July 04, 2009
AMALGAM
I'm trying not to get ahead of myself and look forward to
this right now, but I am looking forward to it
someday:
One of the best things about parenting? Getting to do things twice, and
seeing things from entirely different perspective, you get to see tiny
people learn to walk, talk, run, swim, ride bikes, you get to jump on a
trampoline, and shoot your kids high in the air, and laugh until you
cry...
and you get 3 hours of rabbit jokes...most of them bad
I want to be an amalgam of all my friends' parenting styles...
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Don't forget the poop. You get lots of poop, too.
And vomit.
And first discoveries of the words for genitalia, when my son kept asking people (including a Colonel's wife) if they had a penis.
Posted by: airforcewife at July 04, 2009 11:11 AM (CDkfD)
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knock, knock,
who's there
banana
banana who
knock, knock
who's there
banana
banana who
knock, knock
who's there
orange
orange who
orange you glad I didn't say banana again
486,312 times a day, every day until they learn:
knock, knock
whos there
dewayne
dewayne who
dewayne the bathtub, I'm dewowning.
repeat some version of bad jokes until child quits speaking to you at onset of puberty.
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June 27, 2009
CHARLIE WANTS A BABY
When Charlie was acting all depressed, he trudged out of our room like Eeyore. "Where are you going?" I asked him. "What's wrong." My husband followed him and then chuckled. "Oh, I get it, Charlie is sad because he wants a baby."
Yes, that's our spare bedroom. Yes, it's looked like that for over a year. Yes, it's absurd. But leaving it up seemed less weird to me than taking it all down and leaving the room completely empty. (OK,
mildly less weird. Also I'm just lazy.)
But apparently what Charlie wants, Charlie gets. After a week of doing everything wrong -- lots of booze, sitting in hot tubs, eating sushi, taking large doses of NyQuil -- it turns out that I am pregnant again.
We laughed that this is our "unplanned" pregnancy. My friend's mother, an OB nurse, asked me what my doctor's plan was now. Plan? There isn't one this time around! This was our Hail Mary. This was me looking at my husband one night and saying, "We could try this and potentially save $12,000...whaddya think?" and then completely putting it out of my head because, seriously, neither of us thought it would work.
I took a pregnancy test to confirm that I was
not pregnant, before I contacted the IVF doctor to get my PGD bloodwork started.
I took a second one because I didn't believe the result of the first one.
We have no plan. I ran and hurried to take a prenatal vitamin because, let's face it, after two and a half unsuccessful years I had gotten pretty lax about remembering to do that.
Anyway, I'm just putting it out here because, well, this is where I cash chips.
I told my husband that my feelings about the miracle of life have actually regressed, gotten creepier. I was always a life-starts-at-conception person. And now, now I feel like we have to wait around and see if this
becomes a baby. It has a 50% chance of being a baby or a 50% chance of being...a lump of mutated cells. I hate that this is what this process has done to me, that it's made me detach myself so much. That I'm like some gross abortion advocate who only sees a lump of cells. But that's where I'm at these days. It doesn't
become a baby until it has a heartbeat. And even then...Baby #2 had one of those...
I'm just hanging back for the next three weeks or so. Hey, three weeks, that's when my husband deploys. How convenient.
So one of two things will happen. 1) This will be a baby, in which case my husband will already be deployed by the time a heartbeat can be detected and will still be deployed when the baby is born. What marvelous timing. Or 2) It will be a lump of cells, in which case there will be no heartbeat, I will take care of business because I am now a pro at miscarriage, and then I will start the bloodwork for the PGD and proceed as planned, only a month or two behind schedule.
Either way, whatever.
I know no one knows how to react to this news. I told AWTM over the phone and her reaction was like "Um, yay?, er, right? Hooray! er..." so I just decided to put it here instead. If you don't read my blog, I'm not telling you.
You can feel however you want about the news. I'd prefer if you didn't get
too excited, or tell me that the fourth time's a charm or something. But happy's OK. And hopeful is good too. (Note: Do not tell me that this happened because I "relaxed" or I will ban you from my blog. Or I would if I knew how to do that. Even though this is our "unplanned" pregnancy, there was nothing haphazard about it. The day was specifically chosen to maximize success. We just didn't plan for it to work. Hence the booze and hot tubs. This is as close to a whoopsie as the Groks can get.)
At this point, I don't know if I'll talk about it anymore, at least not until Heartbeat Week. Not until I know anything for certain.
But let's see if we can get Charlie that baby he wants...
Actually, I'm pretty sure Charlie just wants to play with all the baby's toys.
And my husband says that if this baby lives, he wants to name it John Elway. (Now that's a bit of guy trivia that I didn't get: three Superbowl losses before a win.) AWTM says we should name it Bellagio if it's a girl. We got jokes.
My husband says he just really doesn't want a Jim Kelly baby.
(How does that man remember how many Super Bowls every quarterback lost but can't remember where anything is located in our kitchen?)
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I am clicking with the nonplussed thing now. So there is that. ;-)
I have happiness and hope. But stuff for the other side too.
This totally made me smile at any rate.
It would be super fantastic nice. And for this time when the scales aren't tipping noticeably either way, I'll be practicing some jedi mind tricks for it to go the way I want it to.
Posted by: wifeunit at June 27, 2009 03:08 PM (LXXeU)
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Maybe baby's got plans for that $12,000 and so figured he/she better show up quick before you spend it
I know you've mixed emotions - I get it, but I'm still excited that you have this chance. I'll be following along and hoping for all the best for you!
Posted by: rc at June 27, 2009 04:01 PM (89qJF)
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Believe you me you do not want a Jim Kelly baby...
Er...uh HIP HIP HOORAY!
Posted by: awtm at June 27, 2009 04:37 PM (NuDbL)
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Wishing you luck. *fingers crossed*
Posted by: The Army Wife at June 27, 2009 04:56 PM (wB597)
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I wish you luck. fingers Xed.
LAW
Posted by: LAW at June 27, 2009 04:58 PM (eBMwP)
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I'm just shaking my head and laughing. You can't make this stuff up. I'm hopeful, but I'll be praying, if that's ok with you.
Posted by: dutchgirl at June 27, 2009 06:23 PM (hLAkQ)
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fingers crossed - hoping for the absolute best.
Posted by: sharona at June 27, 2009 07:11 PM (BeRta)
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Long time lurker ... first time
caller commenter.
I'm happy and hopeful for you and your husband.
Posted by: Heather at June 27, 2009 08:54 PM (E/7hG)
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Wow. Well, fingers crossed and hoping going on.
Posted by: airforcewife at June 27, 2009 09:08 PM (NqbuI)
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Some pretty stupendous kids got their start being 'marinated', so I will remain cautiously optimistic with your news and I feel where you are coming from.
You are welcome to dial my number and cash chips like a crazy person.
Posted by: Guard Wife at June 27, 2009 10:50 PM (UIGsI)
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you know, I have been thinking about this, do you suppose Charile thought you went to get a baby?
Posted by: awtm at June 27, 2009 11:05 PM (NuDbL)
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Sarah, someday you've gotta tell Charlie the truth. "Charlie, I know you want a baby, but you can't have one. You're a male!" And then he'll look like
this, though he won't be bad ... just sad.
Don't let him watch
this movie. It might give him ideas.
Seriously, count me on the hope bandwagon.
