September 15, 2004
WHAT FOR?
After having read more articles and blog posts on the topic than I ever would've thought possible, I am now fairly certain that the CBS memos are fakes. Given that they are fake, I now wonder what the person who made them is thinking. Did he create them to make President Bush look bad? If so, is he kicking himself that he used MS Word and two superiors who were already out of the military by 1973? Is he banging his head against the wall that the discussion centers around superscript th and kerning instead of Bush's attendance? Or did he create them to make the mainstream media look bad? If so, is he like the
guy who hid the box cutters in the airplane bathrooms just to prove the point that security isn't tight enough? Did the memo forger assume the media would run with them and want to make them look foolish? I'm insanely curious as to who would make these memos and why. I hope we find out someday.
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Indeed,
as InstaPundit said:HereÂ’s some helpful advice for CBS: "A source lies to you, and you find it out, you burn him.
Period."
Posted by: Sander at September 15, 2004 11:00 PM (3nJmx)
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I think it was Michael Moore.
Posted by: Bushlover at September 16, 2004 03:10 PM (Ks/V0)
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September 12, 2004
THE MEDIA'S JOB
See, here's what ticks me off. I haven't seen anyone but Dan Rather and his unnamed experts defend these memos (and no one has claimed the
$10,500 reward). And now the AP is
asking retired servicemembers what they think about the memos, without any hint that they might be fakes.
Majied, a Democrat from Albany who served 30 years in the Navy, including five years as a SEAL in Vietnam, said the memos support his belief that Bush was a "playboy" during his service years.
"He had enough money to get what he wanted," Majied said. "I think his main concern was not to go to Southeast Asia. I bet he never dreamed it would come back to haunt him."
This man obviously hasn't read this story:
Finally, Killian said his father told him a story in 1980 or 1981, when the two sat in an officers' club in San Antonio, Texas, about Lt. Bush having twice volunteered for duty in the Air National Guard "Palace Alert" program, under which fighter pilots in the Guard could serve a year on active duty in Vietnam.
On both occasions, the younger Killian said, Lt. Bush was turned down because he did not have more than 500 hours of flight time. Killian cited Maurice Udell, later a commander of the 147th Fighter Group, in which Lt. Bush served, and Col. Buck Staudt, later a brigadier general, as the individuals who turned Lt. Bush down.
"We have pilots with thousands of hours in the F-102," Bush was told, according to Killian. "Why would I send you?"
Majied seems to already have his mind made up (and could potentially be another Micah Wright), but it's shoddy reporting that allows people to base their vote on utter nonsense. If the MSM weren't so gung-ho Kerry, they would report things like that the F-102 was actually dangerous and that President Bush wasn't roasting marshmallows around the campfire in the Guard. They would report that President Bush seems to have tried to get sent to Vietnam but was turned down, in contrast to Kerry, who tried to get out of going to Vietnam but was turned down.
The media's job is to provide us with facts so we can make our own decisions. It seems these days that they're making the decisions ahead of time and then providing us with the facts they like.
In times like these, it can't hurt to go back and read Nelson Ascher's post Ignorance and Journalism.
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Sarah - you are right again. Thanks.
Posted by: Kathleen A at September 12, 2004 12:16 PM (vnAYT)
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Perhaps you haven't heard. The memos are authentic. NONE of the criticism stands up to scrutiny. And people throughout our military have many reason, besides these, to doubt Bush. Let's not forget his lies about WMD that convinced us to go into Iraq.
Posted by: mre at September 12, 2004 12:19 PM (s6c4t)
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Being "Super Minority Boy!" I'm going to point out that the guy's name is Majied, and there may very well be some pro-muslim/anti-Bush bias going on his statement also.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at September 12, 2004 12:37 PM (VU2TV)
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Fact checking works both ways, Sarah.
First, during the VN war, pilots needed 1000 hours before being sent into a combat theater. Bush had less than 400.
Second, Operation Palace Alert ended two weeks before Bush allegedly asked to be part of it.
Summary: Bush allegedly "volunteered" for something that had already ended and with less than half the required flight hours.
Posted by: JadeGold at September 12, 2004 01:49 PM (vBfrV)
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Considering what major frauds this documents appear to be, including to CBS's experts who are now recanting (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/12/politics/campaign/12guard.html), you'd think people defending them would drop it.
Especially since no one really cares about Bush's Nationa Guard duty except Bush haters.
What's really sad is politics have become the new religion for some people. Especially on the left, who sees Bush as the Devil. All rationality has gone out the window for the so called Democrat party.
Posted by: James Hudnall at September 12, 2004 02:17 PM (FV8Tp)
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Jade, did anything take Operation Palace Alert's place or was that the end of mobilizing ANG pilots? Also, was that the sole and only way for an ANG pilot to go to vietnam?
Also, what other source has the date that Bush asked to join Operation Palace Alert in relation to the request? The Fox News article doesn't seem to give any dates on Bush's request. I'm only finding years via a google search, so I can't tell if he actually asked before the program ended, or as you state, he asked after the program ended.
Never mind, I found the dates and if he voluteered out of flight school Operation Palace Alert still had a month before the beginning of phase out. Considering his supervisor's response (too low on the totem pole, not enough flight hours as opposed to the program being closed) I'd say you surmised wrongly.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at September 12, 2004 03:44 PM (VU2TV)
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There is a definite disconnect between what you and I see as the media's job, and what they see as their job.
It is showing up now more than ever.
Posted by: John at September 12, 2004 07:45 PM (+Ysxp)
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Update on Majied the SEAL over at
Oh, That Liberal Media.
It seems, according to Gregory Platt, that Majied was never a SEAL.
Pity that so much of the media can't be bothered to do any research when the story fits their agenda.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at September 12, 2004 10:23 PM (VU2TV)
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WHAT A NERD: THIS ABOUT CHENEY: ...the "Operation Scorpion" scheme he and his aides developed for imposing "regime change" upon Iraq was so ineptly plotted that it was scrapped after a cursory review by General Norman Schwarzkopf. "I wondered whether Cheney had succumbed to the phenomenon I'd observed among some secretaries of the army," observed Schwarzkopf, the commander on the ground in the region. "Put a civilian in charge of professional military men and before long he's no longer satisfied with setting policy but wants to outgeneral the generals."
