September 25, 2005
BLACK SANDS OF PROTEST
I've been reading through official reports and blog posts about the anti-war ralley in D.C., and I've been getting increasingly grumpy. The
google experiment posts really chap my hide. Are reporters really just glossing over Brian Becker's credentials, or saying that Cuddy is a "novice"? Aren't there any internet connections in newsrooms? All it took was ten seconds on google to show these people's true colors.
But what got me the most was this acute statement at Protein Wisdom:
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While united against the war, political beliefs varied in the Washington crowd. Paul Rutherford, 60, of Vandalia, Mich., said he is a Republican who supported Bush in the last election and still does except for the war.
“President Bush needs to admit he made a mistake in the war and bring the troops home, and let’s move on,” he said. His wife, Judy, 58, called the removal of Saddam Hussein “a noble mission” but said U.S. troops should have left when claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction proved unfounded.
“We found that there were none and yet we still stay there and innocent people are dying daily,” she said.
Only in a story that is desperately trying to hide its bias would the author find, foreground, and quote, as her initial interviewees, a couple who are surely the least politically representative of all those attending this rally: a pro-Bush Republican tandem so unversed in the Administration’s reasons for being in Iraq that they believe we should pull out before the mission is completed, and are basing that belief on a tired liberal talking point that conveniently ignores all the other reasons the Bushies outlined for the Iraq campaign. So, while Ms Kerr is certainly correct to note that political beliefs among the rallyers varies, her choice to highlight the most unrepresentative of the variants to open the story betrays her own rhetorical agenda—and does so in a way that is so obvious I’d be surprised to learn she thought it might actually fool anyone.
That is just the thing that might slip by an unperceptive reader like me, but Jeff Goldstein is a top-rate grokker. Out of the thousands (maybe) of people at the protest, this reporter handpicks the one middle-aged Republican couple. As if they're even representative of the type of folks there in D.C. Come on, they're thrown in the article with Brian Becker and Cindy Sheehan, for pete's sake. You know this AP reporter had to interview dozens of people before she got this money-shot couple. Oooh, look, they used to support Bush!
God, this reminds me so much of Whittle's fable of Noam Chomsky and the Black Sand:
LetÂ’s say we stand overlooking the ocean along Pacific Coast Highway. From high atop the cliffs, we look down to the waves and the sand below. I ask you what color the beach is. You reply, reasonably enough, that it is sandy white. And you are exactly right.
However, there are people who cannot see the beach for themselves because they are not standing with us on this very spot. This is where Noam earns his liberal sainthood. Noam takes a small pail to the beach and sits down in the sand.
If you’ve ever run sand through your fingers, you know that for all of the thousands upon thousands of white or clear grains, there are a few dark ones here and there, falling through your fingers. With a jewelers loupe and an EXCEEDINGLY fine pair of tweezers, you carefully and methodically pluck all of the dark grains you can find – and only the dark grains – and carefully place them, one by one, into your trusty bucket.
It will take you a long time – it has taken Chomsky decades – to fill this bucket, but with enough sand and enough time, you will eventually do so. And then, when you do, you can make a career touring colleges through the world, giving speeches about the ebony-black beaches of Malibu, and you can pour your black sand onto the lectern and state, without fear of contradiction, that this sand was taken from those very beaches.
And what you say will be accurate, it will be factually based, and you will be lying like the most pernicious son of a bitch that ever lived.
This Republican couple was the black grain of sand at this anti-war ralley, but they're put in the article to create a fake sense of balance. Yeah, sure, the Mall is teeming with patchouli-smelling, underarm-hairy hippies, but hey, there's also a Republican couple from a blue state there! It's completely sneaky and false to claim that "political beliefs varied in the Washington crowd" because you found one couple who wasn't wearing a Rachel Corrie shirt or raving about how it's all the Jooooooos fault.
It all goes back to the premise of The Argument Culture: take every issue and show that it has two sides. But if there were 2000 protesters in D.C., and even 50 of them were former-Republicans, they're a small minority. Don't interview one moonbat and one Republican and then say that the anti-war rally represented a wide spectrum of beliefs. That's completely disingenuous, because the sands of this anti-war protest were not black.
UPDATE:
Nearly everyone in the comments section is missing the point. Yes, I'm aware of the President's approval ratings. I do not deny the fact that some people who voted for him might not support the war. What I said, however -- if you actually listened to my words and didn't infer whatever you wanted so you could rant about approval ratings and WMDs -- was that those people are likely not representative of the folks who attend anti-war rallies. Look at any collection of photos from the rally and you'll see folks waving Palestinian flags and wearing keffiyeh and crap. That's the face of the hardcore anti-war protester, so it's journalistically dishonest to seek out the most mainstream protesters and paint them as the norm.
My post was about the journalist's manipulation; it had nothing to do with President Bush's approval ratings. Please stop taking my writing off into tangents I never intended.
MORE TO GROK:
Here's another example of "lying like the most pernicious son of a bitch that ever lived"...
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I read that last comment, and I stand amazed that anyone can accuse "the Left" of repeating talking points. Didn't I hear that same screed from Ann Coulter on Fox last week?

In the last two elections, the Democrat won a majority of votes in one and came extraordinarily close in the second. So tell me again how liberalism has been "rejected with prejudice," or whatever you said.