Posted by: Amritas at June 27, 2009 11:56 PM (2eQQr)
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I'll be cautiously hopeful for you, and keep you in my prayers.
Posted by: Miss Ladybug at June 28, 2009 12:19 AM (paOhf)
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Wow. I'm both hopeful and worried at the same time. In fact, I'm so full of hope I'm almost changey.
Praying so hard for you!
Posted by: FbL at June 28, 2009 12:38 AM (HwqvF)
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Hopeful, ever hopeful. Steady on.
Posted by: Pamela at June 28, 2009 12:51 AM (jV2Nw)
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Happy and hopeful for you and your husband, and Charlie. Maybe this will make Charlie cheer up.
The room reminds me of our baby room that we had decorated for 4 years before it was needed. I had the same dilemma about changing the room or leaving it ready for a baby. I pray that your room is in use soon.
Posted by: Susan at June 28, 2009 02:58 AM (Y8ZGj)
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At this point, we need to petition congress to pass a resolution stating that you are now pregnant, and will stay pregnant through term, including a 3-week overdue delivery. Because they'll pass any legislation they can't actually enforce.
We just need to figure out how to tax your uterus and they'd be all over it. (Pun not intended. Bawney Fwank would most certainly not be all over your uterus for any reason.)
No pork comments either.
And the more I think about it, centripetal forces at pole position may have had some effect. (Pun only partially intended.)
In any case, I am happy for you and just as excited as I am every time, just as hopeful for success, and just as worried. That is, "just as" being relative to how I feel, not comparing my feelings on the issue to how you feel.
Feet and knees together now.
Posted by: Chuck at June 28, 2009 06:04 AM (r6BDb)
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OMG...just..OMG. Stunned,but with you come what may.
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Posted by: David Boxenhorn at June 28, 2009 09:07 AM (0Zrfb)
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I'm a long time lurker in the "hoping Charlie gets what he wants" camp.
I'm happy, hopeful, and praying for you, the often deployed hubs, and the perpetual puppy.
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I have to add that every time I see Charlie in that picture I totally crack up. For some reason that picture sets off the giggles in me, I can't figure it out. I think it is the lion hair-do he has.
Posted by: airforcewife at June 28, 2009 12:04 PM (NqbuI)
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Full of hope and cautious optimism - with prayers for good measure. And with you, at least in spirit, the whole way through.
Hugs to you and the hubby, and scritches to Charlie.
Posted by: jck at June 28, 2009 12:07 PM (d6k/G)
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I'll be crossing my fingers and hoping hard for you.
Posted by: Leofwende at June 28, 2009 01:45 PM (28CBm)
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Oh, my gosh, I get slack for one day, and this!
Happy and excited, and praying. And possibly standing on my head in the garden. (It worked for AFW's MIL's house...)
Posted by: She of the Sea at June 28, 2009 06:42 PM (J1l7A)
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Hope and prayers being sent your way...
Posted by: Mrs. Who at June 28, 2009 09:41 PM (S5QVM)
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Since I am a bit obsessed with your journey and since I too expect to one day have similar results from some sorta unplanned bizzarely normal yet, for you and I, very unnormal circumstances .... lemme say this: You totally Grok'd it.
Makes sense don't it? {wink}
Pat Charlie on the head for me. And give MrGrok a wink nudge.
We all must meet face to face sometime. Oh the stories we could share!
Posted by: Darla at June 29, 2009 12:07 AM (LP4DK)
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Ha, Darla, you nailed it. I had sex when I was ovulating and it made me pregnant. Which took me completely by surprise. Heh.
Posted by: Sarah at June 29, 2009 06:34 AM (TWet1)
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I will add my hopefulness to the others, plus I wanted to say that this post made me laugh-out-loud despite the serious subject matter. I love when you do the sarcastic dry humor thing, because you totally nail it.
Posted by: loquita at June 29, 2009 09:18 AM (4gstU)
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I am staying with hopeful. The way this happened is quite different from the other times. Maybe you had to do everything wrong lol. I think that was your point at least. Go on ahead and ride a roller coaster while you're at it.
Ok, I could give a hoot about football but somehow even I knew that reference. That scares me a little. Love da jokes, Sarah.
I understand the detachment, at least in the sense I get your logic. I think I'd feel the same way in your shoes. My friend who is pregnant now didn't truly believe she was until the heartbeat. Refused to tell anyone but me for a while. And didn't think about the baby at all until she found out the sex. She had quite a baby bump and wouldn't even talk about it. Sometimes things just don't feel real for people, and it all depends on what is comfortable for that person.
Good luck, and I'm hopeful that this time is successful.
Posted by: Sara at June 29, 2009 10:36 AM (uG01M)
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Quietly happy and hopeful... :-) Makes sense to me. Sending prayers, too. Also hugs. :-)
Posted by: Krista at June 29, 2009 11:07 AM (5XpA4)
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Wow, that is probably more a stunner to you than anyone else. Like everyone who reads you, I am very hopeful for you. Life is just full of surprises and some of them turn out to be very good.
I hate to tell you this but this same thing happened to my neighbors who never expected to get pregnant, had been married 15 years and WENT TO VEGAS (for a convention) and came back pregnant. Well, don't know where you were when it happened, but it happened and it's about time for you to beat the odds. That's my take anyway.
Posted by: Ruth H at June 29, 2009 02:06 PM (4u82p)
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Here's hoping! I'm trying to imagine the look on your face when you saw the positive test.
Posted by: Mare at June 30, 2009 07:36 AM (HUa8I)
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So I'm a little slow on the uptake - it's been a long month. I will remain hopefully happy for you and say many prayers that, in about 9 months you are miserably overdue.
I like Chuck's ideas - made me laugh.
Posted by: HomefrontSix at June 30, 2009 12:30 PM (7Qxzl)
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Ditto to all~
YAY! I am very happy to hear this news!
Posted by: Allicadem at June 30, 2009 09:18 PM (U0Sq0)
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Huzzah! That's
awesome. Funny how things sometimes happen like that.
I'm sending good thoughts your way.
Posted by: Adam at July 01, 2009 06:33 AM (hcSzf)
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I was going to write something better, but...I understand the need to be detached. It took a long time for Greg and I to stop saying "if all goes right" with the last pregnancy and actually talking about a future. So, I am sending you good thoughts.
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June 26, 2009
FULLY CONVINCED?
When you don't have children, you spend a lot of time convincing yourself of all the silver linings about not having children. For example, you can go to Vegas for a week and watch naughty shows and do whatever you want. And when you're sick, as I have been since we got home, you can sleep until 9:00 and take naps in the afternoon and remind yourself that it would be so much worse to be sick and have to take care of children.
And I've done such a darned good job of convincing myself of all the silver linings that I am afraid I might have trouble switching my brain back someday...
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Last time we were down here, my 4 year old daughter came into the room and woke us up.
"I feel like I am sick in my tummy."
(She'd been a hypochondriac for a few months)
"Fine. Go ahead and throw up."
We'd just gotten in the night prior, after driving from KS to PA, staying in a hotel for a week with the kids while house hunting, and generally being driven nuts by both of them for the last two weeks. We were
tired.
The next thing we hear: the sound of a little girl retching on the carpet, right where she stood.
Nothing like being dog-tired and having to get out of bed and clean up vomit.
