July 31, 2004
FAHRENCRAP
I just got back from watching
Fahrencrap 9/11 with some friends; the one husband mailed his bootleg copy from Iraq, so we thought we'd give it a look. I thought I'd have a lot to say after I watched it, but I only have three words for Michael Moore. Boring. As. Hell. Seriously, my friend put it best when she said it was like watching one of those videos in middle school where you knew there would be a quiz but you could barely keep your eyes open. Maybe it was because I've already read so much commentary about the movie, but I found myself looking at my watch a lot. There were a few funny bits that kept us going, but that's not saying much; there were funny bits in
Dude, Where's My Car? too, but it ain't winnin' any awards. I can't believe people had to pay money to see this movie.
Oh, and I could've gone my whole life without hearing Michael Moore say "who's your daddy"...
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I told you about it. How mad were you after the movie? I wonder how good the showing went in Crawford, TX?
Posted by: birdie at July 31, 2004 07:30 PM (ohCKH)
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With over a hundred million in revenues so far and the Cannes Film Festival Award for best picture it seems your opinion is pretty marginal.
Posted by: dc at July 31, 2004 11:34 PM (s6c4t)
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I would hardly say that view is marginal. $100 million in revenue is not chump change, but it doesn't mean it is mainstream either. The level of rhetoric surrounding the debunking of the very same movie demonstrates exactly the opposite. In a world where Nobel prizes are given out as political statements I hardly think a Cannes award lends much credibility.
Posted by: John at August 01, 2004 04:27 AM (+Ysxp)
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dc,
Have you seen the movie? It's the worst documentary I've ever seen. And it's as boring as Sarah said it was. I'm gonna pop it in the dvd player when I can't sleep at night.
Posted by: Bush Lover at August 01, 2004 07:54 AM (fUuNr)
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I did see the movie at a sold out theater in Orange County, CA. I heard the audience laugh, I heard the audience cry, I did not hear any yawns, and at the end the audience rose up in a standing ovation. I have never seen that at a movie before.
I thought the movie was a very effective critique of Bush from a very patriotic point of view.
Posted by: dc at August 01, 2004 11:53 AM (s6c4t)
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dc,
I laughed when I read your poetic desription of the experience you had in that sold out Orange County theater. I don't know what movie you and the other loonies were watching, but I'd like whatever drugs you're on. There's nothing patriotic about bashing our commander in chief jack ass.
Posted by: Bush Lover at August 01, 2004 03:06 PM (+ilId)
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bush lover, you are confused. No one owes loyalty to Bush, he is just a politician trying his best to take care of his elite constituency. We owe our loyalty to America and to the American people. Bush is a terrible president and a terrible commander in chief and it is time he was replaced by someone worthy of those roles. If 'bashing bush' accomplished that task then by all means we should bash bush. But Bush does enough damage by his own actions that nothing I or anyone else can do can make him look any worse.
Posted by: dc at August 01, 2004 08:32 PM (s6c4t)
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America is a whole lot larger and more diverse than orange county CA and it is hardly respresentative of the country as a whole. I saw the same reaction you describe at the end of Saving Private Ryan with one audience, stunned silence and respect from a different audience.
Cheering something does not make it the truth, and sipping the kool-aid is bad for your critical thinking skills.
Posted by: John at August 01, 2004 09:40 PM (crTpS)
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It's been a while since Iv'e seen the movie so may be someone can help me out. What did the dead soldier say in his letter to his mother about Bush? Does anyone one remember?
Posted by: dc at August 02, 2004 12:56 PM (s6c4t)
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Why don't you remind us what the dead soldier said dc? You're the one that had the life-changing experience by watching that piece of crap film.
And unfortunately for you, Bush was elected by the majority of people in the US. If that doesn't earn him some respect, I don't know what will. Since you are so hard on Bush, I'd like to know how much fun you'd be having if Saddam were our president.
Posted by: Bush Lover at August 02, 2004 02:47 PM (cM11/)
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"And unfortunately for you, Bush was elected by the majority of people in the US."