Actually, this kind of ties into the main point that I wanted to make, which is that this Jeff fellow's analysis of how this reporter was manipulating the story is pretty manipulative in its own right. He calls the couple in question "a pro-Bush Republican tandem so unversed in the AdministrationÂ’s reasons for being in Iraq that they believe we should pull out before the mission is completed." Ah, so everyone who favors a pullout (which I don't---we broke it, we own it) is "unversed" in the reasons Bush gives for why were there. No possibility that someone could be familiar with those reasons and just not accept them? No room for honest disagreement?
By the way, look at Bush's declining approval ratings. You think that people who voted for him but now oppose the war are really that rare?
Posted by: Pericles at September 25, 2005 09:19 AM (EpPuP)
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It's unfortunate that anyone who doesn't think that you should be in Iraq is supposedly 'unversed' in US politics.
From the outside, the biggest problem I see in US politics and political beliefs is that you guys never allow for the other side to have a point.
That at this point it would be foolish and dangerous to remove the troops is damn right, the invasion did fuck up a country beyond repair; however, the country shouldn't have been invaded and just about everyone agrees that the reasons given were false. It follows naturally that some people, republicans and democrats alike, will think it wise to leave, and that others of both sides will think it wise to stay. They are opinions, and as such, neither is wrong.
It's too bad you deny offhand anything that disagrees with your stand. I find I learn more from those that don't believe the same things I do, because they make me see sides of things that I wouldn't have thought of on my own.
Posted by: Julie at September 25, 2005 09:55 AM (9oT36)
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I just find that "the other side" continually charges that the rationale behind the invasion was unjust and that our continued actions in Iraq are immoral, a little on the naive side.
Just about everyone in the civilized world believed that Saddam had WMD, the capability to deliver them (be that at the tip of an illegally possessed missile system or in the trunk of a beater automobile), as well as the will to give their employment a try in the 2002-2003 timeframe. It's not as if the period between 1991-2001 had not given Mr. Hussein ample opportunity to open his nation to UN inspectors. He just chose to play a game of deception and obfuscation with them. If he didn't have them...he sure wanted the inspectors to believe that he did.
The next item we should note is that there was a period where there weren't ANY inspectors inside Iraq. In that timeframe, isn't it possible that Hussein's regime did a little housecleaning and either hid them exceedingly well or shipped them off to a neighboring ally (cough...cough....Syria)? What opponents to the war seem to want to claim is that our presence in Iraq from 2003 to present has proved a negative...that Saddam didn't possess WMDs. I'm sorry, but I just seem to recall that proving a negative is something that is impossible to do. Be they buried in the remote sands deep underground or they're in some laboratory in Syria, I believe that they did exist...and one day will be found.
Back to the anti-war movement. I would hope that those on the "other side" would be smart enough to realize that the die has been cast and we'll be there until the Iraqis can take over for themselves. You can rant and rave, but this president has made the call. Yes, it's like an umpire...but you cannot have the leader of the greatest nation on the planet play wishy washy games with our foreign policy. Can't the "other side" simply sit back and hope for the best? Leaving right now just isn't the best move available for us. We are doing good in the Middle East...if polls (the other side seems to love them when they back up their own ideas) are correct, the US has made a great deal of progress in swaying the Muslim mind.
I say we keep up the fight...rebuild a human intelligence capability that will replace the one systematically dismantled by the previous administration and try not to make the same mistake twice. If there are some in this country unwilling to believe that this is "my country right or wrong" then let's be able to throw some definitive proof in their faces.
Sorry for the rambling rant...but I thought it was time.
See you on the high ground.
MajorDad1984
Posted by: MajorDad1984 at September 25, 2005 10:29 AM (tdEnf)
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I'll be honest about it: before the war, I certainly assumed that Saddam still had WMDs. It was a reasonable assumption to make. However, before you invade a country, surely you ought to check your assumptions. It appears now that the intel community had a lot of doubts about the existence of the WMDs, but the administration (especially Cheney's office) didn't want to listen and made sure that intelligence briefs would de-emphasize this side of the story. Our major source for the presence of the WMDs is now in an Iraqi prison on fraud charges!

Besides, even if the WMDs were there, there was never a plausible story about why exactly they posed an imminent threat to us. It wasn't like they had just been developed; if they were there, they would have been there for a long time. If Al Queda was going to use them against us, which flies in the face of the relationship between Saddam and Al Queda, why hadn't they done so already?
Finally, suppose Major Dad is there and the weapons are now in Syria. Well, then the war didn't accomplish much, did they? The WMDs would still be in the hands of a Baathist dictatorship, only now it would be one with much stronger ties to terorist groups than Iraq ever had. If that is where the WMDs went, why the heck wasn't there a plan in place to prevent it?
Posted by: Pericles at September 25, 2005 12:24 PM (EpPuP)
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The funny thing about the internet is that it creates these echo chambers where people of some political persuasion can visit and imagine that they are getting the whole story.
Anyone who can stomach going to Little Green Footballs/Free Republic/Atrios/Democratic Underground/whatever-extremist-site and imagine that they are getting a fair view of things has a problem. They are all partisan and all carefully present a view of things that fits their limited set of preconceptions. Worse, The right wing sites have a strong habit of making up facts when they can't find any they like, while the left just tends to skew things.
With support for the war hanging around 40%, and presidential approval around there too, there must be a fair number of people who changed their minds. Those numbers used to be much higher. So if a story finds a some of those people who changed their minds, it shouldn't be surprising. It's not a grain of black sand in a white beach, it's an example of real world people who fit the other data we have.
The fact that you (Sarah) can imagine that it is a bit of black sand suggests that you spend too much time reading extremist views.