Posted by: Chuck at June 26, 2009 11:31 AM (aY7Ir)
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I do the exact same thing about having just one child instead of two (or three, or whatever). As far as going from none to one, for me it so quickly became the new normal that the old life seems like it belonged to someone else.
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June 05, 2009
LUDICROUS
Mary Katharine Ham wrote an article about
oversharing online. Guilty as charged. The thoughts in
my previous post were weeks in the making, but they prompted people to check on me and make sure I'm not depressed. For the record, I'm fine. I am so burnt out on the whole issue that it mostly doesn't register as sadness anymore. The fact that I have a baby stroller, a dresser full of baby and maternity clothes, and a even most of a nursery set up, complete with crib filled with handmade stuffed animals, is no longer sad to me; it's just absurd. It's so ludicrous I can't begin to be sad over it anymore. It makes me laugh. When we go to sell our house, that spare bedroom will be a nursery whether we have a baby or not. I don't care who you are, that's funny.
So really, I'm not even thinking about this anymore. The IVF is less concrete than the dentist visit I have scheduled for September. I don't want to do it, so I have pushed it out of my mind. I haven't even called the doctor back in over a week. Don't care. I'm done thinking about it.
But I still like laughing at the Johnny Jump Up in my garage.
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You schedule your dentist visits months in advance!? Knowing you, you probably made an appointment back in September 2008.
Oh, and there should be no guilt if there's no crime. I can see you raising your hand and saying what Ham wrote,
"I make a conscious decision to broadcast my life every day, and I accept the consequences."
Big Brother's not going to bail you out if you truly overshare.
Posted by: Amritas at June 05, 2009 07:43 AM (b3Ptv)
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I had a closet full of baby clothes myself, long before M1 came along. I'm sure you are prudently gender neutral in your selections. I, however, was convinced if I ever had a baby, it would be a boy so that's ALL I had hanging in that closet.
Everyone is absurd.
Maybe that's why I like you so much?
At any rate, it's your blog. Share what you wish. As for MKH, well, that's a post in itself!
Posted by: Guard Wife at June 05, 2009 07:51 AM (qk9Ip)
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Guard wife is right, we are all absurd. We aren't all sharing it because we are wimps. You aren't a wimp. If there had been blogs when I was your age there is no telling what I might have shared, or might not! I think we are in some way living vicariously with the blogs we read. I feel very close to some of the people I read. I guess it's my feeling that great minds think alike, or maybe just voyeurism. Right now I can ONLY read on the computer so keep all the posts coming. I won't be getting new glasses till my eye checkup on the 18th. Then I have the other cataract done on the 30th, I hope. Till then just keep sharing all you can and keep me entertained. Thanks;D
Posted by: Ruth H at June 05, 2009 04:32 PM (4eLhB)
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Interesting article. What social networking (and blogging) say about ourselves and our society fascinates me. I have been going rounds in my own head about what value blogging has for my own life lately, and I keep coming back to what Ruth touched on... I definitely do some living vicariously through blogs I read. And they also help me to feel less alone, reading about the commonality of this absurd human existence. But there is no doubt in my mind that it's nearly impossible not to "overshare" in some way.
I had lots of baby stuff too before my daughter was conceived that was both treasured and a source of heartache. Some days it was all I could do to not set it on fire in a fit of rage.
Posted by: dutchgirl at June 06, 2009 11:58 AM (2mwTw)
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Ruth, you too are sharing by commenting. Commenters are as much as part of the blogosphere as bloggers. Sarah has attracted a good bunch of people. I'm here for them - including you - as well as Sarah herself.
I've only met a couple of bloggers in real life - Sarah and my blogparent
James Hudnall - but I came to know them so well that our first meetings felt like we were picking up where we had left off online. This is not to say that imaginary and real life are wholly interchangeable. On the contrary, it was amazing to feel the positive energy that Sarah radiates in person without any high-tech filtration.
dutchgirl, I wonder how much of society is touched by blogging. Many people I know are bloggers or at least blog readers and most people I know are involved in online social networking, but there are still many people who are outside this virtual realm and who may never enter it because they don't (or can't) read. So I wonder what social networking and blogging says about us sharers as opposed to the nonsharers.
And not every social networker is much of a sharer - how many MySpace pages contain only the barest information? How many actually blog every single day, as Guard Wife has been doing lately? Why do some share more than others? You can learn a lot more about Sarah from her blog than you can learn about me from
mine.
There aren't any simple answers to that last question because blogs are mirrors of us, and people are complicated. We've all got our reasons. The reasons we tell others. The reasons we keep to ourselves. The real reasons we'd rather deny. What a messy species we are.
Yes, blog readers can be voyeurs. But seeing the messes of others, seeing how others cope with them, even triumph over them, can help us deal with our own messes. Personal blogs at their best give us perspective.
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June 04, 2009
ONLY SLIGHTLY BIZARRELY UNLUCKY
CaliValleyBoy's first birthday is this weekend, and it's a sad reminder of my own fate. If our first baby had lived, that baby would also be celebrating a first birthday soon. I imagine we would already be thinking about trying for Baby #2 in that
alternate reality.
We would have a one-year-old child instead of a vial of frozen sperm and a prayer.
Yesterday I stumbled across the first post I wrote about
preparing for baby:
Of course, anyone who knows me well is probably laughing, because they know there's no way on earth I'll get pregnant until I've read both books cover to cover and used different highlighters to color-code important information within. My husband and I are the ultimate planners. We spent months researching the type of dog we wanted, for pete's sake. My husband did so much research on our Mazda5 that he knew more about it than the salesman (an advantage which helped him get it at invoice). Right now he's been spending all his free time making intricate spreadsheets comparing different mortgages and the time value of our money to see how we can save $300 over the next five years. We're pretty intense people when it comes to Decisions That Affect Our Future, but heck, we even consult Consumer Reports to decide which dishwasher soap to buy. So while it might've seemed funny to the girls at Goodwill, those who know us aren't shocked that I bought pregnancy books for the baby we'll probably have in 2008.
"The baby we'll probably have in 2008." Sniff.
I had a bit of a freak-out on Facebook the other day when I was hit yet again with how
frozen in time I am. Back in early 2007, one of
those darling boys from middle school passed through town and met me for dinner. He was thrilled about his new son and wanted his wife to start trying for another baby right away. She was resisting. I had just started trying too, and he said it was the greatest thing in the whole world. He wanted another one right away, but he was losing the debate.
It seems like he finally triumphed, because his wife just had their second baby. And that conversation came flooding back to me: his life has moved forward and mine has not.
I got interviewed this week for an article in a local paper about prenatal genetic screening. The writer said I sound remarkably upbeat and positive and full of perspective. And I am like that, most of the time, at least outwardly. But other days I threaten to set everyone else on fire.
At least I'm not
one of these people.
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As I've told you before, I know exactly what you mean about feeling like your life in on hold. There are things I haven't done because I've been waiting for that first teaching job, which might just take me away from Austin, so I hadn't made much effort to create a social life I might have to leave behind (initially thinking it would just be a matter of months between graduating and that first - now-elusive - teaching job). I'm giving it one last try, this current teacher hiring season, but I'm also having to think "what do I do if I DON'T get a job again this year?". I can't afford - literally and figuratively - to continue like this for another school year. If it turns out I don't get a teaching job, I'm going to feel like I've wasted the last four years of my life and about twenty grand...