Um. No. NO. NO!
Bush was NOT elected by the majority of the United States. He was NOT elected by a PLURALITY of the United States. He was the RUNNER-UP in the popular vote.
The only reason why Bush is occupying the White House is that states like Wyoming (pop. 500K) get 3 electoral votes while states like Connecticut (pop. 3M) get only eight.
So, Bush was the choice neither of a majority, nor a plurality of Americans.
"If that doesn't earn him some respect, I don't know what will."
How about paying something more than lip service to his so-called "compassionate conservatism?" How about not squandering the good will and respect of the rest of the world? How about testifying before the 9/11 commission without having his hand held by his vice-president?
Those would have been nice starters, but too late for that.
Posted by: Can't win at August 02, 2004 08:08 PM (aQOKC)
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Seeing as how Bush Lover apparently slept through the last election, I seriously doubt he/she even knows the difference between a plurality and a majority. But you're right, Bush had neither. So by his/her logic, doesn't that mean we should have even more respect for Gore, since he did? Whaddya say, Bush Lover, give a shoutout to Gore, who deserves your respect for having won a larger share of the popular vote than Bush. I'll hold my breath.
Posted by: Like anyone cares at August 02, 2004 10:51 PM (u+Iyg)
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DC,
If only 8% of the country has seen the movie (and mathematically, fewer liked it) it seems the voices in opposition have a much larger base.
I wonder were you in the service when you heard the words of the "dead" soldier? I have heard the words of dying servicemen in combat.
If you would like to know what they say, I would be happy to educate you.
I don't want an reluctant warrior and opportunist as this country's C-in-C.
Just drop me line anytime you want, DC, I'll tell you all about what men say in combat.
//JCL
USMC '88-'94
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July 26, 2004
MANUAL
My mom let me in on some happenings in P-town: seems one of my high school friends' dads has been voted as principal of a local high school. Big whoop, right? Well, he's white and the high school is predominantly black,
so
Members of the NAACP, Citizens for a Better Peoria and the 'African American Leadership Alliance' held a press conference Friday morning. They say they are concerned about the process by which William Salzman got approved as the new Manual High School principal.
Apparently "local black leaders have complained for months that a core group of board members have discussed district matters in private and without input from the board's two black members." OK. Whitey's getting together in secret and trying to keep the man down. Riiight.
Ross said she's "not one to cry racism" regarding the hiring, but the surprise vote shows a "lack of sensitivity" on the part of some board members.
Lack of sensitivity towards what, exactly? I know I don't know the whole story, but Salzman was already the assistant principal, he received over 100 letters of support from faculty and parents, and the summer is coming to a close and they need a principal.
Why on earth can't a white man effectively principal Manual?
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July 22, 2004
SPITTING
What's with the spitting? I have been known, at the height of my athletic days (read 16 years old), to spit. But to spit
on someone? I'm not sure I could ever do that. (I can barely stand the episode of South Park where the moms are trying to get the kids chicken pox; they make up a game where Kenny spits in Kyle's mouth...ugh.) So how can people
spit on Lance Armstrong? Spitting on someone is the most degrading thing I can think of, and they do this to a man who overcame cancer and is on the way to winning his sixth Tour de France. I'll never understand.
(via Smash)
MORE TO GROK:
And look at this horrible photo.
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Ugh, isn't it terrible? But is it really that surprising? Right off the bat, he's an American, which means they "must" hate him. And then, he is proving what they always suspected (and hated) about the U.S.: that, in almost any way you can think of, Americans are superior.
I don't mean this in a "nyah nyah, we're better" kind of way, I just mean that the American love of freedom and individual achievement allows for Americans to rise to the top of almost any field they attempt.
I hope Mr. Armstrong psyched himself up for this kind of treatment and is capable of transforming
that into more energy to win.
