habitat from being like Mars. When an American talks about it, he typically thinks about what is best for the US first. I think the label you give yourself says a lot about how you deal with The Issues.
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December 15, 2005
WHAT?
Get. The. F. Out.
This season, America celebrates a holiday whose premise is that God himself came to Earth -- and was given the death penalty. Tookie Williams died at Midnight on the Feast Day for Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mother of God and patron saint of the Americas. How fitting that the GOP and the Religious Right lobbied for the execution -- and that Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Catholic whose church opposes the death penalty, made the final decision.
Celebrity executions, from Jesus to Tookie Williams, have whatever meaning human actions give them. And the meaning of Tookie's? That the Religious Right, that bastion of politicized pseudo-religion and hypocritical power-grabbing, pronounced its own spiritual death by shouting hosannahs for his execution -- as it has done for the anonymous dead before him.
No disrespect is intended by calling the Crucifixion a "celebrity execution." Quite the contrary -- the power and meaning of the Christ story as it was taught to me is just that: that God Himself would come to Earth anonymously and died despised and forgotten by all but a few, only to be redeemed on behalf of all. His celebrity came later, as a result of His sacrifice. The significance of the death lies in its affirmation of life, in the understanding of believers that it was an act of love -- love for life and the living.
This post, found at RWN, is just jawdropping. You have to be absolutely kidding that 1) this was written, and 2) the comments section is full of people who agree. And the last line...
Another Christmas is coming to the Americas, and another American is gone. If you pray, don't pray for him: pray for us.
Must...fight...urge to start swearing uncontrollably.
Tookie Williams was a murderer. He killed four people before my husband was even freaking born, and he's been wasting air ever since. He was a gangster and a thug, and I don't care how many dadburned children's books he wrote. He shot four people that we know of and laughed about it later. He never expressed regret for what he'd done, yet somehow he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. (Maybe Arafat will show Tookie his while they're both rotting in hell together.)
I clapped the day Timothy McVeigh was executed, and I clapped again Tuesday when Tookie was finally dead. Tookie may have "died despised and forgotten by all but a few", but he most certainly will not be redeemed, and should never be compared to Jesus.
The more I try to grok, the more I feel disgusted at mankind.
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While he might have changed in prison over that past few years (decades) The victims of his crime has not, so he is still entitled to his death. And I for one think that the world is a better place because scum like him is gone.
Posted by: dagamore at December 15, 2005 08:37 AM (7IZfE)
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He didn't change in prison, he didn't repent. He wrote a book, the second book sold two copies, the first one about 500..not kidding.
He never admitted guilt and he was defiant to the end. God will deal with him now.
Tookie was guilty and tried to get out of the punishment, Jesus was innocent and welcomed it.
Posted by: Mr Bob at December 15, 2005 07:07 PM (yfyy+)
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Sarah,
I posted a comment over at my blog linking back to here. It never ceases to amaze me how deluded and stupid people on the left have become. At what point do they start grunting, swinging from trees and flinging crap at passers by.
Posted by: James Hudnall at December 16, 2005 01:35 AM (D2qx4)
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did you clap when jesus died?
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GOOD LUCK, IRAQ

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Great picture! Newt Gingrich encouraged all school children in the U.S. to go to school tomorrow with a purple finger!! Pretty exciting day tomorrow!
Your Mama
Posted by: Nancy at December 15, 2005 04:38 AM (Z+RCN)
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Alas, the election results are nothing any thoughtful American should be pleased with. Iran won.
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December 07, 2005
TERRORIZE THIS
Hey, John Kerry...wanna see some of the kids my husband
terrorized in Iraq?

This kid he terrorized by building a school for him...

This kid he terrorized by letting him wear his Wiley Xs...

This kid he terrorized by giving him a water bottle when it was 130 degrees...

The only thing my husband terrorized these kids with was his handwriting...

John Kerry, you're out of your element here.
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Sarah,
Are you seriously trying to say that our military operations in Iraq do not cause horror among the children who are near them? Or are you just trying to point out that while we have dome a vast amount of damage and caused a huge loss of civilian life with acompannying horror, we are also trying to help and have made some people happier? The latter point could be made, but as a response to Kerry it's a non sequitur.
There is a reason that 80% of Iraqis want the U.S troops out of their country entirely.
Posted by: Mr. Silly at December 07, 2005 07:22 PM (4dYeC)
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"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs."
I though of another angle. Perhaps you are saying that our troops do need to keep breaking into people's houses at night and scaring kids, but that is cool so long as during the day we are nice to them? I'd say that's not a great position either.
Posted by: Mr. Silly at December 07, 2005 07:26 PM (4dYeC)
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I wonder if the aptly-named Mr Silly is aware that American police forces sometimes break into people's homes at night and scare children. Does he think that would be a rationale for eliminating police departments?
Posted by: David Foster at December 07, 2005 07:44 PM (7TmYw)
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Good point. I wonder what Mr. Silly thinks about Elian.
Then again ... maybe it IS a good idea to stop "breaking into people's houses at night and scaring kids." That way their rights are only violated during the day. Then that has to stop too. Oh, and if people have human shields, er, children, they must never be confronted. Ever. Parenthood is sacred. And these Rightists talk about "family values." What a joke. Did you know that insurgents, er, freedom fighters, um, Minutemen (thank you, Michael Moore) have children too? Huh? Huh?
Posted by: Amritas at December 07, 2005 08:26 PM (+nV09)
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Just for the record, I was being sarcastic in that second paragraph.
Posted by: Amritas at December 08, 2005 12:12 AM (WnSrS)
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Dean,
It would be a little tough for tryingtogrok to "be a man" since she happens to be a woman, and as you can see, a very fair-minded one at that (she did post your comments and also Mr. Silly's). Sarah, thank you for showing us the pictures. I loved them and I love my son-in-law and am so proud of him.
Your Mama
Posted by: Nancy at December 08, 2005 02:38 AM (Z+RCN)
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David, you are (very dishonestly) conflating local police searching a home with a warrant to foreign soldiers breaking into a house and searching it.
Assuming that Iraq were under the rule of law and that the military had to get warrants to search homes, then it would be a less egregious abuse. But they are not under the rule of law, and according to reports of locals the military is breaking into houses of suspected militants without warrants or any probable cause other than tipoffs which are being used for vendettas.
While I support my police and would allow them to perform a search if they presented a warrant, if foreign soldiers occupying my country were to break into my house and being ransacking, I'd be pissed, and assuming I had the chance, my shotgun would be dispensing a load of buckshot into them.
Our soldiers are supposed to be winning hearts and minds. Part of that would be having the Iraqi authorities performing searches of Iraqis, since nobody wants a foreign soldier in their house.