Posted by: SAHARA at September 13, 2004 07:28 PM (vzHiG)
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Every night Americans should go to bed afraid that their Commander-in-Chief will get another opportunity to sit like a retard and read My Pet Goat while America is under attack.
The little chickenhawk should be impeached for lying and incompetence.
Posted by: Rush at September 13, 2004 07:46 PM (vzHiG)
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Yeah Rush,
Apparently Bush should have dashed outside yelling about the sky falling, so that the kids could all panic, while the esteemed Senator Kerry, by his own admission, sat stunned, unable to think, for 40 minutes. Perhaps Bush should have froze himself for 40 minutes to provide amusement for the children instead.
And about lies... you mean like the Christmas in Cambodia story? Oops... that wasn't Bush...
Posted by: chris at September 14, 2004 12:57 AM (VDzYB)
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I have no idea what you're talking about - Bush tried to get sent to Vietnam? Then why did he check the box saying he did not want to go? Kerry tried not to go? Then why did he request assignement there? Which parallel universe are you living in?
Or am I missing something?
Posted by: Tom Beck at September 14, 2004 05:05 PM (Tlll0)
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Hey Tom, I went to your webpage to see how you could possibly be confused about Sarah's post and found. . . THIS, which gives me a scary look into your psyche.
"Conspiracy [Sep. 10th, 2004|10:19 am]
[ mood | Not buying it for a second ]
[ music | Dem Bones Dem Bones Dem Dry Bones ]
How's this for a scenario? The Bush administration "releases" forged Killian memos that it knows are forgeries, then secretly encourages technical experts to reveal that they memos are forgeries. Bush is thus the "victim" of a scurrilous campaign to impugn him, garnering rebound sympathy from a press now furious at being taken in by the very forgeries they themselves trumpeted.
I'm not saying this is what has happened. It's not absolutely clear that all or some or any of the Killian memos are forgeries. But, if they are, would anyone who has been paying attention to the political career of George W. Bush under the tutelage of Karl Rove be the tiniest bit surprised if it ever turns out that this is what happened?"
Whoa, Tommy Boy. Here, let's take another Lithium and go see the nice man in the white coat with the fun padded room.
Posted by: Oda Mae at September 14, 2004 05:32 PM (kRPDO)
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"Kerry tried not to go?"
How 'bout this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/07/wkerr07.xml
Posted by: Sarah at September 14, 2004 05:55 PM (KZIcX)
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September 10, 2004
MEMOS
According to
LGF, "By 8:30 pm Pacific, an investigation is underway at CBS" about the forged memos. It's now 1130 in Germany, a full six hours later. So why is the MSN homepage still running
this link up top? And where's Seb's post about how, sadly no, they're not real?
MORE:
And why is freaking CBS still running the story? I can't even find anything on their news site that says they're investigating the matter.
MORE:
There's something up there now (it's 2023; I don't know at what time the story was added.)
And here's a memo someone dug up on Kerry (via Bunker).
MORE:
Ha, I had forgotten I said this back in February:
The whole point of his post is just to let you know that Sarah's dumb. Nice. I think my brother said the same thing when he was seven, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting blog.
I can't honestly believe that Seb has been reading my blog for an entire year, looking for things to nitpick. I get bored of his after five minutes. But you keep up the good fight, huh Seb? From now on, your comments are deleted here.
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Why? Because every minute counts. The meme must be spread. Even if it's false, it's for a good cause. Just imagine: MS Word might save America for four more years of Bush! Maybe capitalism isn't so bad after all.
Posted by: Amritas at September 10, 2004 07:47 AM (NLPaJ)
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Yeah, but that's your bit, right? Running around the internet pointing out falsehoods and mistakes and fucktards? Why bother with me when there's an enormous "sadly no" event going on in the world? Because it doesn't support your worldview? Because you get bigger kicks out of pointing at the little guy? This is right up your alley, but you've said nothing. If you're going to be a heartless bastard, then be one all the time.
Posted by: Sarah at September 10, 2004 03:27 PM (pLh/m)
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I'm pretty sure those memos are forged.
I am not sure who did it. They are so clumsy my cynical self says they were intended to be debunked and to thus discredit media if/when 'real' documents show up that are damaging to Bush. But then I see Rather so adamently defending them, and I hear McAuliffe saying basically 'it doesn't matter if the memos are forged, what they say is true'. I guess the mainstream Democrats (I'm a Zell Miller Dem, myself) have gone so far off into the deep end of 'moral relativism' that they just might have forged the things, stupid or not.
Glenmore, Louisiana, hating to wish Florida ill, but sure praying Ivan the Terrible doesn't come here.
Posted by: Glenmore at September 10, 2004 05:41 PM (E7FQ/)
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I can't even find anything on their news site that says they're investigating the matter.
That's because they aren't. Once again you've been led astray by LGF.
By the way, how is it that you have counter measures in place to block my posts when I've never been here before today?
Posted by: Robert at September 10, 2004 10:56 PM (SknxS)
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Robert, I don't have any counter-measures. If you're being blocked, it must be part of the blocks that are inherent to mu.nu.
Posted by: Sarah at September 11, 2004 03:11 AM (JB/sZ)
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Glenmore needs to look up moral relativism and find out what it actually means.
Posted by: delagar at September 11, 2004 11:04 AM (yor4I)
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When I try to post it won't allow my last name to be registered and gives me a message saying,
your comment could not be submitted due to questionable content

my last name)."
Posted by: Robert at September 11, 2004 12:51 PM (sfsG2)
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Robert, do you use the word "home" in your comments? For some reason, I get that "questionable content" message when I type that word.
Posted by: Amritas at September 11, 2004 07:16 PM (UBFrT)
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Then again, the last comment did get through, though I've been blocked twice for using the word "home." It's not my idea of an offensive four-letter word.
Posted by: Amritas at September 11, 2004 07:17 PM (UBFrT)
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I'm pretty sure that Bush hasn't denied them yet.
discharged honorably, discharged honorably, discharged honorably
He was pretty clearly a C+ pilot, a C+ student, and strangely he is a C+ leader.
You may think Kerry is unfit to serve, but I personaally vote for him and have been for ten years. An I think He would be a B+ president.
Posted by: mdhatter at September 13, 2004 11:15 PM (zlFGE)
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August 25, 2004
DENZEL
Man, I wish I could've seen this exchange between
Katie Couric and Denzel Washington. Thank heavens for brave celebrities...
