May 24, 2004
ACCOMPLISH
I have been trying to grok florian.
I have no idea what kind of person florian is -- man, woman, old, young -- but I know florian doesn't live in the same America I live in. I also know that we don't have any common ground, and you all know how important that is to me. I can't figure out what florian intends to accomplish here.
I'm not trying to be snarky at all; I seriously am curious why florian keeps reading my blog. I obviously care more about the American military than any other in-group I belong to, so posting links about turncoats is not going to make me re-evaluate how much I value our loyal and selfless servicemembers. Moreover, I obviously know that there are a few bad apples in the barrel, but I am absolutely certain that most servicemembers are not targeting civilians, as florian has tried to get me to admit. Every time florian comments, I tend to sigh and shake my head. I don't for one second consider re-thinking my position.
Which leads me to wonder about the in-between: I have basically given up on any hope for grey area. I see the world in black and white these days. There are good guys and bad guys; there are rights and wrongs. Researching, reading blogs, and trying to grok every day for the past eight months has been a double-edged sword: the more I learn about the world, the less likely I am to compromise on what I believe. When I am faced with looney imams, kids with AKs, and auctions of Jewish body parts on LGF every day, I am way less likely to give any credence to someone's argument that radical Islam is not the enemy. And, when faced with soldiers who organize charitable organizations, beg to return to Iraq despite the four-inch bullet hole in the forearm, and turn in their idiot buddies who torture prisoners, I am not at all likely to happily sit by and let florian sully everything they stand for. The more I read and learn, the less likely I am to be wishy-washy on my positions.
I do want to continue to grow as a person, and I do want to hear if someone disagrees with me on some details of my thoughts. But I don't learn anything from comments that are completely polar from my worldview. I could consider conceding some middle ground, but I'll never switch over to the other side. That, to me, seems to be what florian wants to accomplish.
I'm very curious, florian: why do you read my blog?
MORE TO GROK:
Florian responds in the comments, and then I respond above.
And is that really Steven Den Beste? I'm honored if it is.
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Hi Sarah,
don't despair over the nutcases.....imagine mainstream American response to the Cannes Film Festival groveling before that gross pig Micael Moore....our observation here is that the "blame America first" crowd while although extremely verbal, continues to dwindle none the less. The reason is that they don't pass the smell test. Most reasonable Americans believe (rightly so I think) that most of our officials and soldiers will act in a reasonable way....i.e. reasonable people agree that the U.S. was "sucker punched" on 9-11 rather than subjugated to some wild conspiracy. Let the HAF crowd continue to make fools of themselves and the rest of us will be content by merely being proven right. Keep up the great work with your Blog Sarah....you are providing a great service!!!
Jim
APMS, AROTC, University of Southern California
Posted by: jim barclay at May 24, 2004 06:13 PM (0e6si)
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As I read a couple of florian's comments, I wondered the same thing. The address is UK, not that it really matters. Florian simply seems to be looking for affirmation by trolling.
Posted by: Mike at May 24, 2004 08:28 PM (NZ4lg)
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I don't doubt that you are unable to comprehend florians visits. You are quite a bit different as a person.
florian has been trying to get a rise out of you. He/she/it is not attempting to understand, or persuade, but rather to provoke a confrontation and an arguement. This serves not as an attempt to change your world view, but just as a vehicle for the arguement itself, as that is the goal. Attention, rather than understanding and growth, provocation rather than consideration.
You do not approach this medium with that outlook, you are looking to understand through reason.
Posted by: John at May 25, 2004 01:45 AM (crTpS)
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You say you care about the US military, but I don’t think so. You think you do, but there is something else underneath it. If you did, you wouldn’t trash our soldiers by calling them “turncoats” when they decide it is their duty to tell the truth about the war. You would listen to them, the Zinnis, the Ritters, the Tagubas, the Masseys. Instead you disgrace the service of generals, of men and women who put their safety and security at risk by listening to their conscience. You say you don’t remember the Cold War, but I do, and there is a kind of a Stalinism in your ability to immediately cut down fellow soldiers and colleagues who stray from the party line.
