September 15, 2006
RACE RELATIONS
I've been thinking more about my post from yesterday, and I can't help but think that this simple act of
buying a greeting card has encapsulated my view of race relations.
My college roommate (whom I've written about before) was afraid to walk across campus alone because she thought she'd be lynched. I am not making that up. I invited her to a party one night with some of my friends, and she kept asking me if it would be OK and if my friends would think it was weird. The next day, she said how much fun she had had and how accepted she felt. Well, duh. But she said that there was no way on earth that she would've taken me to one of her friends' parties, because none of them would've accepted me. But we white people are supposed to be the racist ones.
I always end up depressed when I watch Dave Chapelle, Chris Rock, or other black comedians. I hope it's just schtick, but they seem to roll with the idea that all white people have an inner klansman. That we all secretly hate black people and can't stand to be around them. Well, if we've given any vibes that we don't want to be around them, I believe it's usually because we're scared to death that we'll offend them. In my reality, most white people bend over backwards to never ever ever do anything that could mildly be construed as offensive or racist when there's a Person Of Color in the room. We walk on eggshells to make sure we don't say anything rude. That is what's happening today between the races: white people are scared to death of hurting black people's feelings. That's how two French kids ended up as African-Americans.
You know what the conclusion to my card buying experience was? After I walked away from the rack, I thought that I might like to get another copy of the same card. Good cards are hard to come by, and I always like to have nice ones on hand. I went back to the rack and found a black lady perusing the cards. And I walked away. I was too nervous to walk my sour cream ass up to the Mahogany section and stand side by side with her to pick out cards. I was afraid of what she'd think of me. I was afraid that, rather than having her think "Cool, this white girl thinks it's OK to send a card with a black face on the front", she would wonder why in the hell some white girl has to come into her card section when there's two whole aisles of cards for white people. I think that's what a lot of white people fear these days. I wanted her to think I was cool and hip, but I was afraid that it would backfire and make her dislike white people even more. That's why white people switch off the rap music when they stop at a red light next to a black person. That's why we don't put the collard greens back. We're afraid that the things that could possibly bring us together -- the fact that this woman and I both liked the same greeting cards -- might be used to make us look bad. And so we don't bother to reach out in the first place.
I don't have any idea what it's like to be black, but I know that being white isn't always a piece of cake. We've got a lot of crap floating through our heads every time we encounter a black person, crap that I hope someday we won't have to waste time worrying about.
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You are soo right. And I'll tell you, when my southern accent peaks out, it's even worse. It shows when I'm nervous, which is usually when I'm meeting someone new. For business? Yeah, makes it very difficult sometimes.....
Posted by: Tammi at September 15, 2006 08:36 AM (Bitcf)
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I don't even think about offending people. I always try to treat others the way I want to be treated. You really can't go wrong that way. There will always be people of every race who will have an attitude, and anything you do or say will upset them. That's their problem to deal with, not mine, and I personally refuse to wear a coat of guilt.
Posted by: Cheesy Knit Wit at September 15, 2006 11:07 AM (/l6sd)
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Sarah, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Just like the comment yesterday that said there are no racists only people who don't know any better... black people can be the same way. Some of us were reared to believe that all whites are racist... and some of us believe that. But, the smart ones know better.
Posted by: Terri at September 15, 2006 11:12 AM (cgjLF)
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I must be the most oblivious person in the whole world. None of this would occur to me. My only issue with the card section is if someone is standing and blocking the section I would like to look at. Otherwise, I'm so focused on getting the job done (in this case buying a card) I don't have the time or energy to worry about what anyone else is thinking about my buying habits.
Not to mention, if I pick up an item mistakenly (which I do periodically because I don't always read labels like I should...) I have no hesitation in telling the checker that I don't want it (if I notice before I get home). How it makes one racist to want spinach when you came to the store to buy spinach... it's beyond my comprehension.
So far I haven't been called for any sort of racist behavior in a store. It's too much work to worry about everyone else and what they might be thinking. Unless the person outright gets in my face (something that has never happened to date in my life), I'm assuming they shop the same way I do... for what they want. If I don't care what they buy, why should they care what I buy?
Posted by: Teresa at September 15, 2006 12:29 PM (o4pJS)
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Jay Leno touched on it in his monologue last night. He mentioned the current "Survivor" show that has created tribes according to race. He complained that all the races can cheer on their groups except whites. It's okay for African-Americans to yell, "Go, Blacks!" But it sure sounds bad if a White American yells, "Go Whites!" Nope, not fair at all.
Funny thing about racism, I've always encountered it in the places I least expect it.
I'm Asian but have always considered myself an American that just happened to be Asian. I have been criticized by others for not referring to myself as an Asian-American. But I think I have more in common with people in Texas than in the far east. Especially if you saw me wearing my Stetson, drinking a beer, and listening to Toby Keith. I do drive a pick-up, am a NRA Life Member but I don't chew tobacco.