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May 15, 2009
FROM CRUSHINGLY DOWN TO RELATIVELY ASSUAGED
When I
first found out about my balanced translocation, I was so happy to have a reason. I felt this weight lifted, that now I finally knew why I was doomed to so much sadness. I was happy knowing that there was a plan and a way to solve our problem.
But today reality set in, and I feel despair.
I met with the doctor today to discuss IVF. As usual, this man channels my inner
Mrs. White. And I left in a daze, not knowing whether I was more disturbed by the flames on the side of my face or by the lump forming in my throat.
Call me naive, but this process is going to cost
far more than I anticipated.
All my initial ballpark figures I'd been working with, supplied by people who've done this here in town before and the genetics counselor, well...they
doubled today. The PGD that I was told would be around $2000? Nope, it's $5000. Oh, and we have to pay to freeze sperm, since my husband will be deployed. And then we have to pay for the more expensive, extra special IVF that they have to do with frozen sperm. The numbers that I had in my mind of how much all this would cost was
half of what it really will cost. And that's even with the sizable discount we're getting because we will be using a military doctor.
And that's
per month.
The sick thing is, we have the money. We could pay cash tomorrow for this and not really blink (especially in this absurd economy, where money ain't worth the paper it's printed on). But that's the rub that makes the choice kinda rough.
The local clinic said that they've never had anyone do PGD. The receptionist said that the pricetag scares people away, so no one has ever taken them up on it. And if we didn't have the money either, we would have to resort to good old trial and error: keep on babymaking at home and hoping that we
flip heads instead of tails one month. The choice would be made for us by the fact that we had no option to do the expensive treatment.
But it's a bit harder to
have that choice to make. It's hard to know that you could just keep flipping that coin for free and eventually end up with a baby, and conversely to know that we could spend many thousands of dollars and still end up with nothing. There are so many ways this hinges on luck. The doctor said that he could probably get 15-20 eggs from me. He said usually about 80% will fertilize. So on the low end, that means 12. Statistically speaking, half my eggs should be duds, so if we could get six good ones, we'd do the first try with three. If we get pregnant, hooray. If we don't, we have three back-ups to try again another month (at a decent-sized repeat fee, of course).
But that's
statistically speaking. Of all the eggs I was born with, half should be good. But all those eggs is a far bigger sample size than what they can extract. Heck, we've already flipped three tails in a row. A small sample size of 15 eggs is not necessarily going to break down 50/50, just like 15 coin tosses won't either. (To illustrate: my father is one of 13 children, 7 girls and 6 boys. But I also know of another 13-child family with 12 boys and 1 girl.)
What if we only get one good egg? And what if it doesn't take? What if we spend all this money and come out with nothing in the end? Could I live with that?
Could I live with not trying for it in the first place?
My husband got home from training while I was writing this post. I hurredly
cashed today's chips and told him how stressed I was about the whole thing. My husband, the stingiest man on the planet, waved off concerns of money and said resolutely that we are going to go through with this.
Oh, but we can't even begin to get these ducks in a row until at least September. So I had asked the doctor about babymaking at home for the two months until my husband deploys. I asked: if we got pregnant and we had another miscarriage, would that prevent us from going ahead in September? It shouldn't.
So I asked my husband if he wanted to try to take the cheap way out, if he wanted to take another gamble at home and try for a healthy baby the old-fashioned way, to see if we could get away with not spending those many thousands of dollars. He vehemently declared that he is
done with babymaking at home and does not want to spend our last weeks together fussing over basal thermometers and pregnancy tests.
My husband managed to take the edge off over this whole thing. I feel much less panicked now than I did when I sat down to start this post two hours ago. (He also said he doesn't want me stressing our for the next few months each time I want to buy a ball of yarn either, because he is the most fantastic husband on the planet.)
So I guess we're going to do this. I think. My husband said, "We paid $500 for that ol' dog, and look how much joy he brings us. The baby will be even better."
Someone with kids assure me that a child is 24 times better than a dog...
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Lols...I am soooo cracking up at your DH's comment about Charlie costing $500, and bringing you so much joy.
You have a great partner, and I am glad that you two are co-navigating your way down this difficult road together....when you feel you may have lost your way, he brings you back on track. Good stuff.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at May 15, 2009 02:38 PM (irIko)
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Sweet Jesus, YES! Babies and children are WAYYYY better than dogs. Trust the woman who has a 70-pound chocolate lab who has started counter surfing since the man of the house deployed.
Dogs are great, they really are. And, before I had M1 I literally thought I couldn't love a little person as much as I loved Oscar and then she came and that was that.
I, for one, think your husband has made a good argument & you should go with his gut.
Posted by: Guard Wife at May 15, 2009 02:54 PM (qk9Ip)
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At least 240times better. Maybe 2400 times better. And I love my dog. When I sent Christmas cards, he was the decoration, Santa hat and all.
It's a gamble and that's the hard part, imagining your future pissed-offedness should it not work. But so worth it.
Glad he took it in stride. Hugs.
Posted by: Lane at May 15, 2009 03:22 PM (W+Nqs)
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I've had dogs (and cats, and ferrets, and fish) and I've loved them all.
And I have children.
Even if my children had cost $500,000 they'd bring infinitely more joy than a dog.
This theoretical (at the moment) baby will be worth every single penny you spend on him/her. Before conception and after.
I still say we should hold some kind of internet fundraiser...
Posted by: HomefrontSix at May 15, 2009 03:49 PM (dhK7i)
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I am just so tickled by your husband. He really knows what to say and when to say it. God bless him.
A lot of people who have no problems wait till they can "afford" them. And still they can't. If I had waited till then, I would have no children. I had a hysterectomy at age 31. The cost is not the important thing, unless you don't have it. You do. Go for it.
Posted by: Ruth H at May 15, 2009 04:19 PM (hBAQy)
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Money is nice. Babies are better. Money can be comforting. Children are joy. You can't take money with you. Children are a part of you that will continue.... You guys are awesome! If you didn't do it, you'd always wonder.... It's just money.
Posted by: Allison at May 15, 2009 07:09 PM (Ef9hL)
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Looks like you both have been stingy for a reason....that is a blessing in disguise. You have gone without so much I know....
but a child....
they will draw pictures of cows pooping, and keep hair in a drawer so one day they can study their own DNA.
If you do not go ahead with this, you will not be able to live with yourself.
Posted by: awtm at May 15, 2009 07:17 PM (XHw5F)
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And when the kid turns teen and surly won't do their homework, you can threaten to take him back because you kept the receipt.
Posted by: deskmerc at May 16, 2009 01:37 AM (pYOXQ)
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Sounds like you guys are making the best decision for the two of you. I'm so happy to hear it, and I'm keeping fingers crossed for you!!
Posted by: Courtney at May 16, 2009 04:46 AM (iYaQi)
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Your husband is awesome - seriously. His comparison is too great!
Posted by: airforcewife at May 16, 2009 08:05 AM (NqbuI)
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I am excited about your decision to move forward with this! It will be filled with chance and luck and who knows how it will play out, but we will hope for nine months from some future date you'll be welcoming a healthy child into the world. Or as close to nine months as said healthy child feels like incubating for should you have some people's luck. ;-)
Good luck with getting the ducks lined up and I'm hoping you guys make short work out of it...
Posted by: wifeunit at May 16, 2009 04:37 PM (t5K2U)
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My husband said, "We paid $500 for that ol' dog, and look how much joy he brings us. The baby will be even better."