(emailed to me by Tim)
MORE TO GROK:
I went and bought Courage Under Fire online, just because of Denzel. And also because that's the movie that made me know I wanted to be a military wife. After we watched it in ROTC class, I walked home from class all full of pride and love for my then-boyfriend's service. And I got back to his room to find he'd smashed a ukulele to splinters because a class he needed to graduate filled before he could register and therefore he would have to give up his slot in Air Assault School and take the business class in summer school.
As I calmed him down, I knew then that he was the man for me. I told him that as long as he beat up musical instruments instead of me, I'd stand by him through anything.
True story.
MORE:
Well, that's weird. Reader Matt found it on Snopes, and the account is MIGHTY different. I always check the validity of email forwards, but I don't snope out websites (though on a second glance, I should have if I'd read the parenthetical statement more thoroughly). Sigh. Oh well...it's still a good movie.
Hilarious that Meryl Streep said that money is bad though.
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Sarah - thanks for the link. I make it a point NEVER to watch the Today Show because their open hostility towards the president makes me mad. I knew I loved Denzel for a reason. HE should be a keynote speaker at the convention!
Posted by: Kathleen A at August 25, 2004 07:48 AM (vnAYT)
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The Denzel-Couric exchange didn't actually happen as described.
Snopes has the actual transcript:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/denzel.asp
Posted by: Matt at August 25, 2004 10:12 AM (jhAOH)
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Thanks for the snopes link! That was very interesting. Someone let me know when Meryl starts giving away all her money... *grin*
LOL - I nearly always go to snopes for just about any email I get that looks like it has celebrities claiming to have said something. I've found some interesting things that way.
Posted by: Teresa at August 25, 2004 11:22 AM (nAfYo)
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Denzel Washington called himself "an ex-slave"!?
If Meryl Streep thinks money is so "bad," why does she contaminate yourself with it? Oh, I see, she doesn't want to give it away lest she contaminates others. Only a noble soul like her can keep its evil under control.
Posted by: Amritas at August 25, 2004 12:02 PM (q9T9n)
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Hmmmm.....I thought EUROPEANS brought slavery to America, and AMERICANS fought a war to end it.
Washington: "You know, I haven't seen 'Fahrenheit 9/11,' because I live in America. I grew up here. I'm an ex-slave. I'm a result of what this country can do. So it's nothing new to me.
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at August 25, 2004 12:09 PM (QMAjT)
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You are posting an email hoax here. Talk about a knee-jerk reaction. You might want to do a little more homework next time, or are email hoaxes the best evidence that the right wingers can come up with these days?
Posted by: laughing at August 26, 2004 10:30 AM (n17hK)
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Laughing, are you drunk or just ignorant? I added an update that points directly to Snopes LONG before you commented. Do you suggest I delete the whole post and pretend I never said it, as people like Kos do?
Posted by: Sarah at August 26, 2004 10:50 AM (9iZmB)
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Sarah -
As I recall I sent you a separate link to the Iowa Presidential Campaign Watch website when I sent you the email forward. That site, which I checked before sending you the article seemed to me to be a worthy corroborator.
Obviously I was wrong and I apologize for it. I never send stuff I don't corroborate elsewhere. However, this time my judgment was suspect.
Posted by: Tim at August 26, 2004 11:52 AM (bzKQf)
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LIFE IMITATES OTT
Hilarious new Scrappleface article.
What's that you say? It's real? It's a
real article?
Oh. I coulda sworn...
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Kerry is doing a rope-a-dope. With his allies in the media, it just might work. i'm sure Clinton has advised him on this. Just wait out the controversy, until the people get tired of hearing about it.
It irks me that he said countless times "bring... it... on" and then when it was brought on, he couldn't take the heat. That tells me all i need to know about whether he's "fit for command" or not.
Posted by: annika at August 25, 2004 01:35 PM (zAOEU)
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August 22, 2004
DISJOINT
Is it just me, or is this title -- Iraqi athletes object to Bush campaign ad: Soccer players say president shouldn't exploit their success -- a little different from the crux of the
article's content?
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However, the Iraqi Olympic delegation accused journalists of deliberately provoking an angry response from their players.
“Our purpose is not to politicize the football team in any way,” Mark Clark, a consultant for the Iraqi Olympic Committee, said. “It seems the story was engineered.”
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But Clark insisted journalists were wrong to take advantage of the athletes.
“It is a little naughty,” he said. “The players are not very sophisticated politically; they are a little naive. Whoever posed these questions knew that the reaction would be negative.
“It is possible something was lost in translation. It’s a free, new Iraq, and the players are entitled to their opinions but we are disappointed.”
IraqÂ’s soccer players once lived in fear of Uday Hussein, son of toppled dictator Saddam Hussein, who used to beat the soles of their feet or throw them in prison for slip-ups on the pitch.
Under current coach Adnan Hamd, they have defied the odds to reach the quarterfinals at the Athens Olympics, where they will play Australia on Saturday.
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Looks like a case of trying to be "fair and balanced" while being anything but. If accused of being slanted, the writer could point to the the body of the article - knowing that many people will only see the title.
I wonder where Mark Clark stands politically, if anywhere. Can he be objective?
BTW, I think it is possible to be angry over having one's images etc. in an ad without necessarily being against the person the ad is for. I would not be too pleased if I were mentioned in a Bush ad without my permission, regardless of how I thought about Bush.
But that deals with mentioning me as an individual. Mentioning whole teams already in the public eye is arguably different.
And who knows what the journalists asked the athletes. If I were asked, "Bush has a new ad saying that you want Americans to vote for him, so what do you think?" I'd be mad. I couldn't get the ad to play properly on my dial-up connection, so I don't really know, but I hope the ad is nothing like that. What little I saw did not give me that impression. I assume the ad is saying that Bush's policies freed the athletes. Not that they endorse him. Is that wrong?
Posted by: Amritas at August 22, 2004 06:09 AM (vDqr8)
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! My Mom said she heard about this all night on TV - but I couldn't find it anywhere. I'm posting the link (with a hattip to you) on ITM, Nabil's blog and others. You are a gem!