Okay, let me get to my observation: I've encountered open racism here in the Northwest and in the Northeast. But I've never seen a hint of it in the South. I've experienced the most racism in Hawaii, China, and Japan. Go figure!
R
Posted by: R at September 16, 2006 01:32 PM (Mn1rm)
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"she would wonder why in the hell some white girl has to come into her card section"
We seem to be more segregated every day. Why not put ALL the birthday, anniversary, get well etc. cards together. Shouldn't matter if the picture on the front is black or white.
I have friends who are black (sigh, even that statement has racial overtones, because of PC idiocy)and hispanic etc. etc.
I tend to lean a little conservative politically and socially. Sometimes when I'm talking with one of my black friends I will be hesitant about expressing my POV; they might take the opposite liberal view and I'm afraid of looking like a racist. Then when they say something that is consistant with my thoughts, I'm surprised. I hate that I do this, but, there it is. Are we so programmed to think that all minorities are liberal thinkers by the media? By being told on a daily basis that external differences outweigh internal similarities? I just try to be the kind of friend that I would like to have.
Posted by: Pamela at September 16, 2006 01:47 PM (HRfF5)
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i have a fitting story to share:
an important detail: the school my children go to is a magnet school where the students are determined by a lottery system. the school is located in an area of town that is at least 95% black.
now, onto the story:
while standing in the front of the school, waiting for my children to emerge with about 30 other non-black parents and about 10 parents who were, a car approaches the school with the music blaring. not just any car - a metallic gold, 1970-something cadillac, with ALL kinds of flash and 'bling'. not just any music - rap. and not the fun, bouncy kind. f* you, n* --over and over and over LOUD! the bell rings, traffic is backed up and at barely a crawl. children are spewing out of the school, the cadillac is now sitting directly in front of the school, still blaring it's filth. 30 parents and now teachers and even the principal stand frozen on the school lawn, staring. every person terrified to tell this young man to turn his crap down. not fearing this young black male in his 'do-rag' and 'wife-beater', but fearing what will be thought of them for approaching this young man. would it be racist to ask him to turn it down? the children, for crying out loud! after 1/2 a second of worry of what the black parents were going to think of me...i did it. marched my white self right over to his car, leaned in a bit, and asked him to "please turn it down. the kids are all getting out of school and this is very inappropriate language"
"oh, sure thing, ma'am." was his reply, and he turned it off. perfectly nice young man (with horrible taste in music-just my opinion).
i'm still angry about the whole thing. i wouldn't have had that 1/2 second hesitation had it been a young white man in a truck. it's all so frustrating. damn eggshells! this guy was in the wrong, no matter his color. it's juat a shame that we're all so frozen by being PC and not hurting anyone's feelings, that parents aren't even protecting their children.
what IS the next step? how can this all be stopped? my children are 1/2white and 1/2 hispanic - i don't want people to feel the need to walk lightly around them because of their mixed heritage. ugh! it's just nuts
Posted by: Rebecca at September 17, 2006 11:32 AM (YL5y0)
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I did the same thing you did a few years ago - I found one card in the store that said what I wanted to for a friend's wedding, and so I bought it.
As I was signing it in the car, one of my other friends who was with me started laughing because I had bought the Mahogany card - I hadn't noticed. This was year 3 or 4 of my being in the US; I didn't know there were racially segregated greeting cards.
I gave it to the friend anyway - wrote a note in it saying 'apparently this is a Black-person card; I didn't notice when I bought it, but I like what it says. I hope you do too.'
Tis weird how everything has become politically charged these days.
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September 14, 2006
HESITATION
I love stationery and cards, so I always spend time looking for just the right thing to send. As I was looking at cards today, I came across one that was really nice. The photo was classy, the words were not schmaltzy, and it was the card I wanted to buy. But I hesitated...and then shrugged it off...and then hesitated again...and then finally bought it. I decided my hesitation would make an interesting question to pose on my blog: Would you think it was weird if your white friend sent you a Mahogany card? Or would you even notice? If you're white, would you buy a Mahogany card? And if you're black, would you send a Mahogany card to a white friend? If I send it, will I look like I'm "trying too hard to not be racist"? And if I don't send it, will I look racist?
So much social commentary surrounding one little card!
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I went through the same hesitation several months ago. It took me forever to find a card that exactly expressed what I wanted to say, and then when I found it, it was a Mahogany card. I hesitated as well, but ended up buying it anyway, because it had the perfect sentiment - but I always wondered if the recepient noticed - or thought it was weird.
Posted by: Jen D at September 14, 2006 10:37 AM (D4EDG)
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I think we've all been conditioned to worry about this stuff way too much. My 21 year old daughter went to the grocery store recently to buy some fresh spinach. When she was checking out and they rang it up, it came up as collard greens and she realized she had grabbed the wrong thing. She was worried it would look racist if she put it back, so she bought it, cooked it and ate it. She said it was good! But I still think the story shows how oversensitive we are. I say send the card if it spoke to you and don't give it a 2nd thought.