You have an awesome husband, and I'm so glad! What a funny, perfect, wonderful, loving thing to say under the circumstances. I'm so glad you two have each other as you go through all of this--and here's hoping for many more ups than downs in the months ahead.
*hugs*
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May 09, 2009
WE'RE GONNA NEED A TRACKING NUMBER ON THAT PACKAGE
At the end of my appointment yesterday, the genetics counselor said that I seem remarkably well-adjusted and calm about my predicament. I told her that some experiences have been easier than others, and when I started explaining a few of the more difficult ones, I got choked up. Especially when I explained how I feel
frozen in time while everyone else around me moves forward with life.
I sometimes forget how deeply this cuts.
When I first learned of
the balanced translocation, I went through a vengeful stage. I wanted to knock on the door of everyone who told me to just relax and punch them. I wanted to point out everyone's wrongness and tell them to their face that it was even
worse than they could've ever guessed. I wanted them to feel bad for all the stupid advice over the years and for their nonchalance in telling me I just
haven't been patient enough.
I'm kinda over that, mostly. Somedays moreso than others.
The genetics counselor said that my specific translocation isn't the worst one in the world, and that if my husband and I wanted to keep trying the natural way, we'd have about a 50% miscarriage rate. We've flipped three tails already, but with a large enough sample size, we'd eventually get a heads.
When I pointed out that my husband is gone for nine-month chunks
and I'm 31 1/2
and we don't have a great track record of getting pregnant quickly
and we're just flat out
done with gambling, she agreed that
PGD might be a good option for us. Especially since I already have a military fertility doctor to offset some of the $20,000 pricetag.
The next step is meeting with my doctor to find out how quickly we can get started and which company we will do the PGD through. She guessed it would be someone in New Jersey. Then I asked how that works, like do they run a test on the embryo and mail the data to NJ for interpretation? She said more likely they would have to send the entire embryo to a cellular-level specialist.
Let that sink in for a second, because it was the most interesting thing she said all day. My husband and I would start babies here with our doctor. The babies would then be FedEx'd to an embryologist who will take one of their eight cells out, test it, give the babies the thumb's up or down, and then FedEx the babies back to us so they could be injected into me and hopefully nestle in for nine months.
FedExing a replicating and growing baby. Of all the wonderments...
I definitely will be following that tracking number.
If we manage to have a baby through this process, imagine telling our kid that story someday, that we loved him so much that we swaddled him in bubble wrap and sent him on a trip to a doctor to make sure he would grow up healthy and strong.
Or her. Or them.
Hopefully them.
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I remember thinking the
same thing about FexEx when we were looking at shipping our frozen embryos to us instead of taking a trip to them. What a crazy world this is sometimes. Fingers crossed that it will be "them".
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Frozen and FedEx'd embryos. I didn't see that one coming. It's amazing how you and I run on the same beat. So few people can even begin to understand the cyclical frustration wrapped around outsiders eternal optimist advice to Be Patient - It's Not Your Time Yet. Grrr the giant 'F*Off' that is held at the tip of our tongues. We try, it's not like we don't have other hobbies and sidetracks and live a little, but that doesn't fill our wombs for 9 months and produce the coveted pain of labor. Yes, some people actually CRAVE labor pains, just for the sole evidence that it finally ACTUALLY happened.
Good luck with the next round! Of course keep us updated! I love to hear about the adventure your life is continually taking, especially while we're at the deployed/sabbatical stage and we still don't have anything more concrete than irregular ovulation and so far a complete lack of being pregnancy. But that's an old store
which you know so well!
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Good thing it'd be FedEx! ;-)
Posted by: kannie at May 09, 2009 01:18 PM (S6srO)
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I think we know how Brian would feel about trusting your embryos to FedEx, so I won't tell him...although, if I tell him they are shipped, he will ask. He's like that.
I know when people adopt & receive their referral paperwork via FedEx or UPS, they sometimes meet the driver at the door, camera in hand & he ends up having his photo taken b/c of the cargo he's delivering. Some are surprised and a little uncomfortable with the emotional response the parents have to a folder. Can you imagine the look on the delivery driver's face if you told him he had your EMBRYO in the box?! That would WAY be talked about at the dinner table!
If you want to split up the face punching duties, let me know. I'm happy to run around the country whacking people in the face who gave you the "Frankie Goes to Hollywood" advice.
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As I said on that other post, I completely understand (though for a different reason) what you mean by feeling frozen in time, that your life is on hold. I'm trying to get my life off of "pause", and hope you get to do the same. It's just amazing what science can do these days, isn't it?
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, I worked for an overnight delivery company. Â I didn't think much of this one styrafoam box I had to drop off at a medical office complex... Â until I walked down a hall to the receptionist's desk past little rooms with TV's and magazines. Â On the counter the one flyer I did notice was "Everything you wanted to know about ... donation." Â (Trying to be discreet so you don't wind up with weird google searches on account of me.) Â At the time, all I thought was that I had been carting around someone's swimmers.
In retrospect, the office probably had a lot more going on than donations. Â I think I'm going to revise that memory and tell myself it was an embryo.
Can I say I've delivered a baby now? Â
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I hope this round -- as weird as it may seem (fedex'ing embryo's ... who knew!) -- works out for you guys. A 50/50 chance seem slim but it's better than nothing. I wish you nothing but the best of luck and am keeping my fingers crossed for you!
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Your babies will be Jersey babies! I am SO excited about that.
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May 05, 2009
MEET THE NEW CLINIC, SAME AS THE OLD CLINIC
Now it's my turn to rip on civilian medicine. My case manager here on post called the civilian doctor's office and said I needed genetics counseling, and they booked me with the wrong guy. I wasn't supposed to go to that doctor yesterday at all; he is just a regular maternal fetal medicine doctor. Absurd screw up on their part, costing me $14 in gas and a day's worth of confusion. Oh, and costing my fellow taxpayers the amount of the worthless visit. Which I'm sure is sky high. I hope Tricare sticks it to them by only paying the bare minimum.
New appointment with a genetics counselor set for this Friday. I have high expectations for this one. I want Punnett squares and PowerPoints and a much higher level of detail than found on Wikipedia.
My case manager here was horrified and very apologetic. I said that she ought to hear the
litany of screw-ups over the past two years. She said, "I know, and I was trying to
stop that cycle, not make it worse!"
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I hope Tricare sticks it to them by only paying the bare minimum.I have great confidence that your wish will be granted!!! ;-)
Posted by: kannie at May 05, 2009 07:03 PM (S6srO)
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How refreshing that you have a case manager that is actually trying to stop the cycle. My fingers and toes are crossed for your appointment tomorrow!
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May 04, 2009
UNPRODUCTIVE
I would wager that the internet has had a profound effect on the medical field.
If I had discovered my balanced translocation 15 years ago, I would've been completely overwhelmed. To find any information on the topic, I would've had to visit my local library and use the card catalog for books or the goofy old Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature to find articles. It would've been far easier to have an expert just explain it to me.
But in 2009, within an hour of coming home from the doctor two weeks ago, I had
a basic understanding of a fairly specific genetic problem. By the end of the day, I was educated on two chromosomes in particular, the risks of PGD, and had even managed to find a
medical article from 1982 on someone with my specific translocation. Eventually I even read about translocations
in Swedish.