Oh, and WRT the war, anyone who looks at this objectively will agree that the war was fought on the basis of many lies. The most serious lie that Bush et al. repeated over and over was the suggestion that Iraq was somehow connected to terrorism. Bush always parsed his words carefully (perhaps he learned from Clinton), but Cheney lied flat out. But if you visit LGF/Freep you still see people asserting that Iraq supported terrorism, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary. Where do the get these weird views? From extremist echo chambers where they can validate each others false beliefs.
The other lie was that Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S. Nobody bothers with that one anymore, now that we see how weak they were, but still goofy conspiracy theories like the 'smuggled into Syria' meme pop up, which Pericles already took to task.
I am saying this not in a spirit of aggression, but out of concern. It is the responsibility of all of us in a Democracy to understand political matters as clearly as possible. While it is more comforting to visit propaganda factories like LGF/Kos that support whatever beliefs we have, it is better to have the courage to be honest and look at these matters critically. Jeff Golstein is the absolute opposite of a grokker - he is a partisan seeking out whatever facts support his beliefs and dropping the rest. Grokking is finding the facts and finding a model that fits all the facts, and if the fact does't fit not ignoring it or glossing it over, but improving the model and dropping beliefs that have been shown to be false.
Posted by: VOT at September 25, 2005 06:51 PM (usuh/)
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The war was to oust Saddam from Kuwait. That war, like the Korean war, had never ended when continuous violations of the cease fire agreement necessitated a resumption and termination of the war.
Our victory in that war was overwhelming and unprecedented. The post war is as rough as Bush said it would be, and reconstruction is going as well as can be expected when the enemy is given hope that just a few more bombs and they win.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis, P.E. at September 25, 2005 09:41 PM (wDJE+)
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So critics of a war are giving hope to the enemy? Then let's start the trials for these traitors, who gave comfort to the enemy in Bosnia:
"You can support the troops but not the president." --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years." --Joe Scarborough (R-FL)
"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?" --Sean Hannity, Fox News,
"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy." --Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy." --Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area." --Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today" --Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." --Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
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Posted by: annika at September 27, 2005 11:43 AM (8aWdz)
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I agree with annika, Sarah, you have a spot-on post here that makes a very important point.
Posted by: Dave at September 27, 2005 12:33 PM (6GFTi)
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Oh now come on... I read the "other example" analysis of a photograph, and it is laughable. Suppose that we assume that the woman in a red t-shirt is a member of a Communist group involved in organizing the march---and I haven't researched it enough to know who the organizers were, so I'm only agreeing that they were Communists for the sake of argument. The fact that she is photographed telling these teenagers where they were supposed to stand---and he looks like a teenager herself, by the way---does nothing to suggest that she "recruited" them to attend. The photograph says nothing about why the marchers are there or how they got there. It seems perfectly reasonable that the organizers of any rally or march would have people there to direct traffic and tell thevarious groups taking part where they are to stand and when they should march. That is all I see in the photograph, and I say that anyone who claims to see more is "lying like the most pernicious son of a bitch that ever lived."
It isn't that I want to defend people at the march, most of whom I probably wouldn't agree with about a lot of things. It is just that when someone is being criticized for a lack of intellectual honesty, the person doing the criticizing had better hold themselves to a pretty high standard. This page reads to me like the pot calling the kettle black.
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September 18, 2005
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I got a big smile when I heard these evacuees on the radio Friday night. I'm glad
Newsbusters got the story online. (And I'm thrilled with Hawkins' Conservative Grapevine, where I often find such gems.):
ABC News producers probably didn't hear what they expected when they sent Dean Reynolds to the Houston Astrodome's parking lot to get reaction to President Bush's speech from black evacuees from New Orleans. Instead of denouncing Bush and blaming him for their plight, they praised Bush and blamed local officials.
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Not one of the six people interviewed on camera had a bad word for Bush -- despite Reynolds' best efforts.
Go read the transcript and see how bamboozled Reynolds was that these evacuees have faith in our president.
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I watched that as well and was smiling the entire time. It was great to see the media run up against reality and have their warped ideas get a beating. Right after the hurricane I saw two different networks try to get experts on the climate to agree that global warming was causing an increase in the number and severity of hurricanes. On both occasions it was pretty contentious as the talking head kept asking "but, isn't it true that..." and the scientist would reply "absolutely not, that is the most ridiculous thing I have heard."
Posted by: Cerberus at September 18, 2005 05:15 PM (nzIoS)
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It's nice to see things like that happen from time to time...
The federal response to Katrina while flawed, seems to be better coordinated than the one we saw from the state/local leaders in Louisiana. Ray Nagin doesn't know whether to cr@p or wind his watch at this point...
"C'mon back to New Orleans...I'm opening the Quarter."
"Mandatory evacuation due to Hurricane Rita!"
Maybe it would be best to wait until the hurricane season was over AND the levee systems are completely inspected and repaired before bringing anyone back to New Orleans...unless they intend on working side by side with the folks that were trying to bring the city back to life.
See you on the high ground.
MajorDad1984
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August 17, 2005
HATE
I read the book
Bias in two days; I couldn't put it down. Goldberg's argument is that the media skews left not because of some conspiracy but because those in the media don't recognize their worldview as being liberal; they simply see themselves as rational and reasonable. The problem is that a big chunk of America doesn't see the world the way they do.