Posted by: Kathleen A at August 22, 2004 01:18 PM (vnAYT)
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An Iraqi whose native tongue is Arabic, and in Greece for the Olympics is watching Bush's TV ads? Not to mention the fact that the ad doesn't even show or talk about the Iraqi athletes! But then again, SI is part of the same company as CNN. And we all KNOW Ted Turner called the 9/11 degenerates 'brave.'
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at August 22, 2004 04:48 PM (nL894)
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Tanker,
For the record, I don't think there was some directive from Ted Turner or even SI's editorial staff or whoever to distort. I think some reporters, imagining what a Bush ad must be like (vile, of course), asked the athletes unintentionally inflammatory questions about an ad they hadn't seen and they gave inflammatory answers. The problem with media bias isn't people scheming to fool the masses; it's reporters whose longtime assumptions are so deeply ingrained that they are not aware of them.
Posted by: Amritas at August 23, 2004 01:46 AM (A8VTg)
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Mark Clark is a U.S. government employee.
He worked for the CPA as a public affairs specialist.
Posted by: gnomon at August 23, 2004 06:10 PM (6XPqE)
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MINI-SERIES
I remember last year there was a
mini-series about Hitler on TV, and everyone was worried that it was too sympathetic. Even today, sixty years later, people don't want a personable Hitler. So why in the hell do we have a mini-series on
9/11 through the terrorists' eyes? I don't want to know what was going on in their lives to make them do these things, I don't want to watch them prepare to board the planes, I don't want to see the crash of Flight 93 from anyone but Tood Beamer's point of view, and I certainly don't want to give the 9/11 hijackers any more publicity and glory for the heinous thing that they did. I think that's disgusting.
That Hitler mini-series took 60 years. Maybe in 2060, when it's history, they can make a mini-series about that garbage, but it's not history when some of the collaborators are still alive and kickin' and being released by Germans.
This sure isn't the 9/11 movie Lileks envisioned.
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Just think: It takes a lot of people to make a two-hour drama and to buy the rights for the US (or anywhere else in the world). That's a lot of people who aren't getting nauseous over the thought of propagating the message that
"the hijackers were all quite ordinary."
Yup, jus' plain ol' folks, killin' thousands.
Is this how desensitized people have become?
Posted by: Amritas at August 22, 2004 06:14 AM (vDqr8)
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I'm sure it will be on Arabic TV very shortly. They can run it along with the Egyptian production of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at August 22, 2004 04:54 PM (nL894)
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Tanker,
It saddens me to say that the prospects for international sales of the film are probably very ... good (gag). Even people in the Great Satan want to see it.
Posted by: Amritas at August 23, 2004 01:33 AM (A8VTg)
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August 16, 2004
TRIP
This is a trip: here's what happens when
a scientist meets a journalist.
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Please, please don't call Ray Fair a scientist. He's a "social scientist." There's a big difference between scientists and social scientists: namely, social scientists are scientist wannabes who try to model "precisely" human behavior. Of course, their assumption of "rational" behavior flies in the face of reality--as we all know that humans don't always operate rationally.
Social scientists give scientists a bad reputation that they don't deserve.
Posted by: Can't win at August 18, 2004 04:54 PM (gUA7O)
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August 12, 2004
ABC
What a
crock: ABC didn't call me either, or they'd have found someone who voted Gore in 2000 and will vote Bush in 2004. It seems a tad ridiculous that they can't find
anyone in that category. Perhaps they're just not looking hard enough and are instead spending their time crafting over-the-top statements that look like fact but are indeed garbage.
Of course, I voted Gore in 2000 because I was woefully uninformed. I knew that I stood by the Republicans in almost all the issues, but I just didn't think that Bush had the experience to be president. I never thought he was stupid; I just thought he was too...simple.
Thank god I was right. That simplisme is now one of his greatest qualities.
MORE TO GROK:
I digested this for a while and decided I have more to say about it.
The last election was while I was in grad school. I'm ashamed to say that I don't think I read a single newspaper or watched a single debate. I honestly think I got my political news from Saturday Night Live. Embarrassing, I know, but I think it's pretty typical. Most young people just vote based on a hunch or on what they think the parties represent, whether it's true or not.
I'm going to write ABC now.
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You might like
this (you'll need to scroll down...)
"JEEZ, ARE ANY GORE VOTERS PULLING THE LEVER FOR KERRY THIS YEAR? [08/11 01:13 PM]
It appears there are about a hillion jillion billion google and one Gore voters who are voting for Bush this year. How do I know this? Because it appears every last one of them decided to e-mail me in response to this post. Again, folks, itÂ’s great to hear from you, but honestly, IÂ’m not the one who needs to hear from you. ABC News does."
Posted by: Pixy Misa at August 12, 2004 03:50 AM (kOqZ6)
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Well, it looks like ABC is
eating their words now.
For the record, I'm one of those "elusive" citizens who voted for Gore in 2000 and will be voting for Bush this year. In 2000, I wasn't concerned with a war or defense of US soil; I was concerned with keeping government out of decisions that are proper only to be made by individuals, e.g., abortion, marriage, and scientific research (such as stell-cell research). But, as many others have noted, the issue for 2004 is the war, and who will ensure that Americans are safe. Bush is the obvious answer.
Posted by: Carla at August 12, 2004 11:40 AM (r5M6F)
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Or....perhaps your world view is represented by the margin of error. That must be because you are so informed.
Posted by: rfidtag at August 12, 2004 09:56 PM (2fTDM)
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August 11, 2004
HEARTACHE
If the media knew how much
this hurts, how it's like a knife in the heart of every military family member, would they still do it? It's becoming obvious that no one in the media gives a damn about our servicemembers.
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These photos sicken me. Each photo taken of a militant with weapons or worse,holding up an American soldier's helmut like a trophy, is like a slap in the face to every soldier and his family. How dare the American media be so callous and unAmerican! I'm outraged!!
Posted by: Nancy at August 11, 2004 03:23 AM (+jEfD)
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They do realize that it hurts, that is exactly why they do it, and it is their intention to spark those feelings in you. It's called gritty, and hard-hitting, etc... etc...
It really spells out the scum that they have become, worse than ambulance chasing lawyers, it has become blood and body seeking reporters.
They biggest question I have, why are those that take these photos not tracked 24/7? Why are they allowed to operate in ways that are meant to incite jihadis, and demoralize the allies, and not treated as an enemy baffles me to the utmost extreme.
Information is a HUGE part of this war, and it is cedeing them that battlefield to not interfere with their operations.