So let's just say that when the doctor at my appointment today started drawing chromosomes on a paper, I had two thoughts: 1) "It's much clearer if you do it
with play-doh" and 2) "No, you're doing it wrong, chromosome 22 is one of the short ones and you've drawn it equal in size to chromosome 7."
Therefore, all in all, the appointment was a disappointment. The man was neither a geneticist nor a genetic counselor. I don't quite understand why I had to meet with him and what we were supposed to accomplish. I plan to spend tomorrow trying to answer those questions.
I did learn one thing though: this process could even be harder than we originally thought. I got another blood test done today to see if we're at risk for eggs carrying
22q11.2 deletion syndrome. Fantastic. If so, it means that
even fewer of my eggs will be able to create a healthy baby.
Just one more frustrating and unproductive day to add to my collection.
[A special hat tip to my librarian cousin for reminding me what those goofy green books in my high school library were called.]
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I've worked at libraries off and on since I was 16 and I broke into a HUGE grin seeing the goofy green books mentioned by name. I'd almost forgotten about them. My only other regret is not realizing I should have purchased some library's big, wooden card catalog...how I loved those.
I'm so sorry this guy didn't wow you with his vast store of general or specific knowledge. What a ridiculous exercise in futility for an intelligent, self-purposed individual like you who would OBVIOUSLY have looked into this a little. What did he say when you told him his drawings were not to scale and you were disappointed in his ignorance on your issue? Maybe we should put together a care package and send it to him? Or, an advanced package of your research for the next person you're forced to meet with?
At least it sounds like the blood test you had may be semi-productive (or at least save time later??) in the whole scheme of things?
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So, I'll bet his head was spinning after meeting with you.
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What a blast from the past! With rare exceptions during the 90s, I haven't used the
Readers' Guide to Periodical Literature in 20 years! What I research wouldn't be in it.
The Guide is now online!
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May 01, 2009
ARMY OF ONE
I got lucky and there's an opening with the geneticist this coming Monday morning. Unfortunately, Monday morning is the only day next week that my husband has training he cannot skip and cannot reschedule. So it was either go to the appointment alone, or wait three weeks for the next available appointment.
I think they need to designate Army
wives as the Army Of One.
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I can say Amen to that. The actual army peeps get to go off with their fellow soldiers, and like it or not, usually be around people all the time. It's us spouses left back home who are often alone.
I know one thing, I cannot imagine how army wives with kids do it all.
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So glad to hear they can get you in so quickly. Best wishes for an informative and useful appointment!!
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April 27, 2009
I WILL SET THEM ON FIRE
I want to murder my doctor and everyone who works for him.
(Despite that intro, this will be a boring post about playing telephone tag. But I have to bang it out or I will go crazy.)
Last Tuesday when the doctor
hit me with the bad news, he told me to call Tricare Referrals the next day. (As per the discussion at the conference of making your blog non-military friendly, that is our health care system. To be seen off-post by a civilian doctor, I need a referral through the insurance before I can make an appointment. I have never had to do this before.)
I called Tricare Wednesday: no referral in their system. Same Thursday and Friday. The prerecorded message said it could take 72 hours, but on Friday I found a customer service rep to talk to. She informed me that, despite the fact that my home is most definitely not located in that region, that I was calling the wrong number and should be calling the North division. Hung up, called them, they didn't have the referral either.
Called back Monday morning: still no referral. Got grumpy. Left a cranky message with my doctor's secretary to check again and make sure the referral was made because we've already wasted a week of precious time.
The secretary calls me back hours later to say that, whoopsie, I wasn't supposed to be calling Tricare after all. Who told you to do that? Us? Our bad. You just need to confirm your referral in our own hospital. Here, let me just transfer the call...yep, disconnected.
I
wrote during the second miscarriage about how it's impossible to reach an actual human being in our medical system. So she had disconnected me, and all I could do was call her back, leave another pissy message on her machine, and wait several more hours for her to call me back.
I finally get the right number to get connected where I'm supposed to be, and that is
also an answering machine. I leave a message, she calls me back an hour later, confirms my referral, and then tells me that it will take
seven days from today until the referral shows up in Tricare.
At this point, I don't know whether to scream or cry.
We don't have time for this. My husband deploys in less than three months, we've been told it will take us at least a month to get an appointment with this geneticist, and we just wasted a week
playing phone tag?
What in the holy fricking shizz is wrong with my doctor? Why did he quite clearly tell me to call the wrong place? And I told him flat out that I have never had a referral before, so he
knew I needed instruction. They dropped the you're-a-mutant bomb and then shoved me out the door without even bothering to tell me which phone number to call for follow-up, so I wasted a week that we simply
do not have time to waste.
At this rate, my husband will be gone before we can even get this process started. And, ahem, we kinda need him around for the process.
I swear, these people are gonna scream so loud when I set them on fire.
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I didn't expect your new blog to start with ... this.
She informed me that, despite the fact that my home is most definitely not located in that region, that I was calling the wrong number and should be calling the North division.Do you mean your "home is most definitely located in that region"?
What consequences do these people face for such non-service? None, I assume. Hence their lack of incentive. They don't understand how urgent your situation is and I fear they never will.
Posted by: Amritas at April 27, 2009 04:37 PM (+nV09)
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Man, that sucks donkey balls! And while none of it is funny - I totally heard that last line about setting them on fire in Cartman's voice!
Posted by: Beth at April 27, 2009 05:41 PM (7t5CD)
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Holy hell there's something wrong with this whole system. You know what I've been through... am STILL effing going through. Perhaps we need to declare blog jihad and take on the military healthcare system.
Posted by: Sis B at April 27, 2009 07:20 PM (GFl+S)
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Is it jerky of me to love the fact that when you pretend curse, you use one of my favorite words?
I'm so sorry you're dealing with all this customer no-service. Nothing like dumping all this on you only to abandon you to voice mail hell. That is ridiculous. And, it super stinks that the time is always an ever-present factor for you and yours.
Let me get over this bug I have and then I will be happy to pack up the socks and the nickels and head your way.
Posted by: Guard Wife at April 27, 2009 08:11 PM (Bfea2)
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I have matches.
{{Hugs}}
Posted by: Susan at April 27, 2009 08:20 PM (EU2Wl)
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I was going to offer matches but maybe I should just make it coals to Newcastle since the matches are already offered.
Anyhow you know the intent, we are with you all the way.
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Note to self: let Sarah borrow plasma cannon once I actually acquire one.
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Oh, good grief. I'm so sorry to read this. I had hopes that maybe the Tricare Referral Office in your region was better than the ones I've dealt with in the past!! Guess not. This really, really stinks.
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And people think gov't healthcare will be the greatest healthcare ever. I ponder over this daily. Especially when forced to deal with tricare until my eyes start to twitch.
good luck getting it all straightened out!
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Little do the doctors know that Sarah probably has access to a real life flame thrower. Maybe just pointing it at their feet and making them dance would get the point across?
Posted by: Mare at April 28, 2009 07:46 AM (y9A8i)
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Come on doc, seriously. You know the system...help the girl out!
Posted by: stacy at April 28, 2009 01:42 PM (3Xy/L)
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Par for the course. That's why WE call it "Tri-and-get-care." I could write pages and pages on this topic.... I feel so bad for you and the salt being rubbed into your wound....