You say you care about Israel, but I don’t think so. If you did, you would honor the “never again” spirit in the actions of these soldiers. They understand the lesson of the Holocaust -- that soldiers and civilians must never blindly follow immoral orders or support immoral policies. Staff Sgt. Massey told his CO he felt they were committing genocide --murdering civilians, desecrating bodies. His CO called him a wimp. You probably would too.
Why do I read your site?
Partly fascination. At your site people call others “conspiracy theorists” and “nutcases” even though they themselves believed in the nutty “Saddam Behind 9-11, Ready To Use WMD” conspiracy theory. At your site I see the pathology of a woman who uses the word “vaginitis” to mean cowardice, who says the life of a child holding a US passport is worth more than one who doesn’t.
Partly to monitor the war cheerleaders’ websites, the collapse of the war effort in the drop off of comments, the doublethink. To read the open diary of a war cheerleader and see the effect of, for instance, the torture policy revelation -- in your case, spontaneous crying and a recourse to Ben Gay and puppies. Then after a few days the return to the denial mode -- the “just a few idiots did it” argument.
Partly info: The great links you disagree with -- the vet turning old war posters into antiwar posters, the thoughtful antiwar writers. Strangely, you donÂ’t target extremists -- maybe because you donÂ’t see yourself as one -- but reasonable dissidence, and then I learn about them too. Thanks.
No, I wouldn’t dream of making you “switch over to the other side” -- as your admitted black-and-white worldview sees it. I do check if any light can crack through it. (By the way, a black-and-white worldview is something you share with radical Islam. They say we become what we hate.)
Posted by: florian at May 26, 2004 05:27 PM (qva6a)
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"...the vet turning old war posters into antiwar posters..."
That would be Micah Wright, wouldn't it? Who claimed to have been in the Rangers and to have been in combat in Panama etc.?
And who was exposed recently as never having served in the military at all?
It made the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60120-2004May1.html
And once he knew the jig was up, he confessed.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at May 29, 2004 03:34 AM (CJBEv)
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May 14, 2004
UNDERDOG
I watched Rocky last night.
When my ESL students and I would do our American Values unit, one of the values I always had to explain at length was "the underdog". Rocky, Rudy, the 1980 US hockey team, these are all modern-day American heroes and folk legends. It's something we as an ESL class spent some time discussing because, to my knowledge, no other culture values the underdog like we do.
When the statue of Saddam came down last March, I was cheering the underdog. But watching Rocky last night triggered an analogy: we Americans are so familiar with the concept of bootstrapping that we sometimes have a hard time understanding why Iraq doesn't drink a glass of raw eggs and get to work. Iraq's Apollo Creed is Islamic Fundamentalism; the US arranged the fight but we can't understand why Iraq won't get in the ring. Having been raised on Rocky, Rudy, and Mighty Ducks, we easily forget that others don't have that tradition.
Who but an American would ever write
I fervently hope that someday, perhaps decades from now, Iraq will have a really top-notch soccer team. I hope that one day, they will get to the final round of the World Cup, and when they do, I hope it is Team USA they play for the championship.
I hope that the Americans play a tough, aggressive, masterful game, that they use all of the speed and skill and power at their command. And then I want to sit there watching TV as an old man, and watch the faces on the Iraqi people when the game is over, because I want to see that the most relieved and joyous they can conceive of being, is the day that tiny Iraq got out on that soccer field and kicked our ass.
Can the love for the underdog be taught? Can it be transfered to Iraqi society? Maybe our Air Force could drop copies of Rocky and Rudy on Iraqi cities so they can start studying. Someday I want to watch a movie about the Iraqi underdog who got to the top not because Allah was willing but because he worked his ass off. That's my hope for the future.
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Your comment recalled this song (which almost seems to describe OIF?) -Tym
When criminals in this world appear
And break the laws that they should fear
And frighten all who see or hear
The cry goes up both far and near
For Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!
Speed of lightning, roar of thunder
Fighting all who rob or plunder
Underdog. Underdog!