Posted by: Amy at September 14, 2006 02:26 PM (I9LMv)
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You're racist if you are and you're not it you're not.
Posted by: Will at September 14, 2006 02:54 PM (H4u2c)
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If your friend is really a friend they won't even notice, but rather appreciate the message inside. Racism is what you or anyone else makes it.
And for the record....I don't know any racist, they are just people who don't know better.
Questions like this are why I love reading your page!
...by the way, I'm half black and I would have put the collard greens back, because I prefer spinach!
Posted by: Vonn at September 14, 2006 03:23 PM (/VoEr)
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Flowers, kittens, ducks, puppies and stuff like that work better as they provide a path through the stupid-ass P.C. minefield.
Posted by: Jim - PRS at September 14, 2006 09:49 PM (ANg2D)
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This is what is wrong with the massively over PC crowd. Now sending something as simple as a Card has turned in to, will this person think I am a racist because of the color of my card. WTF over as long as the card itself is not blatantly racist, i.e. has a burning cross or something like that on it. I would not worry about it. Remember a friend will get you out of jail, but a true friend will be in jail with you going, She did not look like a cop.
Posted by: dagamore at September 14, 2006 10:28 PM (7IZfE)
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Found you through Sensless drive by thoughts! I would have to say, from one stationary lover to another, that to me, it would not matter. If it says what I want it to say, I would not have given it a second thought. I probably would not have even noticed to be truthful.
Posted by: Aunt Murry at September 15, 2006 04:21 AM (/n9kT)
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I'd like to know if a black person is even writing these sentiments for these cards?
We are all too sensitive. I've bought these cards.
I love 'em
Posted by: Kelly's mom at September 15, 2006 04:44 AM (U+Azr)
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I know exactly what you mean; we have gone from insensitivity to racism to hyper-sensitivity to even the mere possibility that a racist thought might accidently pass through our mind. I hope we will soon reach the point at which true racists can be alienated by everybody for the jerks they are; and the rest of us can have a conversation (or buy a card) without worrying that someone is going to THINK we are racist.
On the other hand; when some telemarketer calls and makes a comment about my Southern accent the first thing I ask is "What are you some kind of racist?" they usually end up apologizing and promising to take me off their calling list. I have a friend who says I'm a hypocrit for using the same PC crap that I hate just to get rid of someone I don't want to talk to. (OK, they don't have to comment on my accent, I just look for a reason to accuse them of incipient racism. They usually don't even stop to figure out that I'm not black and it has gotten me off more calling lists than the so-called do not call register.)
Sigh....I am not a nice person.
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Posted by: tim at September 15, 2006 07:38 AM (nno0f)
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Hmmm...I'd never even heard of Mahogany cards. But you can send ME one anytime. I promise I won't think you're weird.
Posted by: Erin at September 15, 2006 10:41 AM (023Of)
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"And for the record....I don't know any racist, they are just people who don't know better."
Exactly.
Funny, I am black and I was going to write that the photo (not nec. cartoon) on the card should reflect the race of the recipient (i.e. I wouldn't buy a black person a card with a white person on it)... but then even I hestitated because this made sense to me in the world of black and white... but, I stopped to ask myself if I would be racist if I gave an asian person a card with an asian person on it.
So the answer is... i don't know.
Posted by: Terri at September 15, 2006 11:04 AM (cgjLF)
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I believe if you like the card, then nothing else shouldn't matter. Go with your first instincts. When people are buying cards they normally look for the card that suits that person, not whether the card is offensive to a race of people. If someone is offended, then their probaly a bit narrow minded, and you can't change that. There The Great One has spoken
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September 12, 2006
THE BEST 5 MINUTES I SPENT ALL MORNING
LGF found a
MEMRI production narrated by Ron Silver called "The Arab & Iranian Reaction to 9/11" that Johnson calls "eye-opening." If you don't have time to sit through 42 depressing minutes of Jew bashing and America hating, let me summarize the first 37 minutes for you: They hate us. But please go over there and at least fast forward to the end of the film. At 36:47, there's a final segment called Reformists. These are the people we want to hear about; these are the Muslim people condemning the conspiracy theories and lamenting that their people were involved in 9/11. Go watch them, and hope there are more of them out there and that they continue to get a voice on Arab television. Be sad that there are 37 minutes of hate-filled voices and only five minutes of sanity, but go listen to those five minutes. They're our only hope.
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My internet connection sucks too much to watch that. But I wanted to know at least something about Iran, so i went to wikipedia and read their page on the country. Very interesting stuff there, like the fact that Islamic forces from the WEST took over Iran in 600 AD, Islam having risen out of Judaism and Christianity.
In the early 20th century, Iran/Persia remained sovereign and strove towards modernization and social reforms until 1941 when it was taken over by Britian for its oil fields.