Also, Amritas, you are confused.
Posted by: Mr. Silly at December 08, 2005 11:09 AM (4dYeC)
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"Part of that would be having the Iraqi authorities performing searches of Iraqis, since nobody wants a foreign soldier in their house."
Nobody wants a soldier searching their house, period.
Iraqis aren't all the same. If you were a Sunni, would you like a Shi'ite breaking into your house and searching it? Or even another Sunni?
Why don't you just argue against *anyone* breaking into people's houses without a warrant?
Posted by: Amritas at December 09, 2005 02:05 AM (WnSrS)
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Anyone who uses "non sequitur." as an arguement listens to too much NPR and is basically an asshat "progressive".
Posted by: Tom at December 09, 2005 05:58 PM (hXDrL)
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Tom,
Bzzt - wrong. I don't have a radio (not even in the car), and I am a libertarian, not a 'progressive.' Sorry you don't like it when those those dang edumacated people go talkin' all fancy. I'll make sure to use small words if I have a message just for you.
Posted by: Mr. Silly at December 10, 2005 01:46 PM (4dYeC)
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S,
Give your husband a big hug and a kiss on the
cheek from me. I love him. In a strictly platonic
fellow American kind o' way,of course.
Thank you both for serving our country.
Mary
Posted by: Mary at December 12, 2005 02:09 PM (WE6BG)
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and this is what your husband did to the other children: http://www.information clearing house.info/article6010.htm
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December 06, 2005
MR AND MRS
When I lived in Sweden, I noticed that my friend had a bald eagle trinket on her desk. "Where did you get this?" I asked. "Maryellen gave it to me," she replied. "Ahhh," I said. "Who's that?" "Your
fiance's mother!" my friend gasped.
Is it regional what we call adults when we're kids? When I was growing up, I never would've dreamed of calling adults by their first names. All my parents' friends, all the leaders of my clubs, every adult I knew was called Mr. or Mrs. In fact, I still think of most of my parents' friends as Mr. and Mrs. (Hi, Mr. Schultz!) I didn't even call my in-laws by their first names until my husband and I had been engaged for quite a while.
Tonight I started volunteering with the Girl Scouts, and I was mildly shocked that the girls call the leaders by their first names. I guess there's nothing wrong with that if it's the leaders' choice, but it struck me as a little odd, given that I can remember all my old Girl Scout leaders' names, but they all start with Mrs! I couldn't tell you those mothers' first names to save my life.
I've noticed that most people around her prefer to go by Miss + First Name, as in Miss Sarah. That's OK with me, being 28 and all, but don't any kids call adults Mr. or Mrs. these days? Or am I just a stuffy fuddy-duddy from Texas?
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I raised my children to address ALL adults as Mr., Mrs. or Ms. no matter what their age.
Adult=living independently and paying bills
Here in Oklahoma everyone is addressed as Ma'am or Sir. I love it! I used to think it made me feel old, but now I see it's a simple show of respect.
Posted by: Vonn at December 06, 2005 05:42 PM (dEgRi)
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My daughter lives in Georgia, it is the norm there.
Brad
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Sarah,
I don't know if it's regional, but I think it just has to do with how "fuddy-duddy" our parents were. My mom taught me to say "Mr." or "Mrs." until the adult told me to do otherwise.
But I hate being called Mrs. Erin. It reminds me of when I was in daycare!
Posted by: Erin at December 07, 2005 02:26 AM (O0IlC)
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That's interesting that you brought this up. When we were in Germany, I noticed that many children were addressing adults as (esp women) Mr or Miss, followed by first name. I was told that this practice was a "southern thing"...I had never heard of doing this...I'm from the north (Yankee) and I grew up addressing adults as Mr or Mrs, followed by last name, as you said. I actually prefer being called by my first name (Mrs makes me feel OLD). When I was in college, most of my professors asked to be called by their first names...liberal university
Posted by: Nicole at December 07, 2005 10:24 AM (KJBDI)
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i agree. i still feel somewhat uncomfortable calling "adults" by their first name. Even though i fit Vonn's definition of "adult" i don't think of myself as one, and i'd e horrified if some young whippersnapper referred to me as Ms.
Posted by: annika at December 07, 2005 11:58 AM (6x0dA)
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yes, we are fuddy-duddies, and we happen to be correct...
i'm an asst scoutmaster for my son's Boy Scout Troop, and i can guarantee that all of our adults are "Mister" or "Mrs."
we even had one of our Eagle scouts turn 18, so we brought him back as another asst Scoutmaster, and all the Scouts have to refer to him as "ASM {last name}", even though they use his first name in the hallways at school.
Posted by: MajMike at December 07, 2005 12:52 PM (zXWkt)
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My friends children either call me Miss Tammi or if we are really close Aunt Tammi.
It's always been there - with all of them.
But I noticed so many children don't any more. I still struggle with that. I'm in Sales and when I'm making calls I still refer to them as Mrs/Mr/Miss until I've gotten to know them or they tell me other wise.
Posted by: Tammi at December 07, 2005 09:25 PM (fG4Jz)
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There has to be SOME benefit to being an adult.
I would have never dreamed of calling an adult
by anything other than their honorific and surname. I expect the same treatment now that
I'm the "grown up".
Let's expect more from the kids of the world.
GOOD MANNERS.
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December 01, 2005
CELEBS
My neighbor moved over the summer, and she and I were instant messaging last night. She said that she had watched Barbara Walters'
The 10 Most Fascinating People of 2005 program on TV, that is until it started to sicken her and she turned it off.
I love how celebrities can't get enough of themselves. (My husband is brutal to celebs, calling them "people who are attractive for a living".) Tom Cruise and Dakota Fanning fascinating? In what way exactly? The winner, the most fascinating person of the year, was Camilla Parker Bowles. Really. That's funny to me, because she's about the last celeb I'm interested in hearing about.
My neighbor was upset. "What makes Tom Cruise more fascinating than Sean Sims?" she asked. I know that's not the point of these stupid celeb-backpatting shows, but for regular Americans, the contrast can sometimes be rather striking. The last sentence of that article killed me:
Rounding out Walters' "Most Fascinating" list are "Desperate Housewives" star Teri Hatcher, Academy Award-winning actor Jamie Foxx and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice."
Really, how dare they lump Condi Rice with Teri Hatcher? Rice works her butt off as one of the most powerful people in the world; Hatcher pretends to be a slutty housewife for a living.