My husband and I saw a good example of this subtle liberalism in the media on our vacation. We were watching Dateline in the hotel, a segment on gay adoption. The story of two lesbians opened with "It was a fairy tale romance..." My husband guffawed, "I don't know what fairy tales they've been reading!" I personally don't have any problem with homosexuals, and in select cases I don't have a problem with gay adoption, but I do raise my eyebrows at lesbian romance being called "fairy tale". Who wrote that line? And how many people let it slide? Did no one see how odd it sounds? Roughly half of the US population doesn't support gay adoption and probably doesn't consider lesbians to be the stuff of tales and legends. But to the liberals in the media, this statement was unobjectionable.
Yesterday I saw a Law & Order: SVU that made me cringe. The episode, called "Hate", featured the death of two Muslims. Guess who did it? Yep, some crazy white kid. Oh, and not like sleeper-cell Muslims; these two were members of an organization where Muslims and Jews work together in harmony. So this white kid kills two of the most sympathetic Muslims in NYC, and then in his uncontrolable rage he stomps to death another Arab in his holding cell. See how racist white people are?
And then the kicker. The DA's office is discussing whether they should charge this guy under hate crime laws. The police captain says that they should because obviously this man "acted out of hate, that matters." The ADA balked, saying that she hesitates to invoke the hate crime legislation too often because of the slippery slope effect. "What if a black man kills a klansman or a gay man kills a homophobe -- where do we draw the line?"
Come again?
Obviously I'm not as rational and reasonable as the show's liberal writers. I personally subscribe to the South Park school of thought when it comes to hate crime laws, but if we're going to have them, then of course I think a black man killing a klansman or a gay man killing a homophobe should count. The underlying message this ADA was sending was that there's a right and wrong way to hate: if a klansman kills a black man, well that's atrocious, but if the black man kills the klansman, well that's justified. What a bunch of BS.
Things like this are the subtle liberal ideas that pervade our media. It is accepted as a given that lesbians live happily ever after and black men should be given some leeway if they kill a racist. Those are the little digs that make me want to shut the TV off and stand barefoot in the kitchen.
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I seem to be surrounded by gay women (especially at work). I've had gay women as roommates from college and after college. The one theme which seems consistent to me about lesbians is that of a dysfunctional family. Could be abusive father, alcoholism...along those lines. I honesty do not believe the majority of women who say they are lesbians really are, I think it's the safer option for them.
Posted by: tonit at August 17, 2005 09:28 AM (SHqVu)
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I can almost see where you're coming from on the "fairy tale" remark - all those cute little happily ever after couples in fairy tales are all straight, so how dare a gay or lesbian couple feel like they're free to see their relationship in those terms. How rude.
As for Tonit's comments, I won't even bother, but it's interesting that they say they are "surrounded by lesbians" but not "friends" with them.
Posted by: Beth at August 17, 2005 12:12 PM (kOF5v)
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Rational and reasoned thought has always been lacking, but moreso since Sept, 11th happened. I
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at August 17, 2005 12:23 PM (Sfcu+)
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...and with your narrow and bigoted points of view, I can also see a future for you being nothing else more than barefoot and preggars, I thought you were a better person than that...never mind...I can choose to not feel my blood pressure rise by reading your opinion, and that's what I'm going to do.
Posted by: nerdstar at August 17, 2005 12:45 PM (jPvjS)
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Romances in fairy tales ususally involve princes and princesses, don't they? So if you are going to be literal enough about what counts as a fairy tale romance, does that mean that the phrase can only be used in connection with royalty? (Not that most of recent royal romances are of what I would call fairy tale quality.)
Posted by: Pericles at August 17, 2005 01:28 PM (hHudX)
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Oh lord, everyone. My point is that a substantial number of Americans don't view the world the way it's portrayed on TV. It's not a personal attack on anyone. I never said that lesbians can't be happy or completely in love...only that there are no same-sex fairy tales. My comment had nothing to do with you, Beth; I never even thought of you when I was writing that because I didn't see it as a dig against homosexuals. I simply pointed out that the media doesn't reflect the views of many Americans, even if I don't agree with those people in this case.
Posted by: Sarah at August 17, 2005 02:04 PM (VFn0R)
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I didn't take the comment personally, I'm just trying to point out a hetero-normative way of viewing things. Yes, I am aware that the operative part of that phrase is normative which is your point. Would you be offended if someone was saying African Americans couldn't use the term fairy tale because they were written by and for white europeans?
Posted by: Beth at August 17, 2005 02:17 PM (kOF5v)
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sarah tv really doesn't and shouldn't in some cases reflect the views of a substanial group of americans.it does it for a reason.that reason ishomosexuality,inter-racial relationships are tolerable,normal and everyday.as far as the hate-crimes aspect goes well it's simple.in nyc white on black crime is racial.black on white crime is crime.not always of course but generally.that's just the way it is.
Posted by: tommy at August 17, 2005 02:20 PM (NMK3S)
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Beth, I don't know if for me the analogy works, because I think I, and most people, think of fairy tale as Prince Charming sweeping the girl off her feet. I do realize that we live in a hetero-normative world, so while I have no problem with gay rights/marriage/adoption, I accept the fact that many in our society don't. Same with the way that I accept that our society is highly Christian, even if I myself am not overly religious. But I think the media does NOT accept these facts and reports based on their personal value system instead of trying to represent the value system of a large portion of Americans.
Posted by: Sarah at August 17, 2005 02:42 PM (VFn0R)
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The liberals, being much smarter than the rest of us, accepted Better Red than Dead as evidence that fighting made no sense. The intelligent person accepted the inevitable and went on from there.