The rest of Iran's history in the 20th century involves countries from the West (namely Britain and America) assasinating moderate, democrately elected leaders (who wanted control over their resources) or provoking wars against the country, like the US did by supporting Iraq in the 1980s. (500 000 to 1 000 000 Iranian casualities.)
Anyway, I wish I could watch that video. I bet they really hate us.
Posted by: Will at September 12, 2006 10:00 AM (H4u2c)
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Yeah, Alexander the Great ruled them a few millenia ago...seems quite reasonable to want to recreate the holocaust in 2006. I can totally sympathize.
The Ottoman empire ruled most of Austria. Maybe the governor of California will call for the extermination of every Turk. It's just as reasonable.
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COMMEMORATE
My husband suggested that we commemorate 9/11 by "doing things that would piss bin Laden off." So we had
bourbon glazed
pork chops for dinner and watched
Team America. I drew the line at "wearing a really slutty outfit all day" though.
The internet and television were sad places yesterday. A week ago when I heard some networks were going to rerun their 9/11 coverage, I thought the idea seemed a bit weird. But I must admit that I was glued to MSNBC for hours yesterday morning. First of all, I never saw the real-time coverage five years ago (getting to class on time and all...) Watching the coverage with hindsight was extremely interesting; it was strange to know the exact minute a tower would fall and then wait for Lauer and Couric to notice it. When the second plane hit, all CNN could think was that there must have been a major problem with navigational equipment; no one could even fathom that someone had done this intentionally. So an idea I originally thought was silly turned out to be the best way to mark the anniversary, in my opinion.
I couldn't even begin to read all 2996 tributes; the ones I did read made me too sad to go on. The best part of a tribute I read yesterday? From Uncle Sam Ate My Baby, the blog where I learned about the 2996 project in the first place:
While Mercery Molina hopes that her fatherÂ’s body will some day be found on the ground, I prefer to think that Manuel didnÂ’t fall to the ground with the World Trade Center but rather that he just stepped up to Heaven from the 110th floor since he was so close anyway and just reached out and took hold of the hand of God.
What a comforting image that is. Also Angie's statement that the color of the sky in New York is "red, white and blue."
But the best 9/11 article ever written still continues to be the one James Lileks wrote in 2002.
And thus as it turns to September 12th, we can forget about 9/11 for another year. Last night my husband remarked how sad it is that people are only patriotic on the 4th of July, in love on Valentine's Day, and mad at terrorists on September 11th. He's right: we should be all of those things every day of the year.
Let's piss Osama off every day.
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OK, but you DID wear the "really slutty outfit" at least part of the day right?
Posted by: tim at September 12, 2006 06:07 AM (QsSL6)
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I piss off Osama by being as liberal as possible every day.
Posted by: Will at September 12, 2006 09:28 AM (H4u2c)
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That last paragraph chocked me up something terrible. You hit that one square on the head.
But I love how you all commemorated the day. PERFECT. But I really think you should have gone with the slutty outfit. Icing on the cake and all. ;-)
Posted by: Tammi at September 12, 2006 10:39 AM (8X052)
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I watched the MSNBC replay also. I was in Yellowstone when it happened and didn't see TV for a couple of days. But I had NPR on and listened in real time and knew when the first plane went in that we had been attacked. I am almost 70 and I remember Pearl Harbor and it was the same feeling. Even though I was very young in 1941 the enormity of what had happened was clear. Uncles and cousins went to war. I find it hard to believe so many people do not see what we are up against. I feel the politicians who began their immediate drumbeat are responsible for many deaths of our people and the Iraqis.
Posted by: Ruth H at September 12, 2006 10:44 AM (t5hib)
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Ruth--Could WWII have been won if leaders of the opposition party had embraced the 1940s equivalent of Michael Moore?...some guy who talked about how stupid Americans were and how "heroic" our enemies were? If writers and entertainers had continuously talked about what a bad country we were? If professors had interminably preached moral equivalence?
I'm sure that there were more divisions at the time than in romanticized memory, but I can't imagine that they were anything like what is going on now.
Posted by: David Foster at September 12, 2006 11:28 AM (/Z304)
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In an ongoing effort to thumb my nose at Osama and his gang of murderers... we had pork bratwurst for dinner tonight and I am not wearing hajib or burqua. I think they consider any woman wearing anything less to be dressed like a slut - so that works. *grin*
Posted by: Teresa at September 12, 2006 04:37 PM (o4pJS)
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Excellent way to observe the day - wish I'd thought of it!
Posted by: Barb at September 13, 2006 06:49 AM (PGzrn)
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That's awesome! The kids and I all wore red, white and blue, and we had PORK italian sausage for dinner. Can't say that I had a reason to wear anything slutty at any time of the day (or night) though. Don't want to scare off the locals AND bin Laden!
Posted by: AFSister at September 13, 2006 07:19 AM (O0ub1)
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Excellent! I am in agreement with the others--you should have gone with the outfit, too.