I told my neighbor about something I had seen on TV recently that had made me guffaw. Sharon Stone organized some benefit for Katrina victims, and lots of singers participated to raise money. I swear Sharon Stone started crying during her interview clip, saying what "heroes" these singers were. I laughed out loud. Heroes? For showing up and recording a song that regular non-millionaire Americans could buy to raise money for Katrina? That makes you a hero? I swear, celebs wouldn't know a hero if he bit 'em.
My neighbor replied to the Sharon Stone story: "That just means she has never really met a real hero before. She should talk to me, I live with one."
Amen, sister.
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Your Captain is one of my heroes; my nephew, who is soon to be in the 'Stan is one of my heroes.
And you, Sarah, are one of my heroes, as was my wife, when she too had to maintain the rear guard while I was sailing the ocean blue in a navy gray ship.
Thanks for your service to Russell and to this country.
Jim
Posted by: Jim Shawley at December 01, 2005 10:05 AM (CnYsu)
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I’ll never forget reading a letter to the editor of a newspaper in Virginia during the opening days of OIF. An Army wife wrote in response to all the celebrities griping about how wrong war is, how soldiers don’t want to go and fight, blah blah blah. Anyway, her response was along the lines of “How dare these people talk for me and my family? Why would anyone listen to the opinion of someone whose job is to pretend to be someone else?” She put it much better than I did, and I really wish I had saved that paper, but her thoughts are right on. Ben Stein also puts it in perspective so eloquently and so often. Thanks for all you and your husband do!
Rude1, USAF (ret)
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Real Heroes have HEART! Celebrities are hollow!
Posted by: Vonn at December 01, 2005 11:12 PM (sDFje)
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Barbara Walters' list of fascinating people is such a joke. Your post prompted me to e-mail Ben Stein (via his website link) ~ I thanked him for all his support to the troops but especially for putting things in perspective re: the "celebrity" world.
Did you catch the article about Bruce Willis making a movie about Iraq? He said he couldn't believe what is NOT being reported about all the positive things going on in Iraq.
You have such a wonderful blog. It is always thought provoking. I've been reading it since Jenny and Heidi told me about it last year but this is the first time I've posted anything. I think I was a little intimidated by all you grammar police out there

Patti
Posted by: Patti at December 03, 2005 01:06 AM (b/PAv)
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Sarah,
I loved this line:
My neighbor replied to the Sharon Stone story: "That just means she has never really met a real hero before. She should talk to me, I live with one."
I think you ladies have a helluva lot more credibility when it comes to teaching us about real heroes than Sharon Stone or Tom Cruise. If military wives don't know what heroism is all about, then no one does. From living with them --- and from being our heroes for putting up with us.
Bless you all ladies for your love, patience and understanding in living with Uncles Sam's Wayward Boys Club -- the United States Armed Forces.
Subsunk
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November 29, 2005
FAMOUS NUTJOBS
Dang, I just wasted a lot of time playing around with these
lists of celebrity Republicans. The most surprising people? 50 Cent and John Malkovich.
I emailed my friends about 50 Cent and said "Did you know that 50 Cent would've voted for Bush if he weren't a convicted felon?" And then I realized that sentence has a grammatically ambiguous modifier...except for the fact that there's nothing ambiguous about which of them is the felon. So does that make the sentence ambiguous or not?
Man, I wish I was still in touch with my best friend from college; we'd have a blast analyzing that one.
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come on Sarah, diagram that sentence...
you know that it is ambiguous as written.
C+ for effort.
Posted by: MajMike at November 29, 2005 02:29 PM (zXWkt)
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I'm not arguing that it's not *grammatically* ambiguous, but what I'm asking -- from a Descriptive point of view -- is whether *meaning* should count at all for ambiguity.
Posted by: Sarah at November 29, 2005 02:34 PM (3l/e2)
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Can we just agree to say that there is no ambiguity about which one has been convicted?
Posted by: Pericles at November 29, 2005 10:00 PM (eKf5G)
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Sarah,
I knew what you meant. :-)
Erin
Posted by: Erin at November 30, 2005 06:39 AM (AUtEP)
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How about, "...had he not been convicted of a felonious crime", or "...had he not been a convicted felon"?
Love your site, Sarah, and wish you and your Captain a great Christmas and New Year.
Jim
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November 21, 2005
INSPIRATIONAL
Apparently the American Film Institute is trying to pick the most inspirational film of all time. Good luck. The list of nominees is long, including movies that definitely belong (
Apollo 13,
Stand and Deliver) and some dubious choices as well (
Ferris Bueller's Day Off?
Moulin Rouge?)
John Hawkins has a good list of his own choices; I agree with most of his picks, especially
Spider-Man 2 and
Rocky. I'd add a few movies of my own that either bring me to tears or have me jumping out of my seat cheering:
12 Angry Men, From the Earth to the Moon, The Great Escape, To Kill a Mockingbird, Rudy, The Lord of the Rings, Miracle, Amistad and
Band of Brothers. In no particular order, all of which made the cut except for the HBO ones. Props to the AFI for including
The Karate Kid, which is one of my all-time favorites, even if it is a bit cheesy. (For the record, my husband said that he never laughed so hard as he did in
There's Something About Mary at the line "I guess I just wish they made movies like they used to make. You know, classics like
The Karate Kid" because he thought that was the dumbest thing he'd ever heard. But the joke's on him, because his paycheck bought the whole trilogy.)
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Posted by: Stephen Macklin at November 21, 2005 10:22 AM (UquFN)
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My all time favorite movie
LONESOME DOVE
I started crying before Gus died and continued crying throught the rest of the movie..
Posted by: Beth at November 21, 2005 11:54 AM (AeCM/)
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hands down bestest mostest inspirational ever:
Glory
can't be beat.
Posted by: MajMike at November 21, 2005 03:26 PM (zXWkt)
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Hands down Passion of the Christ and Saving Private Ryan.
Or really, any Spielberg movie'll work.
Posted by: John at November 21, 2005 04:22 PM (enIP4)
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MIRACLE--my most inspirational movie...and of course, the army wife in me loves "We were soldiers" although sometimes it hits a little too close to home. Good picks.
Posted by: Nicole at November 22, 2005 12:48 AM (KJBDI)
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I gotta go with Star Wars.
Posted by: Pericles at November 22, 2005 03:57 AM (eKf5G)
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Band of Brothers gets my vote. Though it's not a movie, it still brings out so much emotion EVERYTIME I watch it.
Posted by: Vonn at November 22, 2005 10:48 AM (dEgRi)
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November 03, 2005
IRAN
(via LGF) There was a
rally against the Iranian regime held at Berkeley. Although it was small, I'm glad to see people speaking out against this horrible theocracy. When my husband and I first got married, we lived near a wonderful Iranian family. During the build-up to Iraq, they half-jokingly begged my husband to invade Iran instead. They were so upset at what their country had become.