Posted by: John at August 11, 2004 06:18 AM (crTpS)
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This is the type of press coverage we here at home had during the Vietnam War. The liberal media has always prided itself on the fact that they, through their slanted reporting, were able to influence the outcome of the war in Vietnam by attacking it in their papers and on the TV in the U.S.
They are still at it and for the same reason. They are trying to scare the American people into pulling back from the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The press today at the highest levels is still made up of the anti-war people of the 60's.
This time I hope they don't succeed. Our future as a country and as a people depend on knowing what the truth is and sidelining the fact spinners on the left.
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One thing I am very thankful for this time around is that our military stands head and shoulders above the vietnam era. It could prove quite the difference. Vietnam took a decade to unfold, in another 8 years Iraq will not resemble Vietnam in the least.
I'm actually excited about the future.
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John:
I hope you are right.
What makes you feel so positive about the future in Iraq and the middle east at large?
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August 07, 2004
BOOING
But I thought Fox News was the crazy unbalanced one? At least they're not
booing anyone...
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But that booing was ... objective. Did you expect the Unity Convention to be silent before the world's worst Europpressor? Suppressing their criticism of color would be Racist (tm).
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July 28, 2004
POLLSTER
I read that stuff about 40% of Canadian teens saying the US is a "force for evil". Whatever. But I was interested in this part of the
article:
“What they’re reacting to is a sense that the U.S. is belligerent,” said the pollster who conducted the phone survey, Greg Lyle. “The U.S. is sort of bellicose, warmongering [and has] this sort of cowboy diplomacy.”
But former Canadian diplomat Martin Collacot says the teens are responding to cues from their government, the media and their teachers.
How about they're responding to cues from the pollster? I hope this quote was taken out of context, because when the pollster himself thinks Americans are warmongers, it might have an effect on the way he words his questions or interprets his data. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe 40% of Canadian kids really are that ignorant without any cues at all.
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At least 40% of Canadian kids are that ignorant. Trust me on this one. And they're taught it in school.
Posted by: David at July 28, 2004 07:49 AM (utzkC)
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If you watch the morbidly obese degenerate subhuman's 'Bowling for Columbine' you would think Canada is paradise compared to America. But then why is their suicide rate even higher than America's???????
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at July 28, 2004 02:59 PM (aSTx+)
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'...why is their suicide rate even higher than America's?' Because they have nothing worth living for. Their socialist cradle-to-grave system deprives the citizenry the priviledge to struggle, the sense of achievement as a result of such struggle. The Swiss suicide rate is pretty high too, and the German military's suicide rate is higher than American military's in Iraq. Nothing to die for = nothing to live for.
Posted by: ic at July 29, 2004 04:37 AM (yJngx)
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The suicide rate of French civilians in peacetime is higher than that of US soldiers in combat in Iraq!
Posted by: Tanker Schreiber at July 29, 2004 11:27 AM (I/JDe)
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As always I love how furryners think "cowboy" is a derogatory term.
Then again, in parts of America "European" is considered a derogatory term, but at least there's more historical and mythical precedence for that one.
Roy Rogers never started world wars.
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at July 29, 2004 05:19 PM (q1aeu)
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It appears that Canadian schools are teachng the same liberalism that infects U.S. schools. Liberals believe that they can do whatever they please when it suits their own particular needs. They absolutely fail to realize that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...And it is the few, with their cacaphony of hatred, that are being allowed control of our nations. Hatred is an illogical emotion that motivates illogical behavior. "Fear leads to hate, and hate leads to the Dark Side." (Star Wars, Yoda). How does it feel to be governed by hatred Canada?
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July 26, 2004
RESPONSIBILITY
Normally I avoid reading things I have to register for, but I was so intrigued by this NYTimes title that I had to go through the rigamarole:
Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?. I really recommend it; it's an honest admission that the NYTimes is "of course" liberal.
However, I did notice one thing that always makes me prickle, something that I also noticed when Atrios' gang descended on me a few months ago: the Left often uses religion as the only line in the sand. The Right doesn't like the NYTimes because of the risque fashion models, articles on gay marriage, and evolutionary theory in the science section. Sarah doesn't like this poll because she's an "evangelical Christian" who refuses to listen to reason. In fact, in discussing evolution in the science section, the author says:
Newspapers have the right to decide what's important and what's not. But their editors must also expect that some readers will think: "This does not represent me or my interests. In fact, it represents my enemy." So is it any wonder that the offended or befuddled reader might consider everything else in the paper - including, say, campaign coverage - suspicious as well? [emphasis added]
So people on the Right think that those who support evolution are "the enemy", and therefore we shouldn't listen to anything else they have to say? Please.
What about all the people I've met on the Right who are atheists? They don't fall into the stereotype that the NYTimes just laid out: either you're happy that the "articles containing the word 'postmodern' have appeared in The Times an average of four times a week this year" or you're a close-minded fuddy-duddy evangelical Christian who wants the Ten Commandments in every courthouse and a cap in every black ass. Ridiculous.
What about all the people I've met on the Right who are libertarians? They don't fit the stereotype either. Some don't like gay marriage, or do believe in "one nation under God", but they still don't think the government has any business poking a nose in. They believe in personal responsibility instead of the "my way is right and you're the enemy" dichotomy the NYTimes set up.
In fact, I'd say a lot of us belong on the Right not because of our religious views but because of our views on Responsibility. (If you've never read Bill Whittle's essay, now's a good time...)
One of the things that makes the current political debate so rancorous is that we do a lot of talking past each other, because the old labels no longer seem to apply. Rachel Lucas is a gun-toting, idiot-intolerant, pro-gay, pro-choice conservative. My Liege Lord and Master, Emperor Misha I, the Hammer of Idiotarians, is a deeply religious, formidably armed firebrand who smashes with righteous fury any homophobic or racist morons who darken his cyberdoor. And Kim Du Toit, the rootinÂ’-est, tootinÂ’-est bad-ass hombre who ever lived, a veritable poster boy for the idea of an assault rifle in every crib, is a former South African who marched in the streets against racism and took huge risks fighting for the equality of all of his fellow citizens before he came home to America.
They, like me, call themselves conservatives, but we are indeed a new breed: pro-choice, pro-gay, vigorous defenders of equality of race, religion, gender and sexual orientation. WeÂ’re big on freedom and big on responsibility.