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April 22, 2009
STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS
One of my cherished new readers pointed out last night that there is a blogger who wrote about her family's ordeal with balanced translocation. I am reading the archives of
Here Be Hippogriffs now. One post I think might be educational for my readers, especially the chromosomes made out of play-doh:
Balanced Translocations 101.
I don't know if this story will type as well as it's told in person, but I was doing some research on my chromosomes yesterday. I told my mother over the phone that chromosome 7 was related to things like schizophrenia, cystic fibrosis, and deafness. "What?" she asked. "DEAFNESS." "Huh?" she asked right at the same time I was repeating myself. "Being DEAF," I practically screamed. Then we both cracked up.
Thank you for your kind words and your wows and your tempered optimism for the future. Everyone has responded beautifully. I am doing OK and letting everything slowly sink in. I am still on the high of having an answer, but actually, this is a crappy path to be on. I don't want to do IVF. I really don't want to do IVF by myself while my husband is in Afghanistan. How am I gonna give myself shots in the butt alone? I dread that, truly. Thinking about it already makes me panic.
But, distractions abound. I am happily attending the 2009 Milblogs Conference this weekend. And...my husband will be going with me! I am excited to see my imaginary and real worlds collide. We will be staying with AirForceFamily, which is always fun, and Charlie gets to torment pit bulls again. Plus I am excited to see AirForceWife's knitting. She has been at it for a while, but I've never gotten to see her stuff. She's all nonchalant about it; conversely, I am all "everyone should see how jacked and tan I am" about my knitting. So yay.
And I think I get to see someone I haven't seen since 1995. So that's fun.
So yeah, check out those play-doh chromosomes...
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Am I the only one who thought of
this song?
When your worlds collide, will the universe survive?
Will you be knitting chromosomes?
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Amritas -- Bwhahahahaha!
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Posted by: David Boxenhorn at April 22, 2009 11:13 AM (Ze4pK)
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I just want DH's men to CLEAN THEIR ROOMS! No
double secret probation extra duty this weekend.
Posted by: MaryIndiana at April 22, 2009 04:37 PM (kPQtx)
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Do you know which chromosomes got translocated? Perhaps something interesting is transcribed twice.
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Nice cross reference. I'm on my way!
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I think IVF might seem like "a brave new world" to me if I hadn't watched a good friend go through it about a year 1/2 ago. I faithfully gave her "butt" shots for a month or whatever it was and actually, the whole process seemed normal. Of course, you never truly know until you're the one doing it.
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April 21, 2009
ORIGINS: SARAH
Remember when I said my husband and I should play the lottery? That we had managed to hit 1% and 5% probability for our pregnancies?
I just hit 0.16%.
Yesterday, due to yet another snafu with The Fertility Clinic Of The Absurd, I got a preview of today's appointment: something did indeed come back on our genetic testing. I spent all night and all morning freaking out. I could barely concentrate on anything, barely breathe even. And when I got to the clinic and shared a bustling waiting room with jovial nurses and at least six very pregnant ladies, I broke down crying. Not my finest moment. (I absolutely hate that fertility patients meet in the regular old ob-gyn clinic. Talk about having it rubbed in your face constantly.)
We finally got into our own room, and the doctor handed me the results of the chromosome analysis.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am an X-man.
I am the 1 out of every 625 people who has a balanced translocation between two chromosomes. Luckily, google was invented so I could figure out what in the heck that means.
A translocation is a change in chromosome structure in which chromosomes are attached to each other or pieces of different chromosomes have been interchanged. An individual with a translocation is unaffected if there is no extra or missing chromosome material and if the break in the chromosome did not disrupt gene function. If there is no additional or missing chromosome material, the translocation is considered to be "balanced." A translocation is "unbalanced" if there is extra or missing material.
Individuals with balanced translocations typically have no medical issues though some do have fertility concerns, such as reduced fertility. The concern regarding having a balanced translocation is that, though the individual is healthy, the egg or sperm of that individual can have an unbalanced chromosome make-up that leads to the resultant embryo or pregnancy being unbalanced. The presence of an unbalanced translocation can lead to an embryo not implanting, a pregnancy being lost or a child being born with mental and physical problems. Individuals with a translocation may, therefore, experience multiple pregnancy losses or have a child affected with physical and mental problems that may be lethal.
Translation: no natural babies for us. We have been referred to geneticist at a Big Name Hospital in the nearby metropolis, so I will be calling tomorrow to try to get an appointment there. They will be able to tell me if the particular translocation I have means that I can even procreate at all, and if so...it won't be in our bedroom.
See, I told you it wasn't stress! (wink)
If we are to have any chance at all, it will have to be with IVF using Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis. Google again, how did I live before you?:
Preimplantation genetic testing is a technique used to identify genetic defects in embryos created through in vitro fertilization (IVF) before pregnancy. Preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) refers specifically to when one or both genetic parents has a known genetic abnormality and testing is performed on an embryo to see if it also carries a genetic abnormality.
I know we discussed this a little when I wrote that post on designer babies, and I debated whether to even mention that this is the route we'd have to take. But I decided that I have no ethical qualms about investigating this line of action, so I truly don't want any commentary if you think this is "playing God" or something. Please. I respect your position, but I'd prefer if you not advocate for it here.
Once we meet with the geneticist, we will have to decide if creating a Baby Grok will be worth the extraordinary complicated and fretful process. Nothing guarantees that PGD will even work: in this clinic in New Jersey, "in approximately 22% of cycles, all the embryos were chromosomally abnormal." But, if we could get some embryos who aren't mutants like their mother, the end results look promising...or at least better than the crap sandwich we've recently been eating:
Reduction in the Chance of Having a Child with the Translocation
Our personnel have performed PGD of translocations in over 100 cycles. Normal or balanced embryos were available to be transferred to the patient in the majority of cycles. Pregnancy occured in approximately 40% of the cycles with transfer. None of the delivered babies has been found to have and unbalanced translocation.
Reduction in Pregnancy Losses
The PGD procedure significantly reduces the chance of pregnancy loss. The patients who achieved pregnancy after PGD had experienced miscarriage in the majority (~85%) of their previous pregnancies. When these same patients underwent PGD, just fewer than 10% of pregnancies were miscarried. This is a significant reduction in pregnancy losses.
So that's where we're at.
On the plus side, we have an answer. We finally know the reason this has been happening to us. It is concrete and there is a potential workaround. I also have found some peace about the previous miscarriages: those poor babies had severe defects. It was not my immune system attacking them, as I had feared. I now know they died because they weren't growing properly, which comforts me somewhat.
I also am overwhelmed with relief that the problem is on my end instead of my husband's. I have puzzled people with that statement before, but I love my husband so much that I would rather bear the burden of being the "cause" of our problems than to watch him have to live with the guilt I am certain he would feel. I know I would not love him one tiny bit less if he had been the mutant, but he is the type of person would've been disappointed in himself, and I am glad to spare him that feeling. I also know, because he told me, that he wouldn't trade me for a non-mutant wife, and I believe him.
Plus he gets to tease me about being an X-man; he begged me not to take side with Magneto against normal humans like him. Heh.
So I'm afraid my experience is no longer very applicable to others who are struggling to have a baby or losing the ones they do have. Unless you too fit the 0.16% like I do -- and why do I keep giggling, imagining onlookers muttering "Freak!" like on Deuce Bigalow? -- your journey won't end up like mine, being forced to cherry-pick embryos from amongst the FAIL ones to create a frankenbaby. But hopefully my experiences and writing will still bring people some bit of knowledge or empathy.