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Maybe we should have. At leaqast we would have found some WMDs, and shut down an active nuclear program.
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October 28, 2005
LETTER
My husband hates to write, and the only thing worse for him than composing at a computer is writing with a pen. He didn't write me much from Iraq, but when he did, I knew he had forced himself to sit down and do it. That's touching.
Absence really does make the heart grow fonder, and I think deployments can sometimes bring out the best in a relationship. Mrs. Greyhawk found a letter from a husband in Iraq to his wife. It's positively breathtaking. You just have to see it to believe it.
UPDATE:
I swear I have never laughed so hard as I just did. I asked my husband if he had read the letter and -- right hand on a Bible -- he said, "Yeah. Was he talking about a chicken or a rooster or something? Man, there's a lot of them walking around Iraq. And how did he mail a bird to his wife? I don't get it."
My husband, the romantic.
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Your husband's reaction is too funny! Thanks for the link to the post!
Posted by: Pam at October 30, 2005 01:25 AM (NLkiM)
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LOL, your husband's reaction is hilarious. At the risk of sounding non-PC....typical male. (grin)
Posted by: Maggie at October 30, 2005 03:37 AM (8eu7Q)
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"This is true love.. do you think it happens every day?"
Westly -- A Princess bride.
To be honest.. I get the feeling that Millitary Marriges are either the best of times.. or the worst of times... they seem to either shatter under stress.. or like yours... be forged into something stronger...
Just remember.. Beer is Temporary.. so keep plenty on hand.. Love is forever.. so you are all that is needed
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"This is true love.. do you think it happens every day?"
Westly -- A Princess bride.
To be honest.. I get the feeling that Millitary Marriges are either the best of times.. or the worst of times... they seem to either shatter under stress.. or like yours... be forged into something stronger...
Just remember.. Beer is Temporary.. so keep plenty on hand.. Love is forever.. so you are all that is needed
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October 22, 2005
TOTAL
Tanker sent me a link to an article about the perceived risk of
investing in France. It reminded me of something that I forgot to share a few weeks ago. Someone recommended an international mutual fund to us, so my husband looked into it as a possibility. That is, until he saw that Total was one of its top holdings. "Guns, tobacco, and other vices are no problem," my husband said. "I'd invest in those in spades. But I refuse to invest in French oil companies." Despite protestations that Total is a very lucrative market -- well, no kidding: Saddam treated them well -- my husband put his foot down and said that we're not buying into that mutual fund. I was awful proud of him.
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September 23, 2005
MOON
Last night my husband and I watched the final episode of
From the Earth to the Moon. I must say that after this week's revelation that we might
return to the moon, I watched this episode completely differently than I did nine months ago. The finality of it all really hit me the first time I watched it: Cernan would be the last man on the moon for forever, we'll never have another chance to leave hammers, rovers, or golf balls up there again, we've lost the gumption that got us to the moon in under a decade. But this time around I had hope, hope that we'd be back again.
When it ended, my husband turned to me and said, "I wanna go to the moon." I do too, I said.
I was saddened to read much negative commentary online about returning to the moon. I know it costs money and time, but I just want to go back. And to imagine a staging point for a future trip to Mars...well, that's just beyond my comprehension.
Hope is a wonderful feeling.
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I know a Chinaman that'll pay for all the Mars trips and hurricanes and wars that we wanna have. Won't coss us nothin. It'll be cool.
Posted by: bigbob at September 23, 2005 05:33 PM (KqfGy)
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Hi Sarah,
I too wanted to be an astronaught when I was young. As an engineer, I've designed some part that left the planet. I did turn down a NASA job and I have to disagree with you. We don't need to go back to the moon just yet.
Knowing that we can go there is one thing. Knowing that the time is right so we should go, is another conclusion entirely.
Sarah, we can do a lot with 140 billion dollars, and going to the moon is not at the top of my list.
My small disagreement about going to the moon does not diminish my appreciation of you and your husband. Thank you for all you give to this country.
Posted by: Rob Morse at September 24, 2005 01:17 AM (gz0H7)
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It's no problem, Rob. I know it may not be the most practical thing to work on right now, but I'm afraid that if we never commit ourselves, we're never going back...
Posted by: Sarah at September 24, 2005 02:16 AM (mX8Ke)
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Rob: I admire your maturity of expression. And I'm not kidding.
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September 11, 2005
STAYING FOCUSED

How's your laser beam this year?
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I'm a contrarian voice on here, but I absolutely agree that we are in a war, and that "Islamofascism first and foremost" is the enemy. The hard question is how best to fight this war. There are those who think that invading a country where no Islamofascism was to be found at the time was a brilliant indirect strategy, and others of us who just don't get it. But whatever differences of opinon divide us, today is the day to remember what unites us.
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September 08, 2005
DILEMMA
I could use some advice on behalf of a reader who contacted me with an perplexing dilemma. This reader was conducting interviews at his job and interviewed an Egyptian man who set off a couple of warning bells. This Egyptian seemed "jittery and anxious" and became agitated when he learned that this particular job would not get him maximum money pronto; the man said that he was only planning on being in the country for a short time and needed to make as much money as possible as fast as he could. This reader couldn't help but shake the feeling of "terrorist" that was creeping in. The reader doesn't want to be "racist" but also doesn't want to be caught wishing he'd done something (like those who met Atta and got a bad feeling). The reader wonders if he should report this, and to whom.
So what do you think? Is it better to be safe than sorry, or is it intrusive to potentially shake up someone's life on nothing better than a hunch? I'd appreciate as much input as any of you can give me as to what you'd honestly do if you were in this reader's shoes. He needs our help.
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I suppose he could continue conducting a series of interviews...if the job is task oriented, whip up some fast "test" that the guy can come in to make and get his photograph during the process, and invite an FBI agent or something to "interview" at the same time.
Wasn't there some hotline you could call once upon a time to report that sort of thing? All the recent press releases say contact local law enforcement or the local FBI office.
Posted by: Jason at September 08, 2005 04:54 PM (565iX)
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I for one would report it immediately. You don't see Mexicans or Irish guys flying planes into buildings and blowing up convoys in the middle east.
Anyone that appears to be of middle-eastern descent should be watched closely. If they seem cool, don't report. If they're askin all sorts of weird questions like that, definately turn em in.
Racial profiling is ugly but necessary during times of war, that's all there is to it. Especially in this war where the enemy is actively trying to get into the U.S. to carry out various attacks.
Like I said, it's ugly and some perfectly innocent people would be looked at very closely, but it's for the good of our country as a whole that we report things like this.