The left hates us. We are harder to attack than the racist, homophobic, misogynists that they formerly could comfortably lambaste as right-wingers. (And they deserved to be lambasted, by the way – and I’m not even sure what lambasting is, but it does sound nasty and severe.)
The point is this: labels donÂ’t really work. As one of my readers brilliantly pointed out in my comments section, itÂ’s not like the vast sensible middle of the nation is divided into Red and Blue camps, Republicans vs. Democrats, Liberals vs. Conservatives, Left vs. Right. TodayÂ’s politics are more like a RubikÂ’s cube, where someone you may stand shoulder-to-shoulder with on one subject, can become, with a simple twist of the issues, a bitter opponent in some other fight.
This is where WhittleÂ’s Theory of Political Reduction comes in handy. (If thatÂ’s too wordy we can call it BillÂ’s Electric Razor.)
I contend that there is a single litmus that does indeed separate the nation and the world into two opposing camps, and that when you examine where people will fall on the countless issues that affect our society, this alone is the indicator that will tell you how they will respond.
The indicator is Responsibility.
I appreciate that Daniel Okrent of the NYTimes can at least see that his paper doesn't exactly represent the views of a large chunk of America, but I wish he wouldn't naively herd us all into the "intolerant right-wing nutjob Christian" group that the Left thinks we all belong in. There are a plethora of reasons that the NYTimes disgusts me, and virtually none of them have anything to do with religion.
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Yeah, but Okrent was talking about
creationists, not The Right (it was in the part of the paragraph you left out of the quote). He merely states that some people do not like evolutionary theory so will judge the NYTimes other coverage on the basis of their disdain of the Times' science coverage.
Posted by: Sander at July 26, 2004 01:25 PM (9v8mw)
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I thought that's what I said...? Was that not clear? Call it "creationists" or "the Right", whatever, Okrent is saying that if you disagree based on your religious views, you won't like what the rest of the paper is saying. I think that's a load of crap. It's a guise for the left-leaning NYTimes to be able to say that the only reason readers on the Right don't like their coverage is because of their religious views, which I reject. The problems at the NYTimes are deeper than religious differences...
Posted by: Sarah at July 26, 2004 02:03 PM (FyW95)
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On the first point, I don't believe so. Okrent makes a distinction of various groups on the right. As an example he picks out creationists and the Science coverage.
On the second point, I think Okrent has a point. He didn't say that
every creationist won't like the other coverage per se, he said 'some readers'. It's not psychologically implausible to associate parts of something to the whole.
Yes, the examples Okrent uses have a religious undertone, but only if you believe that the socially conservative believers represent all believers. He explicitly (but jokingly) states the groups he believes could take offence to the Times coverage ("devout Catholics, gun owners, Orthodox Jews, Texans").
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't see the inference you read in it.
Posted by: Sander at July 26, 2004 08:47 PM (3nJmx)
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July 24, 2004
FLIGHT 93
If there are any faceless people I love as much as our servicemembers, they are the people of Flight 93. I didn't know a single one of them, yet their bravery has always made me so proud. If I ever heard
anyone put down these heroic passengers, I'd kick him in the teeth, which is why this
horrific headline makes me nauseous. I know they finally fixed it, but who on earth greenlighted that asinine headline in the first place? (And what's the deal with
mismatched headlines popping up all over the place? Do journalists put their stories into a Headline Generator and pull out the worst title they can find?)
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DIG
Here's an interesting little dig I found in the
MSN movie review for
Day After Tomorrow:
The Story: A paleoclimatogist (Dennis Quaid) races to save the world and his Manhattan-trapped son (Jake Gyllenhaal) from an impending Ice Age brought on by the effects of global warming (or, as the gun-shy Fox marketers call it, "global climate change"), which causes cataclysmic hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, hail, heat and a colossal tidal wave. Not for the weatherphobic.
Couldn't resist getting that dig against Fox in there, could you? Even though the cause of global warming could possibly be the sun and not humans, and the whole scare could be a bunch of b.s., let's find a way to blame the biased Fox News for it...
Sheesh.
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That is why I am not completely sure I want to see the movie. It appears to be as much a propaganda film as Farenheit 9/11. However, the action in the trailers looks interesting, and I always like the weather and nature based disaster films.
Posted by: NightHawk at July 21, 2004 11:43 AM (caz42)
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hey girl this is the only way i can get to ya war in iraq sucks but when you go out on missions and you see all the kids waving and sticking up there thumbs it really helps sure i do miss my wife ,my beautiful wife erin and i will see her again but she and i both know that not only are we making a better life for the iraqi childrens future i am also planting seeds for the children of erin and my future i love youguys so much this has nothing to do with anything on your website just thought i would tell you guys we are all ok and we miss everyone like crazy give erin a huge bear hug for me and let her know i am always thinking of her remember all of us in your prayers
GHOSTRIDER 4 OUT!!!!!!
Posted by: mark at July 22, 2004 02:44 AM (0ozrZ)
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Does anyone else think it strange call an Ice Age the result of global
warming?
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July 16, 2004
July 15, 2004
POLL
I hesitate to even say the p-word here on my blog again, in light of what happened last time, but Joshua Sharf has an
interesting post about the new WaPo poll.
(By the way, if you're not reading Oh, That Liberal Media every day, you're missing out on some shocking stuff.)
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On the other hand, if you're reading 'O,
That Liberal Media' every day, you get a completely biased picture of the media. Try
CJR Campaign Desk instead.
Posted by: Sander at July 15, 2004 02:21 PM (3nJmx)
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GASP
Surprise, surprise. Someone at the NYTimes is
donating money to Kerry. Gasp.
(via Iraq Now)
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See...If you lived here in NYC, you would know that the NY Times is *sponsoring* the Republican National Convention. But you don't live here and spout off about the Times anyway.
BTW, who is Rupert Murdoch giving money to? Well just in 2004 he did the following:
$25,000 to Republican National Cmte
$2,000 to Ryan, Jack
$2,000 to Jones, Bill
More at:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?Order=D&txtName=MURDOCH%2C&txtState=&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&txt2000=Y&txt1998=&txt1996=&txt1994=&txt1992=&txt1990=&txtSoft=N
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NAZI
Tim found a good article by John Leo about
the power of blogging.