Posted by: Molly Pitcher at September 13, 2006 02:17 PM (xNDg7)
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Thanks for mentioning my tribute on your blog. Gee, I feel my head growing. My son will be going to Iraq next year, so 9/11 is constantly on my mind. I am proud of the way America honored those that died on this fifth anniversary, but I am WAY proud of the way the blogesphere responded. I guess thats why I like it here online so much. We are a bunch of patriotic people. I've always loved this country and always will. Thanks for the boost.
Posted by: Stoicmom at September 14, 2006 03:06 PM (MvdmE)
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Wearing a really slutty outfit all day...I can so see your husband saying that. You want to know how much I'm laughing right now? A lot.
Man, I miss you guys.
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September 11, 2006
THE COLOR OF THE SKY
My high school English teacher burned the first sentence of the Stephen Crane story "The Open Boat" into our brains: "None of them knew the color of the sky." I always think of this story whenever I think of 9/11 because
everyone knows the color of the sky on September 11, 2001. It's usually one of the first things a New Yorker will mention.
For many Americans, 9/11 was immediate. But for some of us, busy with grad school 825 miles west of the World Trade Center, 9/11 took a while to sink in. The lessons were slow in coming for someone who had never been to NYC. I'm ashamed now of how self-centered my life seemed back then, when nothing mattered except getting to class on time.
For most Americans, 9/11 is still not over. For some families, the loss of a loved one will never stop hurting. For those who walk around NYC, the empty sky where the WTC stood will always be obvious. For some, the consequences of 9/11 are subtle but very real: the volunteers who are slowly dying from the death they inhaled that day, the children who are growing up without a parent, and the people who survived the WTC, only to be filled with guilt and anguish over living. My cousin survived the fall of the Towers, waking up in a coma weeks later. She's only now starting to put the pieces of her life back together. The effects are subtle indeed.
And for those of us who only knew about 9/11 from the TV or papers, those of us who woke up to The Way The World Is after those attacks, life will never again be about just getting to class on time.
Today, five years later, I wonder what the color of the sky is over New York City.
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After rain and clouds early this morning...the sky is as blue today as it was that morning 5 years ago. I'm 2 hours away from New York, and what you mentioned IS the thing I remember the most. That is was a beautiful day. A perfect fall morning. I remember that, and then later...the silence of no air traffic going over my house.
Posted by: Mare at September 11, 2006 05:51 AM (xamKk)
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The color of the sky in NYC is "Red, White and Blue"
Posted by: Angie at September 11, 2006 02:19 PM (SA3c9)
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FRANK PALOMBO
The hole left in the earth at the foot of Manhattan is nothing compared to the hole left in our hearts by Frank Palombo's departure from this earth.
--Steve Kennedy
When you sign up for the 2996 Project, you get an out-of-a-hat name and a photo. I stared at that photo a long time before I started my research, trying to get a feel for Frank Palombo.
All I could think about was how old-timey he looked, how he looked like a man from another era. And when I started reading about him, I realized he was a man from another era.
Frank Palombo met his wife when she was nine and he was 14 [1]. Nine years later they went on a date, and there went Frank's plans of joining the priesthood [2]. Their marriage brought ten children.
Ten children.
My heart dropped when I realized how "famous" Frank Palombo is among 9/11 victims. Major Giuliani himself attended Palombo's funeral and told his children, "Nobody can take your daddy away from you, you know that you are the son and daughter of a great man, a hero, a fallen warrior" [3]. New York Giants coach Jim Fassel has given both his money and his time to help raise the ten Palombo children, inviting them to games and eating dinner at their home [4]. But Frank's wife, Jean, doesn't want to be the famous 9/11 family; she turned down an invitation to be on Oprah [5].
I've been so impressed reading about Jean Palombo. She woke up on 9/11 thinking she was pregnant again. But God didn't bring her another baby that day; instead He took her husband. Through it all, she seems to have remained an incredibly strong woman. I want to weep when she describes her family's new life: "The children are happy because of the father they have, but they miss not being able to play with him, not being able to pray with him, not being able to learn with him, and not being able to be with him" [6].
Oh, and I haven't even mentioned yet that he was a firefighter. He was set to retire in January 2002 but instead was one of six firefighters lost from his Ladder.
Look at his photo again. Frank Palombo was a devoted Catholic and public servent. He organized youth group trips to see the Pope [7]. He loved being a father and even wanted more children. He seems more like a Greatest Generation than a Baby Boomer, doesn't he? He was like a man from a simpler time, an older generation that took pride in a strong family and a life of service to others. It's not common to find men like this these days, and I think the world is worse off for losing a man like Frank Palombo.
Remember Frank Palombo today for the simple but full life he led, a life devoted to his faith, family, and fellow men. And remember Jean Palombo and Anthony, Frank Jr., Joseph, Maria, Thomas, John, Patrick, Daniel, Steven, and Margaret Mary.