Gays? Piss off. You are not scaring the horses, you are just disgusting them.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at August 17, 2005 03:30 PM (K6i9N)
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WEW, I can't tell whether you are serious or not. If you study 20th century history, though, you'll see that liberals were actually much more willing to fight to restrain communism through most of the period, whereas conservatives tended to be isolationists who weren't worried about stopping the communists until they got to Maine. There is some evidence that Truman nuked Japan not so much to win WWII as to send Stalin a message. It was certainly Truman who sent troops to Korea. And for better or worse, Viet Nam really started under Kennedy and then LBJ.
Posted by: Pericles at August 17, 2005 05:16 PM (hHudX)
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The last liberal was Scoop Jackson. You lost your guts in Vietnam and have been looking for them since. That is why most blue collar democrats are now republicans. There are more important things in life than which party will offer you the biggest bribe for your vote. The liberal domocratic party is founded on the idea of how to bribe the electorate to vote for them. They stand for nothing but economic self interest. Hard to convince anyone to do anything difficult when that is their only motivation.
Posted by: Scott McLennan at August 18, 2005 12:24 AM (mXuc/)
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Now, now... Clinton cut welfare and balanced the budget. Bush created the prescription drug benefit, spends like mad, and runs up the government's credit cards so that he can still cut taxes. So tell me again who is trying to buy votes.
Posted by: Pericles at August 18, 2005 09:11 AM (hHudX)
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Hey Beth - some I'm friends with some I'm not. btw - some were also roommates. Guess everyone lives with people they don't like - right? This wasn't a condemnation of lesbians just my experience with the lesbians I've known.
Posted by: toni at August 18, 2005 09:23 AM (SHqVu)
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Umm.. so I wonder if they would have described two male homosexuals as having a "fairy" tale romance. Just asking.
Posted by: Locomotive Breath at August 28, 2005 10:48 AM (pRZAp)
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I understand where goldburgs written another book that realy takes down the hollywood and liberal idiots i hope to read it soon
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July 25, 2005
WHAT???
I agree with
Lileks that
this is just absurd. The flip-flops were too informal, but John Roberts' family was too
formal? What on earth does that mean? Their children looked nice, for pete's sake. My brothers and I used to wear stuff like that regularly when occasion called for it, like church or family photos. I darn sure think my mom would've made us dress up when we went to
be on TV at the White House! And the caption under the photo is just plain snarky: "Even the clothes are conservative". What could the children have worn to make them look less right-wing, tie-dye and peace signs? Give me, and the Roberts family, a freaking break.
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It is a stupid column, unworthy of a great paper like the WaPo. At the same time, though, I have to admit that I raised an eyebrow at their clothes too, especially the way they dressed their son. Formal versus informal isn't the issue; of course this occasion calls for "conservative" formal dress. The issue is what decade the clothes come from. These folks look like they stepped out of the Eisenhower era. When was the last time you saw a seersucker suit with short pants? At least it isn't a sailor suit, but still...
Posted by: Pericles at July 25, 2005 05:38 PM (hHudX)
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I saw the photos too, and my thoughts were: "Gee didn't Jackie Kennedy and the kids wear stuff like that back in the day?"
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at July 25, 2005 11:13 PM (aHbua)
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How silly. The children and his wife look classy and very nice. Since when has being well turned out become a crime? I think the reporters need a course in Etiquette!
Geesh.
Posted by: Holly at July 26, 2005 12:48 AM (geFXN)
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You know what I thought when I saw the picture? Looks like a French family. I swear, that is how loads of French people dress their kids...totally cute, totally 50s. The last time I saw pants like that was on my French friend's nephews at her wedding 3 months ago. That is not a flashback to the 50s, it's an ode to France. Seriously...I bet you that those clothes came from France, or some French childrens' clothes boutique in D.C.
Anyways, funny how they are just grabbing at straws here.
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at July 26, 2005 01:46 AM (zTqcv)
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I think the reporter, Robin Givhan, needs to get a life! If he/she can't find something of substance to write about other than what the Roberts children were wearing and how outdated they were (which obviously he/she doesn't have young children, and if he/she does, obviously they're not being invited to the White House), I think he/she might consider finding a new profession. I see children dressed like that in church every Sunday; but then, church may be a little too conservative for Robin.
Good grief!
Nancy
Posted by: Nancy Dunn at July 26, 2005 03:03 AM (DljPa)
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Not to be catty... Hell, let's be catty! Robin Givhan doesn't need to get a life, she needs to get some
fashion sense.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 26, 2005 04:56 AM (RbYVY)
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In fairness, she is the fashion editor. It isn't like one of the political writers penned the column; talking about how people are dressed is her job.
Whether a paper needs someone to do that job is another question.
Posted by: Pericles at July 26, 2005 07:35 AM (hHudX)
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Sometimes you just have to get out the old horsewhip and go visit the editor.
Didn't Robin used to be married to Mike Tyson?
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You know what really bugs me? The media bends over backwards to recognize knighthood, but they constantly belittle our president. They make sure to always say
Sir Paul McCartney, but I can't even count the times I've heard the media refer to our president as "Bush". His name is President Bush, you clods.
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Do you have examples of this in the MSM where they don't call him President Bush the first time they refer to him? It would surprise me if that happened too often, although it would be no surprise if you saw a lot of articles where they say President Bush once and simply 'Bush' thereafter; that is just good writing. Do a Google search on "Clinton" site:foxnews.com, and you will see them doing this often for both President and Senator Clinton (with a few articles where their titles never get used even one).