Posted by: tyler at September 08, 2005 05:11 PM (Y9Lwb)
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Have your friend call the local FBI office, or, I believe there is even a tip line on the FBI website on which he can lay out the particulars that give rise to his suspicion. The FBI may not be interested, and if they are, they may just run his name through some databases. If they're more interested, they may seek to interview him.
Posted by: Jim - PRS at September 08, 2005 10:26 PM (BjDAE)
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Better safe that sorry. FBI.
I'd rather cry wolf and risk embarrasment than keep my head down and rise lives.
Posted by: mick at September 09, 2005 12:48 AM (02rmn)
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My biggest concern might be whether everyone's reporting every slightly unusual conversation they had with a Muslim would so overwhelm the system that the feds wouldn't have enough people to track down the most promising leads.
Posted by: Pericles at September 09, 2005 05:01 AM (EpPuP)
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Contact the local FBI. A 'gut' feeling is rarely wrong.
Posted by: MargeinMI at September 09, 2005 08:26 AM (ASxfO)
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If the person was a U.S. citizen, then it would be racial profiling. If this person was from Sweden or China and acted the same way call the FBI. It is not our job to check this person out, it is the FBI's job. Our duty is to the security of our nation. Any non-citizen should be looked at with a higher concern than citizens. Especially when they are in a hurry.
Posted by: Don at September 09, 2005 02:08 PM (Kk4wv)
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Sarah -
If I came across an apparently abandoned bag and heard it ticking the smart thing to do would be contact those who can discern if this is an EOD issue or not. Me...I'm not qualified. I can ignore it or approach it. Either way of doing it on my own it could blow up and somebody dies.
If EOD comes in and it turns out to be a bag with a ticking clock in it...nothing more...they will not be angry with me. They will say "Happens all the time...but you did exactly the right thing."
There are folks who get paid to figure out who the bad guys are...and they need us to help ID likely candidates.
Let's let 'em do it. Call them.
Posted by: Tim at September 09, 2005 03:40 PM (UPI1q)
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Agree with all who recommend a quick call to your local FBI office. Be sure to have the application handy for faxing to their offices. I would hope that they too will err on the side of caution.
See you on the high ground!
MajorDad1984
Posted by: MajorDad1984 at September 09, 2005 04:06 PM (5kkjP)
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Sara,
I have to agree that the FBI should be notified. I think Tim nailed it with his EOD analogy. BTW, do you know what's happened to Red6? Haven't seen a posting to Armorgeddon since 9/20.
Thanks
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I think those who recommend calling the FBI direct are a little rash: report the interview to the company security officer first, and let that individual handle it. I think almost every company these days that hires foreigners has a security officer.
If not, I concur with Major Dad, who has his cap on straight.
Posted by: Paulie at The Commons at September 09, 2005 10:14 PM (SWi7L)
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If he was only going to be in the country a short while, isn't it likely that he's here alone and doesn't know a single person in the area? That there's no one to miss him if he doesn't return from the interview? Calling the FBI... forget that. Just shoot him and dump his body out back. A lot less hassle.
I mean, look at the facts:
1) He's nervous. In a
job interview.
2) He wants a job that will get him as much money as possible, as quickly as possible.
Forget the Egyptian part. Those two facts alone are proof that, at best, he's somne kind of wierdo. If he's not terrorist, he's probably one these socialists or something else equally bad. Either way, the world'll be better off without him.
Posted by: herostratus at September 10, 2005 03:20 AM (rZDsT)
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Herostratus -- if you have something of substance to say, please say it without all the sarcasm. I didn't intend this post to be a bandwagon; I want people's honest input. Give constructive advice instead of just being antagonistic.
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Also, i seem to recall that the reason people were nervous around Atta was that he liked to talk shit about America and drop hints about the big event, which should definitely have been a warning sign.
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September 06, 2005
ROLE MODELS
It seems at least one commenter thinks I write about President Bush too often. The explanation is quite simple really: the reason I write about him is because I think about him all the time. There are three men who dominate my life, three men whose respect I work hard to earn every day: President Bush, Bunker, and CPT Sims. In every action and every thought, I consistently weigh how these three men would judge me. Am I doing something that would make them slap sense into me, or would they be proud of me? You don't have to understand this, but it's a big part of what keeps me trying to be a better person every day.
So I'll quit glorifying our President when the other half of the world stops vilifying him.
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It is understandable that you are trying to compensate for the external pressure. One has to be careful though not to overcompensate - one would no longer be oneself but just an inverted reflection of the environment.
Best wishes (and keep up the good work with your blog!)
Posted by: John Bull at September 06, 2005 07:05 AM (Kdv3T)
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sarah what amazes me as a spouse of an active-duty serviceman you support this clown.if bush 43 and cronies had it their way there will be more deployment in small FOB places like bulgaria,central asia,etc and damned the servicemembers family.and also i'm shocked that you support a man if he had his way he would overturn roe v wade.like the f*****g government has a right to tell you what you can or can not do with your body.
Posted by: tommy at September 06, 2005 08:50 AM (NMK3S)
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And thanks to tommy for highlighting Sarah's point in case anyone had missed it.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 06, 2005 08:56 AM (QriEg)
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Tommy, you need to understand that a LOT of people in the military like Bush and dislike Clinton. Not all for the same reason.
Bush is a far more pro-military president and has shown much more respect for the military. That is a personal level kind of thing. Heck, most of my union brothers support Bush and I've heard less vitriolic Demo-hating from Sean Hannity (though far worse from Dems) and they're all Democrats. So.......
Kalroy
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kalroy that's what i find so amazing.bush 43 has been trying to CUT veteran benefits in a time of war.and the base closings.and the stop-loss orders.and the IRR call ups.and this fancy new robocop type 21st century star-wars garbage.and that's just the military i won't even get started on his domestic policies.why do the troops like him so much it's obvious he tells them what they want to hear.wraps himself in patriotic rhetoric.and tells them they're doing great work(which most of them are)if he had it his way entirely he would outsource more money and jobs to the private contractors.just something to keep in mind.
Posted by: tommy at September 06, 2005 11:19 AM (NMK3S)
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Thank you so much Sarah. I have an active-duty son in the Army who is scheduled to ship out Iraq the last of Sept. He loves his country, his God, and his president. So what if Pres. Bush has made some mistakes? Oh my gosh, I guess it's true then, he is human. If he was slow to react to Katrina, I'm sure of one thing. It wasn't because he has a Monica in the Oval Office and couldn't be disturbed!
Posted by: kimberly at September 06, 2005 11:55 AM (/Whm2)
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I just want to say thanks for remaining unmoved by disapproval of your opinions about the President and military. It's a hard thing to support both/any of those, and I respect you for being both honest and firm. I read your blog frequently.