OTHERS TO REMEMBER TODAY:
Manuel Molina
Vincent Morello
Ramzi Doany
Father Mychal Judge
Mark McGinly
Scott Johnson
Robert Frank Tipaldi
Battalion 1 Chief Matthew Ryan
Chow Kwan Lam
Brian McDonnell
Zhanetta Tsoy
Chip Chan
(If I haven't found your tribute today, please leave me a comment so I can add it.)
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Frank Robert Tipaldi, RIP
Posted by: Lara at September 11, 2006 05:12 AM (wyGVM)
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After rain and clouds early this morning...the sky is as blue today as it was that morning 5 years ago. I'm 2 hours away from New York, and what you mentioned IS the thing I remember the most. That is was a beautiful day. A perfect fall morning. I remember that, and then later...the silence of no air traffic going over my house.
Posted by: Mare at September 11, 2006 05:49 AM (xamKk)
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In memory of Brian G. McDonnell.
Posted by: JT at September 11, 2006 06:43 AM (02Q5H)
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I love your tribute to this fine man. I especially like that he had 10 children. I am one of 10 and my dad's name was Frank. Also, we have a Frank Jr., a Joseph, a John Patrick, a Margaret and a Mary in our family. Yeah, good Catholics. Thanks for a nice tribute.
Posted by: Stoicmom at September 11, 2006 08:33 AM (MvdmE)
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Wow. That's a sad, but awesome story. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by: Nicole at September 11, 2006 03:04 PM (nTCFk)
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September 04, 2006
TALES AND LEGENDS
Yes, Jack Bauer is a fictional character. But what is the purpose of our modern day tales and legends if not moral instruction? Don't we invent heroes because we wish to emulate them in some way, because their exaggerated traits are our ideal? We don't watch
24 because we want Jack to wimp out and take the easy way to appease the enemy; we watch it because we want our inner heroes to strive to measure up to our fictional heroes.
I wrote this a year and a half ago, and I still firmly believe it:
I'm also convinced that Flight 93 would've crashed into the White House or whatever its destination if the passengers on board hadn't been raised on good old fashioned Hollywood movies. If these men and women had never seen Passenger 57 or Air Force One, they might never have thought that they could've overpower the hijackers. One of the men on board even had a Superman tatoo; they were steeped in American culture and taught from day one that they can do anything they put their minds to. I honestly believe this is what brought Flight 93 down in a field instead of in D.C., and I'm ever grateful for the bravery those passengers showed.
But would they have had the guts to do it if they hadn't seen Wesley Snipes do it first?
I'm well aware that life isn't a movie and we don't always get a happy ending. But Fabrizio Quattrocchi had a fiancee and family too, and he still had the courage to defy the enemy. I'm saying I hope I'd do the same. You don't have to agree with me, but don't insult my intelligence by reducing my very serious and heartfelt post into pretending I don't understand the difference between TV death and real death.
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Look up from your comic book and realize that reality must be granted at least a little creadence.
Posted by: Jimdennis at September 04, 2006 12:57 PM (+TF9w)
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Youcan keep thinking that, but in my heart I know the government would have authorized the shooting down of this airliner. There were already F-15's and F-16's scrambled and armed. This plane would not have made it another 100 miles, and since they crashed about 150 miles from DC I think you are to put it mildly delusional.
Posted by: BubbaBoBobBrain, at September 04, 2006 01:00 PM (8ruhu)
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I wonder about the motivations of people who post comments like the two above. Isn't the purpose of political dialogue to try and change people's minds? Could anyone think that a comment like "look up from your comic book" would contribute to changing Sarah's thinking, or the thinking of any of those who visit here? So what's the point.
Posted by: david foster at September 04, 2006 01:35 PM (/Z304)
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David Foster, You have me exactly sir. All appologies. Nobody changes anybody's mind.
Posted by: jimdennis at September 04, 2006 01:41 PM (wn3bo)
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Well, "nobody" is too broad-brushed, but folks with winning personalities like yours and the lab mouse's aren't too convincing, jimdennis.
Posted by: Patrick Chester at September 04, 2006 01:55 PM (MKaa5)
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Almost nobody then. Almost nobody changes almost anybody's mind.
Posted by: jimdennis at September 04, 2006 02:02 PM (wn3bo)
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Silence... glad to see that I've prevailed in this struggle of the Titans... now,I'm going hooome!
Posted by: jimdennis at September 04, 2006 02:25 PM (Dix1f)
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Oh look, a comment leech! Usually you can just burn those off with a match, they let go right off and fall to the ground. No need to worry about infection, this species simply has a head up the cloaca of the previous leech, creating a charming circle of regurgitated excrement that goes round and round, each one feeding themselves the same shit reflexively without hope of any new input.
Pay it no mind.
Posted by: Deskmerc at September 04, 2006 03:04 PM (7efBj)
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Screw you guyths.
Posted by: jimdennis at September 05, 2006 01:43 PM (vEWGl)
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Sarah, you're right in one way, television and movies are todays fables. In earlier times these were the stories told round the fire. The brothers Grimm told tales (the real original hair raising tales - not the Disney pap) to make children stop and think about the consequences of their actions. What might happen if you do "this"? What might happen if someone you know does "that"?