Plus I read another Leo article and found this line, about googling Bush=Hitler, hysterical:
The odd thing is that I typed in the names of every Nazi I ever heard of, excluding only Hitler himself, and the group total was still less than George Bush gets alone. This might indicate that either that George Bush is by far the second most important Nazi of all time, or that the Democrats and the left now require some sedation.
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Posted by: sTEVE at July 15, 2004 09:18 AM (8HxzN)
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If you google "igniting", "farts", and "jpg", my blog comes up. I don't know why, as I've never blogged about igniting farts, nor do I have any jpegs of the sport. All I can figure is that Karl Rove has google-bombed me somehow.
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June 27, 2004
PRICE
Wretchard writes of the price our Soldiers had to pay to
prevent the media from having "quagmire" footage. It pains me that they have to play that kind of game.
MORE TO GROK:
I'd much rather see this movie, made by an anti-war fellow who was looking for the truth.
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Michael Moore's new documentary on the war in Iraq and Bush lies is a real eye opener.
If only the media had shown as much courage a year ago as Moore does in this film our soldiers would probably not be sacrificing their lives in vain today.
Posted by: dc at June 27, 2004 03:43 PM (s6c4t)
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Why does dc have to be kidding? Tons of conservatives are feeling this way. Lew Rockwell published a good piece on his site, for instance. Click on the URL I left to check it out.
Posted by: bos at June 27, 2004 05:31 PM (WJFwN)
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No, I am not kidding. I am surprised that you would think a search for the truth is something to kid about though, especially with a husband serving in the military.
See the film. Think about the propaganda we where deluged with from the mainstream media leading up to this war. It is not disrespectful to your husband to distrust the administration and the media and any others whose hand put him his untenable situation.
Posted by: dc at June 27, 2004 06:23 PM (s6c4t)
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There's some interesting discussion about Moore's movie going on over at
slashdot.org, and you can get to it
here. (The link I gave is threshold of 5 to remove a bunch of the junk comments... the default conversation is
here and is
huge.)
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cj, yes, I was talking about that conservative critique. The link was connected to my name. What do you think? I know it made me a lot more open-minded about the film. There a lot of stories going around about Republicans changing their minds after seeing the film.
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bos,
It is interesting... I can't say too much, as I haven't done much reading on Rockwell or Grigg, nor have I seen the film (yet), but I'm more motivated to see it now, especially after having read all of the comments on slashdot. And sarah, that is an interesting film that you link to, and I'm wondering what I'd have to do to see it (unless I missed an obvious link somewhere?).
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Seems like an infestation......
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Hmmm, I just read that 'conservative critique'. Seemed pretty empty of content other than to say "Bush is bad, and oh, I'm a conservative so it means more when I say it." No substantial discussion of the movie, it's pros or cons. The fact that the movie is provably pushing deliberate falsehoods.
Oh, and if you want to cite this as an impartial, or even conservative writer who was swayed by the movie, try to find someone who doesn't already think of the president as a "Bu'ushist" (an oh-so-witty take off of Ba'athist.
Michael Moore has produced a work of propaganda. This is not truth, nor a documentary. It is selected clips, selected facts, and selected interviews, not presented because they represent a wide sample of American opinion or history, but because they fit the mindset he wants to perpetuate. Anyone who sees this movie and thinks that it resembles the truth and uses at a basis for their worldview has a serious wake-up call coming. The pure hypocrisy to claim that Bush lied to get us into this misbegottenwar, all the while lying to his audience is astounding. Anyone who can use google to find out that Richard Clarke signed the order to let the Bin Laden's leave the US can demonstrate that this movie is flat out bullshit.
My 5 year old newphew can prove this movie is crap, yet there are apparently loads of people out there who don't have that same ability.
Granted, he is home schooled so he is quite a bit more educated than average, but he's still 5.
Pathetic.
Oh, and it means more when I say it cause I'm an ultra-liberal.
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So, John, have you seen the movie?
Posted by: Sander at June 28, 2004 11:36 AM (3nJmx)
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Wow, John, you sound angry. "Infestation"? Anyone who disagrees is vermin, is that it?
So far, besides hairsplitting about the fact that Richard Clarke while a high official in the White House allowed the Bin Ladens to leave the US right after 9/11 (but this is somehow very different from the White House allowing it), the Move America Forward people haven't come up with much against this movie. Most reviewers across the board say its main points stand up. Fox news gave it a positive review!
Speaking of lying, Move America Forward called itself a grassroots organization, but was caught as founded by GOP lawyers.
Since I first wrote I have met two Republicans who are going to vote against Bush. Something is happening.
Posted by: bos at June 28, 2004 11:38 AM (WJFwN)
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Do not presume to put words in my mouth, the term vermin comes from you, not me. If you do not understand the first post, ask and I will explain. I'm sure Sarah understands it on more than just a base level, and it is meant for her and not you, as this is her site.
I do not need to see this movie. I have researced it, read reviews both pro and con. I understand what his point is without setting foot in the theater, his aims, views, and methods are pretty transparent and easily digested. To defend this movie as anything other than pure propaganda is really a stretch if not done at least tongue in cheek.
I see you equate the media coverage before the war with propaganda:
"Think about the propaganda we where deluged with from the mainstream media leading up to this war. It is not disrespectful to your husband to distrust the administration and the media and any others whose hand put him his untenable situation. "
The term "Rush to War" is propaganda pushing a war? I seem to recall many conditions set not by the administration, but by the media, the public, indeed the world, that were met and surpassed. Yet you claim that Michael Moore is speaking the truth?
Heh, wow.
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Oh, I forgot to mention, I just met two Nader supporters who were disillusioned and are now going to vote Libertarian.
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@John,
via Atrios, from
FAIR:Seventy-six percent of all sources were current or former officials, leaving little room for independent and grassroots views. Similarly, 75 percent of U.S. sources (199/267) were current or former officials.
At a time when 61 percent of U.S. respondents were telling pollsters that more time was needed for diplomacy and inspections (2/6/03), only 6 percent of U.S. sources on the four networks were skeptics regarding the need for war.
Sources affiliated with anti-war activism were nearly non-existent. On the four networks combined, just three of 393 sources were identified as being affiliated with anti-war activism-- less than 1 percent. Just one of 267 U.S. sources was affiliated with anti-war activism-- less than half a percent.