I plan to enlist in the Marine Corps next fall and am eager to serve in Iraq. I've gotten huge amounts of flak about this from my family, teachers, and other people I respect.
When I enlist, I'll be pointing my Corps sisters to your journal, saying "here, at least, is someone who appears to be on our side."
Posted by: mick at September 06, 2005 02:08 PM (02rmn)
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Kimberly & Mick -- it means a lot to hear you say that. I thought I'd get a lot of flak for this post, so it's nice to hear that others understand. And any time I feel like the pressure is too great, like people are getting me down and making me feel bad about myself, I just think that President Bush gets out of bed every day, even though there are posters of him with Hitler's mustache. He's one of the strongest men I can think of. (And Bunker's one of the smartest and CPT Sims is one of the most honorable.)
Posted by: Sarah at September 06, 2005 03:55 PM (7+dr0)
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Just curious: Would you describe Bush as one of the smartest and most honorable men you know? Especially smartest. It is hard for me to believe that anyone could really be in awe of the man. Even if you agree with the majority of his decisions, on a personal level he seems like such an insipid echo of Reagan, with whom he is usually compared. I was watching old video of Reagan the other day, and whatever you might think about his politics, the man was an incredibly powerful speaker. He had a commanding presence, real gravitas. When Bush speaks, the word "lightweight" just forces itself into your mind. His one Presidential moment was the speech right after 9/11; that was very well done. Normally, though, he can't say more than a few words at a time without pausing, even right in the middle of a sentence where no pause is appropriate, and he says the most serious things as if he is just about to laugh... I'm not going to descend to calling him stupid, because no one really stupid gets elected President. But even if we were going to have a president from the conservative wing of the Republican party, couldn't we have had one who looks and acts like a President? Next to Bush, even someone like Trent Lott looks presidential.
And while W. may not have been getting a Monica during the hurricane, can we really be sure that he hadn't been felled by yet another killer pretzel?
Posted by: Pericles at September 06, 2005 05:31 PM (EpPuP)
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Sarah,
Stick to your values - you have thought things through, and you are as entitled to your views as anyone. (Just another one of the rights our military sacrifices so much to protect!)
To those who want to question W's esteemed position on her list of 3, I am sure Sarah can speak for herself quite well. But one thing that has not been pointed out is that W has a strong sense of what is right. He makes decisions and sticks with them, despite the support and backlash which are both inevitable in our open society. And he has a moral compass that is constant. This is a real draw. I may not agree with him all the time, but I sure can predict what his position will be, and I can rely on him to stay the course. Intestinal fortitude is a much rarer commodity than we think these days, and I value it.
Thanks, Sarah, for being so willing to share your views, even when you expect to get push back. It is a sign that you have the same type of character that I admire - regardless of political views.
Posted by: jck at September 06, 2005 07:35 PM (J9ixV)
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Pericles - Bush isn't a great speaker.
But I'd rather have a President who does what he says, than a President who makes compelling speeches and then doesn't do anything.
tommy - Your keyboard has a shift key and a space bar. Find them and use them. If your keyboard
doesn't have a shift key and a space bar, your can cut and paste some of these: ABCDEFGHIJKLM NOPQRSTUVWXYZ. Oh, and here are some commas for you as well: ,,,,,, Hope that helps.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 06, 2005 07:43 PM (QriEg)
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Pixy and jck-
Thanks for ytour comments. jck raises a fair point about Bush's constancy, but surely there is a golden mean between "blowing in the wind" on the one hand and sheer pigheadedness on the other. Bush depicted Kerry as being at one extreme, but isn't he at the other?
Pixy makes a fair point, too; there are things more important than eloquence and bearing. Of course we want a President who follows through and what he or she promises, to the exent this is possible. With all of the people in the country, though, couldn't we find someone with ALL of the qualities we want? Besides, does Bush really follow through on what he promises? You may be focusing on foreign policy, but what about "compassionate conservatism." A lot of the programs he talked about have received far less funding than he pledged: No Child Left Behind, fighting AIDS in Africa, etc. Closer to foreign policy, remember how he went from saying that he would fire anyone who leaked Plame's identity to saying that he would fire anyone who committed a crime? He isn't really as steadfast as the two of you suggest.
Posted by: Pericles at September 06, 2005 08:17 PM (EpPuP)
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"kalroy that's what i find so amazing.bush 43 has been trying to CUT veteran benefits in a time of war.and the base closings.and the stop-loss orders.and the IRR call ups.and this fancy new robocop type 21st century star-wars garbage."
Tommy, I call BS on all of that. First off, elementary school civics lesson; CONGRESS has power of the purse, not the President. Blame congress. Secondly, the stop loss and IRR call ups were neccessary during the first Gulf war. It is more necessary due to the post Cold War cuts.
If you want to blame anyone for the military cuts it has been a bi-partisan effort on the part of congress. You do realize that the majority effort, however, has been on the part of the Democrats; many of whom support the military, but a large, vocal part is actively anti-military and have been calling for far more draconian cuts than were made under Clinton (during both the Republican congress and more so during the Democrat congress).
You're going to have to realize that though their are exceptions on both sides, the Democrats EARNED their anti-military reputation through both word and deed.
Kalroy
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Kalroy-
Remember that those military cuts started during Bush I. It was called the Peace Dividend back then... we won the Cold War so we didn't need as large of a military force.
There is an element of BS to the "Congress has the power of the purse" argument anyway. Everyone knows that the president has a lot of influence here also. If the prez. puts something in the initial budget proposal, fights hard for it, but Congress still strikes it, then okay, the responsibility belongs to Congress. Otherwise, it isn't so clear.
Posted by: Pericles at September 06, 2005 09:48 PM (EpPuP)
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With all of the people in the country, though, couldn't we find someone with ALL of the qualities we want?
Well, clearly not.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 06, 2005 10:10 PM (RbYVY)
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If you want to blame anyone for the military cuts it has been a bi-partisan effort on the part of congress.
With Republicans holding majorities in both chambers? Bi-partisan doesn't mean one party doing things in two different branches of the government.
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Hint to "Visitor": The military cuts started over a decade ago.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at September 07, 2005 07:07 PM (QriEg)
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Sarah,
I think about Bunker very often, too, and go to his page just to click on the link, a lot.
You're a good egg: keep up the fire.
Paulie
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I, too, think of Bunker daily. I sure do miss him...
Another military family here who supports Bush. Husband and I both think Bush is a good leader. Personally, I think he's too big of a spender (my libertarian leanings showing) and should have vetoed SOMETHING by now lol. However, when it comes to defending this nation, I trust him. I thank God that Gore wasn't in office on September 11th. All we needed was another president who lead by polls and focus groups as that idiot Clinton did.