Posted by: Carla at July 22, 2004 10:37 AM (r5M6F)
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i have a handicap brother he can walk and talk he just picked up spitting from some where he spits all over the house all over everything tell me a remedy for this please we have tryed everthing please help me
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I am African American for the time being living in Japan noticed something strange sometimes I encounter older gentlemen who just have to spit when i walk by or sometimes they make that loud sound right behind me and just as they are a few steps in front of me the spit or sometimes if i recognize the face they turn their backs first and then spit trying to find out what gives? have a pretty good Idea but want to know if my idea is correct. any one reading this please reply or send me email. Its not in the travelers guide i checked believe me!!
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July 18, 2004
LORE
This, via Greyhawk, is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while:
I had to pull radio watch in the War Room last night, and somebody left a copy of the April edition of People Magazine there. So on radio watch, I read how Survivors Rob and Amber are in Love, Kelly Osborne is in Rehab, Omaarosa has a suprising past, and how Reese Witherspoon and hubby Ryan Phillippe bought a house in Los Angeles for 4.9 million. And you know what, after reading that magazine, for a split second, I was glad I was here in Iraq, and not back in America.
Hawk talks in the same post about the lore that people spout off as fact, namely that no one is interested in joining the military anymore because of the deployments. I understand that to not be true, even though I've heard several of my students say the same thing. We talk often in our class about avoiding "lore", like Americans are the fattest people on the planet or more black men are in prison than in college. These common-knowledge bullcrap statements are thrown around all the time because people think they could be true and never bother to research them. Same with the enlistment: it seems plausible that people would no longer want to join the military knowing the dangers involved, but it seems that recruitment and retention rates are steady. That article took me ten seconds to find; why don't most people bother to take those ten seconds before they propagate lore?
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Maybe it's a failure of rigorous and critical thinking, with a variety of logical fallacies related to the enumeration of favorable events bolstering deeply held convictions and perceptions that are never examined objectively?
Posted by: Jason at July 18, 2004 09:00 AM (JC8d4)
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It's my experience that what you are kindly calling "lore", Sarah, is really crap. It's crap that is true for them based on their core values--ergo their ego does not allow a reason to research to even "fly by." Often when presented with the real facts ie "Wilson Lied" they still don't get it ie Cleland going ballistic on Bush today--after all he spent hours talking to the man and his opinion is the most important!
Posted by: Pamela Husted at July 20, 2004 04:45 PM (9Clmh)
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uh, if you take a look at your link, the numbers do say that there are more black men in jail than in college.
Posted by: andrew at July 20, 2004 06:38 PM (/VCKQ)
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Andrew, by strict numbers, yes. But comparing the normal age at which men go to college (early 20s) vs the normal age when men are in jail (any possible age) is an unfair comparison...it's skewed.
Posted by: Sarah at July 21, 2004 02:42 AM (CONVd)
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The college population isn't stagnant, there is a lot of turnover, but the same thing is true, especially for drug related crimes, of the prison system. Furthermore, I expect that the vast majority of black men in jail are young, in their 20's. If you want statistics I'll find them. At any rate Sarah, we can break these stats down any way we want, but there is no way around it: that statistic is disturbing as it stands.
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July 17, 2004
FINE LINE
There's a strange fine line you walk when you're a white girl who likes rap music. One of my students was writing his paper on the FCC and he wanted to use Eminem as an example of censorship but couldn't think of a good way to work it in. I quoted him a couple of lines from an Eminem song that I thought he could use, and he looked at me in awe: "You know Eminem?" We then talked at length about different rap albums, he made a couple of recommendations that I haven't heard yet, and we had a nice time. He even dared me to teach class in ebonics and encouraged me to use more slang! It was a pretty funny conversation, but it was nice that I never once got the feeling that I was "stealing his culture", which is the feeling I often get when I express interest in rap. I told him I especially enjoy the music for the language and that I can relate a bit to Nelly's Midwest tales, but I know that I certainly can't relate to many of rap's messages the way that he -- a young black kid from NYC -- can. I would never pretend to.