Posted by: Pericles at July 21, 2005 06:51 PM (hHudX)
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Yes, I have examples, but they're oral, so I can't prove to you that it has happened.
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Were these anchorpeople or commentators?
I can't prove this either, but my hunch is that if you went back six years you would see them talking about Clinton the same the way. And if you go back to coverage of the campaign, I bet you would see/hear a zillion references to John Kerry that omitted the title "Senator."
Posted by: Pericles at July 22, 2005 07:50 AM (hHudX)
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just be thankful the MSM doesn't refer to him as "lying motherf****n bush" as a veteran of the first gulf war this clown is the worst president since carter
Posted by: tommy at July 22, 2005 09:59 AM (NMK3S)
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OK, perhaps they've done it to other presidents too; that wasn't my point. My point was how they HEAP respect on celebrities who've randomly been knighted but neglect the same respect for our president.
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celebrities who've randomly been knighted...
I assume you mean someone else who's been "randomly knighted." McCartney's genius and dedication deserves every bit of respect a knighthood would afford.
I wonder if the mark "The Beatles" have left on the world will ever be eclipsed by another musical group?
Posted by: Curtis at July 22, 2005 11:19 AM (GC501)
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Okay, if you aren't trying to complain specifically about how the media treats a conservative President and are just trying to complain about the media's infatuation with the British upper classes, we may have some common ground. The Princess Di worship over here has gone a little overboard, as far as I'm concerned. I've nothing against her, but she didn't walk on water. She was just pretty.
Posted by: Pericles at July 22, 2005 01:51 PM (hHudX)
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Curtis -- Meh. I'm an Elvis man.
Posted by: Sarah at July 22, 2005 04:21 PM (j3A3+)
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Hey Tommy!!!
I dont think any president has been as bad as Carter for the simple fact he came off as a totally powerless president that couldn't make a hard decision.
Remember he was President during the Iran Hostage crisis and he came off as being completely powerless to do anything whatsoever.
This is also the time of our first gas crisis / shortages. Remember the long lines at the gas pumps and only being able to get gas on odd or even numbered days?
While Bush may not be well liked at least there is one thing you can say.
He is a man of action. Maybe not the action we'd like to see but at least he's doing something other than sounding like a ninny like Carter did.
If Carter were president now I doubt we'd be in Iraq. I also doubt we'd be in Afganistan or anywhere else for that matter.
We'd be sitting here waiting for the next attack like wimps and crying about it.
Posted by: G.Schaefer at July 22, 2005 05:07 PM (Pr6kL)
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G. Schaefer, Carter was not the first president to be in office for a "gas shortage", in 1973 the Arabs embargoed oil to protest the U.S. meddling in their affairs, the president in '73? Richard Milhous Nixon. If you look back through history there has been an "oil crisis" about every 30 years or so. So Nixon was probably not even the first president to have this happen to him.
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at July 22, 2005 10:42 PM (aHbua)
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You're right, but it has to go both ways. We have to meticulous about Senator Kennedy and President Clinton while we're ripping them new ones.
Posted by: pedro at July 23, 2005 11:36 AM (b5kM6)
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hey g.schaefer listen bro my biggest problem with bush 43 is very simple.iraq is tough.iran would be 10 times times harder.n korea would be 50.our troops are under-manned,under-funded.and their families are being asked to sacrifice more than should have to.at least when i went to war we all KNEW we were going kick some ass and come home all right.the same can't be said about this conflict.and as a fervent believer in powell doctrine unless you are 100% sure you going to win don't start a f*****n war in the first place.
Posted by: tommy at July 25, 2005 10:05 AM (NMK3S)
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The libs infatuation with British royalty has always made me giggle. Those idiots even learned to curtsy and bow when Charles and Diana visited the US!!! (of course I would never be invited to one of those gigs no matter how much money I might make - because I'd never curtsy to foreign dignitaries)
I couldn't understand why they would pay homage to foreign royalty when they can barely be civil to most Americans especially the President... but so it is. Knighted celebrities are just a couple of steps down from the regular titled aristocrats in Britain.
Heaven forbid you forget to use that title when talking about them, but the President isn't special at all... How hysterical.
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July 02, 2005
RETRACTION
Stars and Stripes issues a
forthright retraction of incorrect data. The mainstream media should take notice of what a real retraction looks like. Stars and Stripes looks classier every day.
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Happy Indpendence Day! My thanks to you for your service and sacrifices. It is because of our military that I am able to celebrate the 4th in freedom and I honor you. Those who would deny the bravery and rightness of our military undoutedly add to the problem of deserters. The retraction was very clear as to how and why as well as giving the accurate info. There are millions at home who support our military--I am just one among many.
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May 29, 2005
SIGACTS
Make sure you read
Michael Yon's post on how the media get their news in Iraq (via LGF). Remember it the next time you read an article about "what's going on" in Iraq.
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Sarah,
I had made a blog comment about Michael Yon's post on the media too. The relationship with media and PAOs is very accurately explained. His explanation of SIGACTS and how they're translated to our disadvantage is also dead on. It was a constant source of frustration. The PAOs were not happy but they knew the news was going out somehow so they might as well try to influence it however they could.
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May 24, 2005
SWEET
(via Bunker)
Bush Country: The Middle East embraces democracy--and the American president by Fouad Ajami
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Why don't we see such thought-provoking stuff in other publications? Do they believe we can't think?
Posted by: Mike at May 24, 2005 07:32 AM (pzzx0)
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Nice to have you back! I enjoy reading your blog, and get a chuckle (and sometimes a tear) out of your insights.