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Overall, 68 sources, or 17 percent of the total on-camera sources, represented skeptical or critical positions on the U.S.'s war policy-- ranging from Baghdad officials to people who had concerns about the timing of the Bush administration's war plans. The percentage of skeptical sources ranged from 21 percent at PBS (22 of 106) to 14 percent at NBC (18 of 125). ABC (16 of 92) and CBS (12 of 70) each had 17 percent skeptics.
So 1.5 hours of a POV from the anti-war side pales in comparison to pre-war pro-war voices.
And please, just go see the damn thing (download it from some p2p network if you don't want to give the man your money) and give your opinion (YOUR opinion) then.
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John,
Yes, please do explain your first post ("Seems like an infestation..."), if that is alright; I am also curious as to its meaning.
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Isn't Lew Rockwell a LaRouchie or a Buchannite? Isn't he one of those people who believes that Jews are in control of American foreign policy?
Not any kind of conservative I'm familliar with...
Posted by: Joe Schmoe at June 28, 2004 08:45 PM (IGZtU)
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>>>I see you equate the media coverage before the war with propaganda:
"Think about the propaganda we where deluged with from the mainstream media leading up to this war. It is not disrespectful to your husband to distrust the administration and the media and any others whose hand put him his untenable situation. "<<<
The New York Times recently offered a semi-apology for it's shoddy reporting on WMD leading up to the war. The source for it's false reports turns out to have been Chalabi, with confirmations from the Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz crowd in the administration. The stories were all false, not a shred of truth among them.
The CIA warned the administration that Chalabi was not to be trusted. But it seems he served the purpose of the war crowd to well to be dismissed.
I think it is safe to call those stories and others like them 'propaganda'. They certainly were not the truth and they served the interests of the admininstration who wanted to go to war with Iraq and needed to convince the public to follow.
BTW Chalabi it turns out, along with being a convicted felon in Syria for bank fraud, was an agent for Iran. After given top secret briefings by high level administration figures he passed this information to Iran. Now Iran knows we cracked their encryption and knows how our military strategist deploy forces in the face of an uprising.
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bos, cjstevens and dc, it means you are trolls....
Why you choose to comment here otherwise is beyond me. I have seen no attempts at rational discussion, nor any give and take, only attempts to club sarah and other over the head with your worldview.
Get your own blog....
Atrios... yeah, there is a non biased source of information. Show me the raw numbers you cite, not the extracts that Atrios pushes.
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Why you choose to comment here otherwise is beyond me.
This is the Internet. I first arrived at this block from a Google Search for "grok the vote" (a spin on MTV's
Rock The Vote), which I thought would be a good name for a website designed to motivate the tech or "geek" communities to become politically involved. No website with such a name existed, and Sarah's blog came out as the top-ranked search result. It interested me, so I decided to stay and read. I'd make the analogy of someone standing at a street corner with a sign and leaflets. Some passers-by will invariably pick up a handout even if no attempt is made to give them one. Word will get around; discussions will start. This is, in my opinion, A Good Thing (TM).
I have seen no attempts at rational discussion . . .
Fine: dc used the word "propaganda" first, then eventually followed up with a mention of a publication in the New York Times. Sure, I'd also like to see a link to an article. You used the word "propaganda" and offered nothing. When sander gave information on news outlets skeptical to U.S. war policy, you struck down his source. Fine, I'd like to see "raw numbers" as well... from him and you. Let's all hold one another to the same standard.
. . . nor any give and take . . .
Well, I can speak for myself: I offered no rational discussion, nor did I pretend to; I gave only links and questions. You admit that you have not seen the movie (at least you are honest here) and then state that it is "not truth, nor a documentary" and give no reasons why. How does that allow for "give and take?" Perhaps we aren't as enlighened as your 5-year old. Help us along; that's how knowledge is spread.
. . . only attempts to club sarah and other over the head with your worldview.
Would you point out where we have "clubbed" sarah over the head? This is part of the problem with a pure-text medium: oftentimes, words alone aren't sufficient to convey a good sense of meaning or intent, like vocal cues or body language would in an in-person conversation. When I asked Sarah if she knew more information about
Gunner Palace, I was being serious and honestly curious; I meant no malice at all. Perhaps you took my question as sarcasm? And now that you mention it, explain what my
worldview is.
Get your own blog....
And from earlier:
If you do not understand the first post, ask and I will explain. I'm sure Sarah understands it on more than just a base level, and it is meant for her and not you, as this is her site.
I'll repeat it: this is the
Internet. In posting something on a web server, you make it public; you share it with the connected world. You -allow- people to read it. To assume otherwise is to invite disappointment; I presume you understand this already, as you have your own blog. If a bunch of kiddies filled your page with obscene language and senseless yelling, I'd expect you to get angry. The other people in this thread have done nothing comparable, however. We may be heated, but your comments suggest that you top us all currently in the thermal department.
What's the point of having a discussion with only those who agree with you? I'm glad that I found sarah's blog; I frequent it because it challenges me to think, and I have found other interesting and mind-challenging sites through it. Yes, I and others will say things that will miff her and others as well, but we can deal with that; are we not adults? You even voluntarily linked to your blog right in this thread; is that an invitation to visit it? I can't quite imagine how furious you would get if we "trolls" mentioned our "worldview" in your very own comments pages.
There are publishing mediums on the Internet that allow users to control access to their posts.
Livejournal is one of these, and I'm sure there are others that give more features and flexibility. I don't know if sarah expected or was prepared for the popularity her site has begun to receive. And for the record, sarah: if you want me to stop visiting your site, I will respect your wishes, no questions asked. Just be aware that your site's popularity may continue to increase, bringing surprises both good and bad. But enough of me; I depart from this thread.
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@John & cjstevens, I didn't even link to Atrios, only the
Fair report. The frequency tables are in there.
On sources,
of course Atrios is biased (so are you and so is almost everybody else), but being biased doesn't necessarily mean you peddle in untruths, but does mean you often report what you find interesting. Now if you can find a counterpoint to this report I'm happy to hear it.
Posted by: Sander at June 29, 2004 06:39 AM (9v8mw)
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CJ, thanks for laying it all out so politely and succintly. I hope that you get good responses from the laptop warriors in your efforts out there. From what I have seen they usually get belligerent, defensive or just run and hide after yelling "troll".
Posted by: bos at June 29, 2004 06:50 AM (WJFwN)
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