When in this world the headlines read
Of those whose hearts are filled with greed
Who rob and steal from those who need
To right this wrong with blinding speed
Goes Underdog! Underdog! Underdog! Underdog!
Speed of lightning, roar of thunder
Fighting all who rob or plunder
Underdog. Underdog!
Posted by: Tym at May 14, 2004 12:22 PM (jKm1z)
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I had a post a while back about movies Iraqi's should watch - didn't think of the underdog theme, which would be perfect.
Nerdstar says there are tons of dvds - legit and pirated - over there. It would still be cool to have movie theaters and discussions and such over there.
Posted by: Beth at May 14, 2004 06:47 PM (e9V3+)
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May 13, 2004
FREEDOM
I found this on Castle Argghhh's post
Wahabism Delenda Est. It really got to me.
Not all of us can run out and join the fight (though after watching the Nick Berg video, that's the only thing on my mind). Instead we have to fight for freedom at home. Deskmerc once said, "While our troops go out to defend our country, it is incumbent upon us to make the country worth defending." I have kept that on my sidebar to remind myself of my duty, but it's easy to get sidetracked and forget. Castle Argghhh reminded me today.
Our duty is to make the country worth defending. That means prosecuting those who humiliate prisoners, and they will surely be dealt with. But it also means not turning a blind eye to what is going on in this world. It means each and every one of us -- we who grok -- have a duty to try to help others grok. Consider it a sort of political evangelicism; we need to spread The Truth.
When someone equates Abu Ghraib and Nick Berg, we need to set the record straight. Pointing at someone's penis and sawing someone's head off do not a balanced scale make. When someone mistakenly says that both sides in this war on terror want peace, we need to remind them that radical Muslims are not working for peace by a long shot. Hippies want peace on earth; Muslims want death to Americans and Jews. When someone says that war is not the answer, we need to ask them what the f-ing question is.
It is our duty to ask ourselves "What have I done today for freedom?"
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This post is a perfect example of why your site is my first stop each day.
Posted by: Mike at May 13, 2004 08:10 AM (kbqMz)
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"When someone says that war is not the answer, we need to ask them what the f-ing question is."
I like that, and will use it.
Posted by: John at May 13, 2004 08:34 AM (crTpS)
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Oh, and your comments won't save my info.
Posted by: John at May 13, 2004 08:35 AM (crTpS)
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John,
Click on Sarah's permalinks to make comments without having to retype your info. For some reason, clicking on the comments link causes Sarah's copy of Movable Type to have temporary amnesia. Oh Pixyyy ...
Sanskrit translation of THE Sarah quote coming soon to Amaravati ...
Posted by: Amritas at May 13, 2004 09:00 AM (VvnzE)
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I struggle every day with the question "What can I do?". I feel so useless most of the time. Then I just click on your site, and others like yours, and am reminded that I can help. I have a voice. Thank you for reminding me.
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May 09, 2004
APOLOGY
Why is Joe Lieberman
the only one who groks?
Er, not the only one. Some Iraqis grok too.
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There was only one Democrat in the field this year I could have voted for: Lieberman. They dumped him quickly and without remorse. "Party of the working man"? A bigger lie has never been told.
Posted by: Mike at May 09, 2004 07:35 AM (kbqMz)
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May 07, 2004
GROK
Tonight my cell phone rang in my pocket right as I was driving through the gate leaving our post. Since I thought it might be the husband, I really wanted to answer it, but since it's illegal to drive and talk on a cell phone in Germany, the gate was not the smartest place to answer the phone.
Turns out it wasn't the husband, but a great surprise nonetheless: Tim.
And look what he found for me...
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May 02, 2004
WOW
Nighthawk emailed me a link to an
article about the Spirit of America fundraiser:
The column describing Spirit of America's effort to raise $100,000 for the TV stations appeared in this space 14 days ago. Since then, the following has happened:
Jim Hake, Spirit of America's entrepreneur founder, says they have received $1.52 million. Some 7,000 donations have come from every state, and one from . . . France.
Amazing stuff.
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