Which is why what John Kerry did at the NAACP looks especially foolish and freaky to me. You can express respect and admiration without making yourself part of the in-group. You can share common ground, but there is a fine line you need to respect.
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Um, no, those last two photos look more like the Tiger Woods "yessss" gesture. Try again, rfidtag.
Posted by: Sarah at July 17, 2004 01:39 PM (vMhet)
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As someone noted on my blog, that particular gesture of Kerry's is a socialist symbol. I agree that the versions your poster mentioned are
"YES!" gestures. No comparison. One is to stick your arm in the air in a fascist fashion, the other is to pump your arm up and down with your elbow bent. It's more of a sports fan gesture.
What makes Kerry's move significant is he was talking to black people and emulating some old 60s symbol to suggest he was "down" with them. This is a whiter than white rich guy who lives in several mansions and has done diddly for poor people other than, what do you know, champion socialist policies.
Posted by: James Hudnall at July 17, 2004 01:56 PM (FV8Tp)
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Actually, the picture of Bush and Franks is exactly what I was going for...the "pump your arm up and down with your elbow bent...sports fan gesture." is exactly what I meant to point out. Hence the "War President" remark.
See, you tried to frame Kerry's gesture as something done only for the benefit of the NAACP...But the pictures of Kerry giving your the "socialist" salute I googled were from events that both predate and were *not* sponsored by the NAACP. Then I introduce a picture of MLK Jr. using a similar gesture (arm extended straight with a fist), and clearly it is debatable whether he was either militant or a socialist.
Then I presented links to Bush and Franks doing a gesture that I think is a silly display of the Warrior Victorious, an embodiment of the Military/Sports mentality of those figures.
I am glad you understood me.
Posted by: rfidtag at July 17, 2004 02:33 PM (/qocr)
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And I stand by my point. This is where I got the picture:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040715/480/px10407151800
Yes, he WAS at a NAACP even. The fact that NAACP president Kweisi Mfume is standing next to him should be a clue.
The MLK picture is nothing like the Kerry picture. MLK is holding a clenched fist to make a point. He isn't raising it up high like the socialist/fascist salute. (the difference between socialist and fascist salutes is the fascists hand their hand open and flat and the socialists made a fist.)
Posted by: James Hudnall at July 17, 2004 04:09 PM (FV8Tp)
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RECYCLING
Bunker wrote about
recycling the other day, and I was reminded of his post this morning when I saw a news clip on the Pentagon Channel here about a recycling program at Ft Knox (no hit on google though). Apparently they're tearing down some old housing, and they've decided to recycle what they can. People in the area are encouraged to come take cabinets, doors, wood, etc while the buildings are still standing. One man interviewed said that he was using the wood to start a new business -- a campsite for kids -- and that he's saved $35,000 so far in supplies from being able to take wood from the recycled buildings. Ft Knox also has saved over $100,000 in not having to pay to dump the materials. Now THAT is a recycling program I completely support, one that pumps money back into the community.
This morning the AFN News channel was on and on about Martha Stewart. I switched over to the Pentagon Channel and caught their news broadcast instead. Top stories: the tale of a group of MPs in Iraq who are transferring duties over to the Iraqi police, the birthday of the Army Rangers, and the recycling program at Ft Knox. Much more interesting, in my opinion, than Martha Stewart.
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Reusing is far more effective than recycling.
Posted by: Mike at July 17, 2004 04:21 PM (tJNpU)
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The recycling program at Ft. Knox is a great idea but not an ideal situation in which to live. The way families in these areas are left to live in very close proximity with half torn buildings for an extended period of time is very dangerous for children. Broken glass inside and out, missing doors and windows, stair wells ripped out, and chunks of sheetrock laying about in an open building sometimes just a couple feet from your front yard where children play is a hassle. If I wasn't stressing about my own little ones wandering off into the building next to me while I ran to pee, I was running off older unattended children playing around and in them. I felt like I could never relax for one second. I even had people coming to collect doors drive their truck through my front yard where my 2 and 3 yr old daughters were playing....looking at us like WE were in THEIR way. This program on Ft. Knox is a terrific idea, but one that needs a little more tweaking I think
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July 16, 2004
MINORITY
California education chief calls preschooler 'stupid dirty girl'. See also Anger, Boiling over. (via
Allahpundit)
The California State Education Secretary made fun of a little girl's name. The NAACP got involved, saying it never would've happened if the girl were white. Um, the girl is white. And when the NAACP figured that out, they said
"Race is not a factor in this issue," Dymally said in Thursday's statement, adding that Riordan had apologized a second time. "It is time for us to move on."