But I also think the American way of life has much to do with how Americans react and jump in to "do" instead of sitting back and accepting. On thinking about this, I wonder if you had a plane load of "welfare raised" people, would they have done anything at all or would they have been shouting into their cell phones that the government better get up there and save them... (and while it would be a stretch to imagine a plane full of welfare people - I do know most of them have cell phones)
I hope I would be able to stand up for what I believe in if I was confronted by these people. I will never know unless I am confronted though - but I do think about it.
Posted by: Teresa at September 05, 2006 05:33 PM (o4pJS)
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Wellfare-raised people have no spines. Only the wealthy have heart enough to lead this country to victory. If a hijacked plane reaches its target, it's the fault of the poor and their enablers - the liberals.
Posted by: Will at September 05, 2006 08:41 PM (H4u2c)
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I find it funny that so many complain that there are no role models in current society and that children have so few to look up to. When Sarah chooses two people with admirable behavior (one real and one fictional) sheÂ’s slammed and told that her opinion that these models of human nature are just some sort of delusion she's created with her head stuck in the sand.
Fictional or otherwise, behaviors as well as people can be looked upon as a source of encouragement and ones you would like to adopt for your own. Is there really something wrong with hoping that you would be as strong as Superman when standing up for the safety of your family? Or maybe as smart as another superhero in resolving something with your government?
If it makes you act better, or hell take action at all then thereÂ’s nothing wrong with really wrong with a comic book character or TV or whatever.
Posted by: Household6 at September 06, 2006 07:14 AM (40zEu)
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Yes, it's all good and whatever to look up to heroic archetypes. But just remember that facists tend to create mythological heroes and villains (scapegoats) in order to rally the people and realize their skewed visions.
Mythology is an important for the fabric of any society. WIthout myth we are lost in a world without direction. But the danger lies in fusing the fantasy with reality - in creating 1 to 1 comparisons like Sarah has done with Baur and Snipes and the people who fell from the burning towers.
Allegory is on a higher plane of philosophy. You can't shape it into current affairs because it is bigger than that. And that's important, or else petty liberals and conservatives would start claiming it for themselves, and that ultimately leads to genocide.
I think that's what gets me so angry when politicians invoke religion. It's inappropriate of them to do so because they don't speak for everyone - not nearly everyone. So what gives them the right to speak on behalf of myth or speak on behalf of God.
Posted by: Will at September 06, 2006 01:47 PM (H4u2c)
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Wow, Sarah. Congrats on attracting such wonderful people! OVER and OVER! I am amazed that the simple themes of your posts are drown by exhausting rhetoric!
I, too, wonder if I would maintain myself and my beliefs!? It's a scary thing....
Posted by: Allicadem at September 06, 2006 03:36 PM (hozcp)
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It's scary because no person of great character can have their beliefs swayed, and those who aren't great are afraid to admit that they could be better.
Posted by: Will at September 06, 2006 10:52 PM (H4u2c)
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Hmm, so either Will was born a "great character" or he is afraid. Interesting. I'm going with "afraid" for Will, since he demonstrates repeatedly that he is not of great character.
The reason the persons on the plane were heroes was because the terrorists shut off the locater once they entered the cockpit. Thus, the plane showed as any other plane on the screens of the air traffic controllers. If you look at the technology at the time that day, the planes could not be identified until all other planes had been grounded.
"Let's roll." How can anyone be so jaded and small in spirit that they can't appreciate the actions of persons on that plane in the face of insurmountable odds? Your posters - Billybob, Will and others - are the types that skulk off the battlefield and return later to rob the corpses. And BRAG about how much brighter they are than those poor fools who fought for something other than their immediate family and cretinous existence. A pox on them.
Posted by: Oda Mae at September 08, 2006 03:03 AM (A+GMh)
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From
Mark Steyn's newest on Centanni and Wiig:
[F]or the Fox journalists and the Western media who reported their release, what's the big deal? Wear robes, change your name to Khaled, go on camera and drop Allah's name hither and yon: If that's your ticket out, seize it. Everyone'll know it's just a sham.
But that's not how the al-Jazeera audience sees it. If you're a Muslim, the video is anything but meaningless. Not even the dumbest jihadist believes these infidels are suddenly true believers. Rather, it confirms the central truth Osama and the mullahs have been peddling -- that the West is weak, that there's nothing -- no core, no bedrock -- nothing it's not willing to trade.
We saw Jill Carroll on TV yesterday talking about how like totally weird it was to play along with terrorists for three months. How she was introduced to a woman whose goal was to be a suicide bomber, how she constantly reminded her captors that they were such good, wholesome people that they would never hurt her, and how she played their game until she was released.