I'm a former Marine and my wife is a schoolteacher. We spent the better part of our first three years of marriage apart as I was constantly deployed. But the last two years of my military time was spent in Okinawa on an accompanied tour with my wife. We had an opportunity to travel many places that we never would have had an oppportunity to visit otherwise (including Germany(Bavaria/Austria) etc).
I love your writing! Please keep it up!
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February 14, 2005
MAD
So 20/20 runs the story of Abu Ghraib, and that photo of the hooded fellow shows up on every news site and I-told-you-so blog. It's on the cover of newspapers and magazines, so everyone knows the Official Symbol of Abu Ghraib Torture.
Friday night, 20/20 ran a story about the UN workers who are raping children in the Congo. They have photos of a French man having sex with hundreds of girls. And what is on the main page of the 20/20 website?
Corey f-ing Feldman.
Oh sure, after you click around, you get some fuzzy photos of freaking nothing at all. I'm not saying we should see this monster with a little girl, but surely there's something a little more damning than that purple wallpaper. Surely there's a Defining Photo that should go on the front page of newspapers and magazines.
Heaven forbid that an investigation of 50 aid workers involving hundreds of raped children -- while Kofi himself said that sexual abuse has "haunted peacekeeping operations for decades" -- should be bigger news than Abu Ghraib.
I guess Corey Feldman's more important.
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My advice, young lady, is to do what I did: stop watching televsion "news". Unless it's on Instapundit, I don't know about it.
Posted by: Sean at February 14, 2005 08:54 AM (37FD7)
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While you may be into child porn and would enjoy seeing a picture of a grownup having sex with a minor it is not something most of us care to look at. Besides it is against the law to posses or provide pictures of naked children.
Posted by: good to go at February 14, 2005 10:44 AM (fLlQ8)
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good to go should really get going.
Apparently by his/her logic we should never expose bad acts, because most people do not enjoy seeing bad things - never mind that people cannot act against bad things if they don't know about them. When someone gets killed or hurt, good to go probably thinks that we should just cover it up.
Anyone who thinks Sarah enjoys child porn from this post needs serious psychiatric evaluation. Perhaps good to go is just projecting his/her sick desires.
Posted by: chris at February 14, 2005 01:07 PM (nyxv/)
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good to go needs to get gone. I understand completely what you're saying. We Americans are always to blame for everything that goes wrong in the world, and yet here is something deeply distrubing that was done by a FRENCH UN peecekeeper and there are pictures of it.
No we don't like looking at pictures of grown men having sex with children, but I didn't like seeing all the pictures of the Abu Ghraib prisoners either. Those soldiers that did that will pay for what they did. And I don't for a minute believe that the only ones raped by the FRENCH UN peacekeeper were children...
I'm with ya Sarah.........
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You should really try to be more careful when you read, and subsequently write. As far as I can tell, it is simply not true that, as you said, "Kofi himself said that sexual abuse has 'haunted peacekeeping operations for decades'...." You are quoting the article, not Kofi Anan. What he actually said (according to the original article in the LA Times) is: "We cannot tolerate even one instance of a United Nations peacekeeper victimizing the most vulnerable among us," Annan's letter said, adding that the sexual abuse did "great harm" to the tradition and honor of U.N. peacekeeping and the reputations of the countries that supply troops. "Most important, however, such behavior violates the fundamental 'duty of care' that United Nations peacekeepers owe to the very peoples they are sent to protect and serve."
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Whether the quote was correct or not, the U.N. has known for decades about this problem, according to my friends who worked for the U.N. on African missions. The U.N. has always looked the other way. With photographic proof, now, Thank goodness, they can't. Or at least we hope not.
Posted by: Oda Mae at February 16, 2005 02:04 AM (cG4V+)
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What peace keepers their papist i tell you the UN has commited more atrocities around the world then you could ever imagine just contact the JOHN BIRTCH SOCIETY and find out about the UN its not for world peace or world understaning its out to control our lives
Posted by: Killdeer at February 26, 2005 11:16 AM (mKzhU)
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February 03, 2005
HUH?
Appears there's an
air of mystery surrounding LTG Sanchez's vist to our post, though I didn't get that impression. He did ask at the beginning of the briefing if there were any journalists present, and when there weren't, he said, "Good." I took that as dislike for the press, not that he was being secretive, but that's probably due to my own dislike. At any rate, whatever your secret is, LTG Sanchez, it's safe with me.
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We were visited by Brig. Gen. Mark P. Hertling in April 2004 right after 1AD was extended, he too asked the journalist question. I can honestly say that I didn't think anything of it.
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January 31, 2005
DUH MOMENT OF THE DAY
Wish I'd thought of what
Thomas Sowell said:
Real insurgents want to get the occupying power out of their country. But the fastest way to get Americans out of Iraq would be to do the opposite of what these "insurgents" are doing. Just by letting peace and order return, those who want to see American troops gone would speed their departure.
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We accuse them of being violent and evil, not smart. If we get the BigZ or OBL some day, things will go along the lines of the PLO. Just another impotent terror org.
Posted by: mdmhvonpa at January 31, 2005 10:31 AM (/D3gv)
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There you go believing in the big lie again.
Bush is building 11 PERMANENT US military bases for his occupation force in Iraq.
Posted by: good to go at January 31, 2005 11:54 AM (fLlQ8)
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Insurgents and democrats just ain't very bright.