So the State Education Secretary makes fun of a six year old, and it's no big deal, as long as she's not a minority. For the love of pete.
Reminds me of a story back in high school. Our teacher was calling roll on the first day and came to our Indian friend's name, which she proceeded to make fun of, saying it sounded like the noise you make when you sneeze. He was a little taken aback, but retorted with the funny quip, "Well, at least I'm not a Pollack," since her name was obviously Polish. He was kicked out of class and sent to the Dean. As he got up and walked out of class, he said, in a calm tone I'll never forget, "But you sneezed my name."
Come to think of it, those two stories aren't that related. Well, except that they both involve jackasses.
MORE TO GROK:
My bad: Dymally is not associated with the NAACP. They made ridiculous errors and bad judgement calls independent from one another.
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You think Michael Moore is bad...you realize that Assemblyman Mervyn Dymally, D-Compton is *not* the NAACP right?
I like your writing style.
Posted by: rfidtag at July 16, 2004 10:55 AM (XxIKf)
Posted by: Sarah at July 17, 2004 02:07 AM (5TFbW)
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"I had crossed the line. I was free; but there was no one to welcome me to the land of freedom. I was a stranger in a strange land." -- Harriet Tubman
I think it is fascinating that in Stranger in an Strange Land, Robert Heinlein was promoting equality of the sexes, racial equality, and sexual freedom...And here on a site called "Trying to Grok" you are giving me a link to a man named Francis W. Porretto whos is saying that a Martian (our President) would realize the *Truth*:
What are those realities?
All men are not equally strong.
Neither are all nations.
All men are not equally moral.
Neither are all nations.
To treat a weak adversary as if he were as strong as you is to hobble your own powers for no good reason.
To treat an immoral adversary as your moral equal is to hand him a weapon he can use against you -- and he will use it, without restraint or scruple.
These facts would be obvious to a man from Mars -- but how many generations of American politicians have behaved as if their opposites were true?
I wonder if Robert Heinlein would agree?
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July 12, 2004
CLASS
My class this weekend was pretty good. We all thought it would focus on the current terrorist events, but instead the prof mostly lectured about terrorism in the 70s and 80s. It was interesting because I didn't know that much about pre-9/11 terrorism, and it helped me gain better perspective on terrorism as a whole. I appreciated the experience.
And I loved being in class with Soldiers. A long while back I wrote about a professor who was using his class time to discuss his anti-war views, and I thought that active duty soldier students shouldn't have to be exposed to that in a class the military is paying for. However, after this weekend, I trust that Soldiers can hold their own. There were several students who actively challenged the prof when he said things they disagreed with, and there were also two clowns in the back row who were calling bullshit under their breath and mumbling quips about making parking lots. When the prof said things that we didn't agree with -- that Europe's position on the death penalty is much more enlightened than the US's, that al-Qaeda was nothing to be worried about, that we should understand the root causes of the Palestinians' beef -- there was always a hand in the air to voice an opinion. Even though the prof knew his stuff, none of the students simply took his more opinionated statements at face value.
Bunker's back in the building with a great post about the relationship between government and society. There was an interesting, and tangential, moment in class when the prof said that the US was no better than Iran or China for having the death penalty, and that even though roughly 85% of the population supports it, a civilized society would not allow it. He pointed to Europe as being more modern and classy for having banned the death penalty. I went home that night and checked on the stats; I found that support is declining in the US but rising in Europe. (Here's another interesting site.) I just don't see how abolishing something that anywhere from 50 to 70% of people support is a sign of civilization or modernity. Why should a government say, "We know you want this, but we don't think you're capable of making such a grown-up decision so we're just going to decide for you"?