So that's my story. Snickety snickety.
For further reading, see:
Balanced Translocation and Recurrent Miscarriages
Handbook of Genetic Counseling/Balanced Translocation
Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis (PGD) for Translocations
I also have decided that I need a blog category for infertility. No one sets out on this journey to need that kind of label, but that's where I'm at, and for a while now I have felt that filing these posts under 'personal' just isn't cutting it anymore. I plan to comb through 2+ years of posts and re-categorize them.
P.S. I feel pretty OK today, and I am going to get loads of mileage out of calling myself a mutant. I am happy to have an answer and ready to see what we might learn in the next phase. So no need to worry.
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I am relieved. It's not over yet, but that's a good thing. My worst fear was that you'd find out there was no possible workaround and that your journey had come to an abrupt and sad end today. However, I will continue to worry about you, for there are no guarantees. And I still hope for the best.
You're far from alone. One out of 625 translates to roughly 480,000 Americans - or almost 11 million worldwide! How many others are going through this - or worse - not even knowing why? Granted, many of those millions are not of reproductive age, but still ...
On the lighter side - amazing there is one at all - now I can say I know an X-Man! The world needs more X-Men to save it from the humans.
Posted by: Amritas at April 21, 2009 10:27 AM (+nV09)
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Wow.
I'm SO sorry to hear that; and I'm SO glad for you, that you have an ANSWER. FINALLY. Even though the answer totally stinks.
Wow.
And yes, on a lighter note, being an X-Man makes it that much more obvious that you're here to do wonderful things... {:-)
Best wishes for future successful plans!!! *hugs*
Posted by: kannie at April 21, 2009 12:10 PM (iT8dn)
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I have tears in my eyes. Happy tears. At last you have a reason. At last you know what your options are. What a relief. Now on to some more work on the problems. Maybe it can be fixed, maybe it can't BUT YOU KNOW the problem.I'm sure you aren't that unique (not a put down) you are just one who has been tested. And while it doesn't take away the hopes and dreams you had for those lost babies you know now they were never really to be, that nothing you did or could do would have made a difference.
Hmm... my son worked with Chris Carter when he produced the X-files but I never knew any X-men or women. ;D
Posted by: Ruth H at April 21, 2009 12:16 PM (Y4oAO)
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I have to agree with Kannie on the "Wow".
Yay for finally having a real answer, even if it's not even close to a simple fix. And major kudos to you for being so strong in the face of all this. Best wishes in whatever course you decide to take from here.
*Hugs*
Posted by: Leofwende at April 21, 2009 04:24 PM (28CBm)
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I'm so glad you have an answer, and that the answer has been a little bit of a comfort to you. I will continue to think good thoughts and cheer on whatever path you decide to take. *hugs*
Posted by: FbL at April 21, 2009 09:04 PM (HwqvF)
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I agree - at least you know what the issue is now. And more importantly, you know what course of action to take from here. You have a next step, instead of just what looks like another dead end.
Here's hoping that everything works out.
Posted by: TW at April 21, 2009 09:07 PM (qWzEG)
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Hmm. If I understand this right, then, the majority of the eggs you have left will still have an abnormality, being haploid, the affected chromosomes will have a corrupted gene sequence no matter how they were divided. Depending on how the genes were mapped originally at your conception, maybe one in four ova will good to go? You just have to find them.
With PGD to screen, those are good odds.
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Posted by: Erin at April 22, 2009 04:13 AM (avdYy)
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*hugs*
I'm glad you finally have some answers. Whatever the path you choose, we're always thinking of you & sending many happy thoughts your way!
Posted by: Penny at April 22, 2009 04:53 PM (QMEWg)
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Only thing I know to say is that you've still got lots of good thoughts and well-wishes coming from me. I'm glad you have an answer and whatever path you choose in bringing Baby Grok to your family you won't regret.
I can't wait to read your blog post the first time you're awaken at 3 a.m. with "MOM. Come here. My damn nose is bleeding again." and BG is 4.
Posted by: Susan at April 23, 2009 05:13 AM (4aKG6)
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April 20, 2009
DEAR DARLA, YOU'RE THE BEST
Darla and I are currently going through much of the same -- a break from babymaking, upcoming deployments, etc -- and she wrote
a great post about it.
I'd be lying if I said it hasn't been a little calmer around here since we took a hiatus from the baby making.
This past month has been very relaxing for us. No thinking about babies, no trying for babies, nothing. I had honestly been afraid that we might never be able to go back to "normal," that two years of forced coupling and repeated heartbreak might be hard to undo. But we have spent the past month happy with each other, as happy as we were before this whole mess began. So that was a relief.
I'd be lying to say I wasn't enjoying last weekend. [...] As slightly inebriated baby sister and I stumbled down the streets of Portland in the wee hours of the night behind our spouses, it was a bit of a relief to not be neglecting any children or having to place their care in someone else's hands while being completely stupidly unresponsible for myself. Sometimes it's joyous being an adult, and yes I know they have these things called 'sitters' but those barren like myself have to see silver linings everywhere.
I am quite good at the silver linings game by now. This weekend I ran to the grocery store to buy carrots for Charlie's birthday cake. I wandered around the store for a while, checking everything out. $30 in groceries later, I checked out and went home...to find that I'd left the carrots at the store. Back in the car, run back in the store, back home.
That was annoying, but imagine the ordeal toting a kid. I try to remind myself of stuff like that all the time.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't melancholy on occasion.
Snort. Sitting here doing nothing and then bursting into tears for no reason is just a way of life for me anymore.
Yet, as is the case in life, some evenings are crazier than others and sometimes the littlest stupidest thing, like someone's FB profile photo, can remind you of the exact spot you are at in life. For instance barren, at 29, here, now.
Replace that last sentence with "habitual aborter at 31" and that's me. I can't stand Facebook updates about other people's ultrasounds, and their healthy babies, and their profile pics of their bellies. Sometimes I have to stop myself from making mean comments.
Tomorrow we head to the doctor to find out the results of the tests on our genes and my immune system. I have completely freaked myself out by reading the book Is Your Body Baby Friendly? and now I am imagining the worst.
But truly the worst would be to hear that there's no cause for the repeated miscarriages. Then what?
And Darla, for Easter we had pork wrapped in pork. Mmmm.
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No words, words kinda suck, just prayers.
Posted by: Beth at April 20, 2009 05:43 PM (7t5CD)
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That was awesome! I wondered why I was getting all these feeds from you ... so I stumbled over here and lo and behold my tired eyes did see ...
Thanks! And Yes, we do seem to be so symbiotic in this sometimes. I'm glad I found you! You remind me to have a little hope and look up in life!
Posted by: Darla at April 20, 2009 05:44 PM (LP4DK)
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Than she read, and reread the post ..
You know I feel you, you and see the cross posts often enough to understand. I will think of you next time I break down for no apparent reason, or every reason in the world. Enjoy our silver linings and spoiling Charlie and stalking your husband and think of me. In October I'm heading to DC - too bad you didn't live closer!
Posted by: Darla at April 20, 2009 05:51 PM (LP4DK)
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*hugs*
I hope this doesn't mean you hate me now...
Posted by: Leofwende at April 21, 2009 04:28 PM (28CBm)
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