As we watched, I grew frustrated. I told my husband that I really don't know what the survival instinct is like. Maybe the will to live can make you do things that you swear you wouldn't do when you're sitting comfortably on your sofa. But my husband and I share a thought that comes up every time someone is abducted by jihadists: "I love you more than anything in the world, but we don't negotiate with terrorists." I don't know how Carroll kept a straight face when a pregnant mother of three said she can't wait to give birth so she can become a suicide bomber. Could I play along with that, or would the look of disgust rise on my face and give me away? And is that something I would ever want to play along with even if I could suppress the disgust?
I have never forgotten Fabrizio Quattrocchi, and I keep him as an example of how I hope I would react if I ever found myself in this situation. I hope I'd stand up for what I believe in and show the enemy how an American dies. I'm saddened that Quattrocchi's family wishes he would've played along instead of giving his life for what he believed in. I know it would be far easier for me to give my own life than my husband's; I wept when Ken Bigley's family pleaded for his life because I knew I would not do the same. I wouldn't be invited on TV because they couldn't air the foul things I would have to say to my husband's captors.
I've really gotten into watching the show 24. I can't get enough of Jack Bauer, and I think I've recently come to understand why. Jack Bauer sees the big picture. He is willing to sacrifice anything -- his life or the lives of those he loves -- to do what he thinks is right to protect the US. He does what it takes to stop the enemy because he constantly keeps his eye on that 24th hour. His country matters more to him than anything else, and he's a character I have really grown fond of.
We in the West can't understand how a Muslim woman can hide explosives in her baby's bottle, but I'm starting to understand. They value their religion and way of life over any individual person, the same way Jack Bauer values his country. I hope we have many Jack Bauer Americans out there, because we in the West have to decide if there's anything worth dying for. We need to ask ourselves what we value, and how much. What is our way of life worth to us? Because I don't think we're going to get anywhere in this War on Terror if we can't find a good answer to that question.
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Perfect. Another reason I read your blog: clear, well-written ideas. Please write us a book. . .
Posted by: Eric at September 04, 2006 04:03 AM (GqGQo)
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I've often wondered if I 'have what it takes' to go the distance. I want to think I do. But I'm also pretty realistic that I won't be put in that situation.
But that being said, I do now understand their ability to be so single focused. It's the hatred. The hatred drives them. I feel much of that same hatred. But not to the level that I am able to destroy innocents.
What a great post Sarah.
Posted by: Tammi at September 04, 2006 06:59 AM (3UQTn)
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Well, well the mighty and brave one speaks, you tell me exactly what good is it to die, when in my situation I have two children, and a wife depending upon me for income. Oh yeah one of the children is autistic, the other juvenile diabetic. Dead I am useless, at least if I lie my way out alive I can continue to provide for the children, and wife. Typical false bravado from the wing-nuts, and you need to see it as such.
Posted by: BubbaBoBobBrain at September 04, 2006 08:14 AM (8ruhu)
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"They value their religion and way of life over any individual person, the same way Jack Bauer values his country"...maybe with the same intensity, but not in the same way:
"The true soldier fights not out of hate for what lies before him, but out of love for what lies behind him"--G K Chesterton
Posted by: david foster at September 04, 2006 10:57 AM (/Z304)
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Jill Carroll was a jounalist that was telling exactly the kind of stories that conservatives claim they want to be told: infrastructure repair etc.-unsexy stuff.
Jack Bauer is a _FICTIONAL CHARACTER_
Please for Christ's own blessed sake learn the difference, because the difference is not as subtle as you seem to imagine.
Posted by: Jim at September 04, 2006 12:27 PM (C36zR)
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Hm. Something bad must've happened to LLL-dom to have a minor swarm come over here to annoy the hostess. I mean, the lab mouse hasn't shown up for quite some time.
Posted by: Patrick Chester at September 04, 2006 01:32 PM (MKaa5)
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Two quicckpoints for Mr chester:
1) If you consider 5 people a "swarm" you seriously need to read more on the net.
2) I have been reading this site, but haven't bothered to comment because the "hostess" has not been deranged enough for me to have any rebuttal until today.
Posted by: BubbaBoBobBrain at September 04, 2006 07:13 PM (8ruhu)
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It's an interesting post Sarah.
Even if you did claim to convert who's to say they really would release you anyways? Their way of dealing with things is always extremely violent, coversion false or otherwise has a higher chance of death. I'd rather go down like Wallace or Quattrocchi if I were in that situation.
Posted by: Household6 at September 05, 2006 04:56 PM (AJdDU)
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Hi Sarah - this is my first comment on your website. I am still reading yours from 2004 because my fiance was recently deployed and I initally started just to get others' insights into deployment.
"We in the West can't understand how a Muslim woman can hide explosives in her baby's bottle, but I'm starting to understand. They value their religion and way of life over any individual person, the same way Jack Bauer values his country."
I can understand how a Muslim woman can hide explosives in her baby's bottle, considering muslim way of life... but aren't we fighting to protect our way of life? And I can't say American way of life is putting religion or way of life before the individual. Albeit, it may be the American military way of life, but our military is protecting our individual liberties.
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