Another thing that came up in class was the "America has no culture" meme. The "American culture is nothing but Coke and Nike and Big Macs" crap. And then the prof said that American culture is no different than European culture. I strongly disagree. (Den Beste's said it all before; see here and here and here and here. And many other places too.) The many problems we're facing today vis a vis alliances and the UN are a direct result of the widening gap between cultures. We're not, as one student jokingly said, "not good enough to be British." We do indeed have a culture that goes beyond Supersize. Just ask Abkow Edow and Madina Idle.
All in all a good experience. Some bits I disagreed with, but for the most part the prof did a good job of just reporting the facts, which is hard to come by in education today.
MORE TO GROK:
David of Rishon Rishon points out two posts on the difference between American and European culture: The Freeholders and Happy Independence Day, USA.
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Hi Sarah!
"American culture is no different than European culture"
I also think European and American culture are very different. What do you think of
this or
this?
Posted by: David Boxenhorn at July 12, 2004 07:58 AM (C3hAo)
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Hey, Sarah--
Those clowns weren't mumbling; they were "sneezing"!
Good to hear that "dumb grunts" can hold their own with sofistecumated perfessers. (I ain't never got no ejucashun--I wuz just a dumb ol' sailor.)
Really, though, today's American Soldier (deliberately cap'ed) is much better informed, and much more passionate vis-a-vis what he is protecting than ever before. Our nation's Citizen Soldiers, both active and reserve, (and I include Airmen, Marines, Sailors, as well as Coast Guardsmen) are the finest, most decent in human history. I thank them all for their commitment to "duty, honor, country". And Ithank all the Sarahs, Tims, and other loved ones who sent their Soldiers into harm's way.
As they tapped to each other in the Hanoi Hilton, "GBY" (God Bless You).
Jim
P.S.--
Noticed Capt Patti is back in Germany; when does yours come home?
Posted by: Jim Shawley at July 12, 2004 03:44 PM (DNY/X)
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Jim, not for a while! We hit Month Five this week, so he's slated to be home next March...if all goes according to plan.
Posted by: Sarah at July 12, 2004 04:01 PM (yObyZ)
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Gosh, Sarah. I'm hitting month five shortly, too, and even with the Marines' shorter deployment times, I feel like it's about freakin' time for Alex to be coming home (maybe in part because he just admitted last week that he'd like some time off).
Well, don't I feel like a whiney baby compared to you (gosh, and Tim!). You're awfully brave.
I just find it hard to reconcile my immediate, personal need, with how I feel rationally about the importance of the mission. Then again, from last time I learned that there are psychological phases for those of us in the rear during the deployment, and this is just one of them.
Still, I think you're handling it better than I. Thanks for being such a good example.
Posted by: Carla at July 13, 2004 02:45 AM (r5M6F)
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July 07, 2004
RIDDLE
Q: What weighs the same as a
rhinoceros but is missing from the homepages of the major news sites?
A: The uranium found in Iraq
RIDDLE #2:
Q. What is the appropriate response to the UN when they whine we didn't ask permission to transport uranium that could be used for dirty bombs?
A. The same response the American delegate made at the UN in South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut when the Canadians condemned the actions taken by American in apprehending Terrance and Phillip.
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Since the administration gave the announcement to the lowly Energy Secretary (instead of having Rumsfeld or Bush crow about it), and it is low grade uranium, it seems that the administration is not even trying to pretend this is "WMD" evidence.
Posted by: bos at July 07, 2004 08:27 AM (WJFwN)
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there are many industrial and medical uses for radiological material. It can also be used in "dirty bombs" but this stuff is not uranium as you suggest.
Posted by: dave at July 07, 2004 09:40 PM (B1FWn)
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