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FIGHT
I bought the husband the extended
Lord of the Rings trilogy for his birthday, and we watched the movies again for the first time since the movie theater. As I watched preparations for the battle of Helms Deep, I told my husband that there's no way they would've herded me into the cellar. I couldn't imagine sending my husband and son off to fight while I stayed underground. The only exercise my arms get is knitting, but I would've fought, struggled to lift a sword, even though it surely would've meant death at the hands of an orc. But I would've had to try, had to fight.
Hey, maybe I'm a sheepdog.
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August 31, 2005
QUEST
I read this story of the
quest to appropriate a white cross from Cindy Sheehan's circus. It sounds like things have gotten a little more complicated in Crawford since a few weeks ago when Mrs. Sims' friend uprooted CPT Sims' cross; I guess the police are involved now in order to keep the peace at the peace protest. I love the irony in that one.
But something in this blog post really caught my eye:
Once the details were taken care of, we were given a tour of Camp Reality. There is one father who is trying to raise money to get a bronze statue (of the rifle, boots, and helmet) placed in the hometown of each fallen soldier.
Has anyone heard anything else about this idea? I think it's a beautiful goal, and I'd be interested in donating and advertising this fundraiser. Any chance any of you know more about this man? Google wasn't much help.
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http://www.lesttheybeforgotten.com/
I read about it at the live blogger from NRO online a few days ago.
http://buzz.nationalreview.com/074337.asp
Turning in my thesis tomorrow...mad scramble doing footnotes now.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at August 31, 2005 07:36 AM (IZ+n/)
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A soldier's monument is his achievement. My monument is a South Korea brilliantly alive while North Korea stays dark.
Feather Merchant monuments ususally ring hollow.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at August 31, 2005 03:22 PM (ss8Gt)
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I think that this is the basic idea for the memorial:
http://www.largeart.com/War_Memorial.asp
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-05-25-memorials-cover_x.htm
I do think it would be nice if we could create that sort of memorial in each fallen soldier's town. It would be good to honor the fallen and pay respects without the constant childish bickering that the right and left are constantly engaged in.
That said, that article really read like the ramblings of an anti-rational partisan. Promoting the underlying delusion/dishonesty that the protesters are blaming the troops for what the administration has done has completely separated them from reality. The most ironic bit is that the anti-war 'protesters' call themselves 'Camp Reality.' The left has their own problems with namecalling and dishonest rhetoric, which isn't helping either.
This quote was a gem too:
"The Right, for the most part, doesn't protest- we're not angry all the time."
It's almost as if they don't see that the pundits aer constantly playing on people's fear and anger, drumming up their emotions and clouding understanding. But I'd like to think that nobody on could really be that stupid.
Posted by: Mr. Silly at August 31, 2005 07:55 PM (y7lmo)
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I don't understand why someone would want others to die for a lie just because one of their own family members died for a lie. Is this a new kind of pathology?
Posted by: ken at September 03, 2005 08:18 PM (SNQLw)
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ken: Perhaps the error lies in an assumption you're making. Think hard and take a guess.
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August 25, 2005
AMERICAN DREAM
My husbandÂ’s roommate in college came to the US from Poland. He was going to try to make his fortune in New York City, but there was a better deal for flights to Chicago at that time. He left with only the money in his pocket to make a new life for himself. He worked three part-time jobs while he was at college with us; I honestly canÂ’t remember ever seeing him sleep in the entire time IÂ’ve known him. I remember laughing when he finally saved enough to buy a piece of crap car on eBay, and my husband still sometimes brings up the moneysaving kitchen tips he learned from his roommate.
I talked to him this morning, and I can’t erase the huge grin from my face. He has a good job in the cellphone industry now, he’s working on his MBA, and he just bought his second house, one for him to live in and another to “rent out and build some equity.” I laughingly told him that he’s finally living the American Dream; he replied that he is doing so well that he’s actually getting fat. I am so happy for him.
I need to check on our other friend, a Bulgarian who I swear wore the same shirt and pants every day when I first met him. HeÂ’s just finishing up his internship in med school.
What a wonderful country ours is.
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SUPPORT
It seems
Prager's article on the Left's support for the troops caused quite a stir. I thought more about the outrage that article spawned after I read this line from David Horowitz's book,
Radical Son:
Hands Off Cuba! and Bring the Troops Home! were slogans designed to consolidate majorities, but also to achieve agendas that would never have been defended by most of the people who eventually supported them.
Horowitz was talking about the Vietnam era, but I was struck by the parallel to today's cries. And it made me start thinking about all of the people who are offended by the suggestion that they don't support the troops.
My father has had little contact with the military. He didn't go to Vietnam, but he had friends who went and didn't return. He recently surprised my mother with a diatribe about how we should bring our boys home. My father votes Republican, so it's not a matter of politics; I assume he simply can't stand the idea of any Americans fighting and dying, especially when his only daughter's husband is involved. I don't think that makes my dad anti-war...and I would hope that he would be horrified to hear of the birds who have flocked together. That's what struck me about Horowitz's statement.
Who can honestly say that they don't want our soldiers and marines to come home? "Bring the Troops Home!" is a huge umbrella statement that covers many points of view, indeed "designed to consolidate majorities". The scary part is when people who fall under that umbrella don't know about the company they're keeping. ANSWER wants us to bring the troops home too, but they're an offshoot of the Marxist-Leninist Workers World Party, organizing anti-war protests that I'm sure many unsuspecting, good-intentioned people attended. (Hey, if my father went to a protest, maybe some activist could hand him a "Bring Home the Troops" sign, you know, since he's got his hands full with his "Death to Jews" sign anyway.)
Several people emailed or commented to say that they had done X,Y, or Z for friends and family who were deployed. Fabulous. But by being on the Left, you need to be aware of the company you're keeping. Do you know about the reporters such as the one Toby Harnden met?:
Not only had [a well-known journalist] ‘known’ the Iraq war would fail but she considered it essential that it did so because this would ensure that the ‘evil’ George W. Bush would no longer be running her country. Her editors back on the East Coast were giggling, she said, over what a disaster Iraq had turned out to be. ‘Lots of us talk about how awful it would be if this worked out.’
Many mainstream writers and people on the Left are actively hoping for failure in Iraq. So are Daily Kos' readers, and that left-wing blog gets more traffic than any other blog out there. Disgusting characters like Ted Rall and Michael Moore want to bring the troops home, and I wouldn't be caught under any umbrella with them.
Most Americans want the servicemembers to come home safe and sound, but if you google "bring troops home", you get a list of anti-war sites and writings. If you want to bring them home, then admittedly you don't want them to all die (which is more than we can say for some), but it's not the same thing as supporting the troops. Support has to be more than sending a box of deoderant and candy and hoping they don't all die. As Prager said, you have to support their fight too. That's where we argue semantics, and I think it's an important distinction. I wrote about this before, and I stand by my original assertion:
LT Smash points out that we have an all-volunteer military and that "the troops are committed to winning the war. If you donÂ’t share that goal, then you are not, by definition, supporting them." People in his comments section disagree, but Smash points out two different definitions of supporting the troops: "Your definition would appear to be 'wish them good health and hope they come home safe.' My definition of 'support' is a bit more robust than that. In my world, 'supporting the troops' also means letting them know that you appreciate the sacrifices they are making, and believe in the cause they're fighting for."
I tend to think that the first definition should be an understood, that no human would wish that soldiers should be injured or die (though some of the posts on Democratic Underground might suggest otherwise). Therefore, it's not worth broadcasting, just as "I support cancer patients" or "I support the disabled" seem inane.
Not everyone agreed with Smash, as the volume of comments shows, but I do agree with him, as I do with Prager. You don't have to agree with me on the definition of "support" if you don't want to, but just be careful of which umbrellas you're under.
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Sarah,
That's the longest post I've seen you put up in a while, and I really appreciate your thoughts and perspective. I am a former Infantry officer (I got out in 2000 as a no-tim-in-grade Captain)and based on my experience, you speak for a lot of soldiers and military families. Keep up the good work; I read your site every day. God bless you and your husband and thank both of you for doing what you do for the rest of us.
Chadd Newman
Frederick, Maryland
Posted by: Chadd at July 20, 2005 10:49 AM (roGJq)
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Part of this post is interesting, and part isn't. The argument that you shouldn't be on the Left at all because there are some nasty people over there isn't serious. The Right is a big umbrella too, with lots of horrible people under it. No matter wehre you are on thepolitical spectrum, you'll be standing close to someone not very respectable. Besides, remember the Left/Right reflects stances on a lot of different political issues. Am I really supposed to start supporting Bush's asinine stance on taxes just because I might not like the foreign policy positions of some people on the Left? (Or rather, because you don't like them?)
The bit about what it means to support the troops is interesting, but unconvincing and/or unclear. Does this mean that anyone who thought the war was a bad idea before it happened automatically doesn't support the troops? That would mean that the only way you could be a person who always supports the troops is to be a person who believes that we ought to go to war against the whole world. That way, whoever we fight next---Sweden?---you think the war is a good idea. This would be crazy, and no one supports the troops in this sense. Remember my post about Republicans who opposed Kosovo, for example.
Maybe the idea is that once we go to war you have to hope we win, even if you opposed the war to begin with. That makes a little more sense, but winning and losing wars aren't the only options. I could never want to see our troops defeated in battle, and I don't think that people who said that they hoped the Iraq policy would fail were really hoping for that either. Someone who wants to bring the troops home immediately (I don't) isn't hoping for a military defeat. Nor is the idea of bringing the troops home when the fight looks unwinnable something that only "the Left" would think of. Nixon pulled out of Viet Nam, Reagan pulled out of Beirut.
Do I have to support the way the war is being fight, in order to support the troops? I think that Rumsfeld screwed up big time by not having a better plan to preserve order in Iraq afer the invasion. Does that mean I don't support the troops? (Is Rummy one of the troops? Is Tommy Franks?) Does it help that the Army War College is on my side? If I think that Abu Ghraib was a fairly serious matter, that it is right that soldier got punished for it, and that probably some officers should have been punished along with the enlisted, does that mean I don't support the troops? If I worry about the fact that troops constantly afraid of being ambushed are sure to kill innocent civilians because something about the way that look makes them nervious, do I not support the troops? If I don't see any way we can avoid continuing to alienate the people we are supposed to be trying to help, do I not support the troops?
Posted by: Pericles at July 20, 2005 03:08 PM (hHudX)
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I live in New York City, and know people who lost family members on September 11th.
Some want the troops home simply because they don't want US soldiers, who signed up to defend our country, to die in a foreign land fighting for a seemingly ungrateful people. They don't care about the nuances and subtleties of winning over the muslim world. They honestly just think that if we have a problem with an Islamic country, well, we have a nuclear arsenal that'll resolve any security issues overseas.
They're honest and good people, but don't think the Muslim world is worth another American soldier's life.
They don't support the liberal approach to "troops out", which is accepting responsibility for the muslim world's problems and grovelling. Their approach is "nuke the sh*t out of the bastards".
Posted by: Sean at July 20, 2005 03:45 PM (BN/Fu)
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It is a weird blindness that refuses to see our interest in killing Jihadists. Their bring the troops home crap is akin to refusing to fight a forest fire until it reaches your fence.
it is likely the pressure to bring the boys home at the end of WWII was inspired by communists who wanted no interference in their push to world dominance. Now it is mostly to bash Bush. Since we know that words can kill, it is time to dust off the sedition laws and write some exile penalties.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at July 20, 2005 04:20 PM (xX0fS)
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Sedition laws violate the First Amendment. Since Bush tells us that the terrorists hate us for our freedoms, wouldn't getting rid of the Bill of Rights mean that we were appeasing the terrorists? Frankly, I'm not sure that some conservatives' vision of what this country ought to look like is so different from Afghanistan under the Taliban, except without the beards.
Posted by: Pericles at July 22, 2005 02:22 PM (hHudX)
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"the troops are committed to winning the war"
This is where "smash's" argument got completely retarded. The war is over. The troops are working security while Iraq gets back on its feet after we went in got rid of a bad leader and broke a bunch of stuff.
'Supporting our troops' is really a nebulous and ultimately meaningless phrase that right wingers really like since they can keep redefiining it however they like to use it to clobber people they don't like. I have friends and family in the service, I send them things, write them letters, and do what I can to make their lives bearable in that sh*t-hole over there. But since I think (and always thought) that the invasion was wholly unjustified and think that our President is working for the sake of his personal benefit and benefit of his amoral friends rather than for the benefit of either the U.S or Iraq I don't "support the troops."
The whole "support the troops" trope exists to distract from real questions and criticisms. It's just a tar baby designed to get you stuck in lame arguments where the terms can keep being redefined since they are ultimately meaningless.
Posted by: R at July 22, 2005 08:59 PM (+pCG+)
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My first question is why would you have read Horowitz in the first place? If you want to inform yourself to what's going on in the world he's one of the last people you should refer to.KB
Posted by: KB at July 28, 2005 08:40 AM (aBYwA)
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