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January 22, 2005
ZIGGY
Here's
one guy who was at the inaguration that the MSM didn't introduce us to:

Nearby, Zeqir “Ziggy” Berisha, a native of Kosovo and now a citizen with two sons in the U.S. Army and two in the Marines, waved his flag and shouted support for Bush.
“This nation underneath God is best on Earth!”
Asked about the protesters, he shrugged them off.
“Disagree is good! I disagree with my wife 35 years! Disagree is OK.”
Berisha spoke of how different it was when he was living in Yugoslavia under Josip Broz Tito.
“Tito used to shoot people for speaking against them. He shot two of my friends.”
Berisha is a little more reserved about free speech when it comes to his boys.
“I tell them, you speak against this country, you speak against me!”
Hilarious.
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Posted by: CavalierX at January 22, 2005 02:46 AM (sA6XT)
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Thank you so much for sharing his story with us, Sarah. I agree with CavalierX--What a great American!
Posted by: Beth at January 22, 2005 09:51 AM (+7VNs)
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The people that have lost freedom and regained it, appriciate it the most.
Tell your child that. Tell them of the things that they take for granted. Tell them if they fail, that they not only fail themselves and you, they also fail their country.
This is my post
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
Posted by: Papa Ray at January 22, 2005 01:54 PM (B6ERo)
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What a great story. And the attitude is one that was common before the late '60s.
Posted by: Bunker at January 22, 2005 05:22 PM (FP9A9)
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I have students who are from Eastern Europe.
They know.
Posted by: Patricia at January 25, 2005 10:37 PM (Fg8Ii)
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thanks for showing this great american. by the way, fox news showed mr berisha several times during the parade
Posted by: skip gulledge at January 26, 2005 01:12 PM (y5Hs6)
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I can remember dicussing the Elian Gonzalez issue with a friend of mine who emigrated from Romania to Germany. I said Elian should go back to Cuba to be with his remaining parent, and he was just becoming a political pawn. My friend said, no, that he should stay in the United States with his relatives. He backed that up with one simple statement: You don't know what it is like living under Communism. I do.
'Nuff said.
I think that immigrants to a country are for the most part more patriotic to that country than those born into that country. The latter was born there, and will potentially grow to love his country. The former CHOSE that country, and left another for it. Now who makes the bigger statement and commitment?
Posted by: CaliValleyGirl at January 26, 2005 06:53 PM (SQbkT)
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Now, if we can get more immigrants like him, and get all the kooky lefties to leave, the country will be in great shape.
Posted by: Frank at January 26, 2005 08:08 PM (7RKY5)
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You don't know what Freedom means...until you lose it. From an immigrant Father who experienced WW I in Austria and taught his children....thank God!
Posted by: Reg at January 26, 2005 11:53 PM (Rqc4U)
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In the words of Merle Haggard. " when you're running down this country, you're walking on the fighting side of me!" I'm with you Berisha!
Posted by: Higgins at January 27, 2005 12:54 AM (yCfJe)
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I agree with your comments. I am from Africa and my country went through 8 yrs of Idi Amin. To An American born citizen, you don't know what a great country this is; to me a foreign student it is the best country i'd love to bring my children up!!
Posted by: Jim at January 27, 2005 03:58 PM (gGOIQ)
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I am a retired AF Vet of 23 years. I go to bed at night thanking GOD I am an American. Two combat tours to try and free the Vietnamese people. I have no regrets, except that my civilian gov. let them down! Lest we forget our history everyone else is doomed to tyranny!!
I did not agree we should have gone to Iraq. I am shelfish when it means shedding the blood of my sons. But, we ARE there now!! And a good soldier stays the course. We leave this time when the mission is completed. Else my sons will never be able to hold up their heads.
Posted by: Walter Jordan at January 27, 2005 06:07 PM (7kPoO)
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God Bless this lovely man! I have a proposal, lets send the left wingnuts to somewhere like where Mr. Berisha came from, and bring more like him over here! Fair trade? They could come back when they grew up....nah!
Posted by: DagneyT at January 28, 2005 06:36 PM (hlABi)
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January 15, 2005
I HATE THE MEDIA, AGAIN
Blackfive has an article called
Aiding and Abetting the Enemy: the Media in Iraq. LTC Ryan doesn't say anything we don't already know and hate, but he says it all well.
In a similar vein, see VDH's Triangulating the War.
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If it weren't for the fact that these same people were saying the same thing a year ago, I might have some reason to believe them. I'll wait to see some actual discernable positive results before listening to the cheerleaders rah-rahing about how wonderful things are over there.
Disclaimer: my brothers are serving over there and have a quite different view of the miserable situation over there, so I have some biases. I'm just glad they aren't dead or mangled like some of their buddies who got hit with a roadside bomb.
Posted by: VOT at January 16, 2005 01:09 AM (MiV8c)
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they should only report about all the people who went to the beach and didn't get swept away by a tsunami....and all the people who drove safely to work without an accident...what about all the people who weren't kidnapped or raped and the people who weren't shot at convenience stores...let's hear about them once in a while
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January 11, 2005
$@#%
I just watched "
We Interrupt This Program" in the
From the Earth to the Moon series. It's reason number I-lost-count why I hate reporters.
Following the Apollo 13 tragedy from the perspective of news reporters, this episode is another one of the most memorable in the series. While some reporters try to keep their distance from the families of the astronauts on Apollo 13, others set out to exploit the raw emotion from those families to gain better ratings. This episode nicely displays the change in journalism ethics that occurred in the late '60s and early '70s, and how it directly affected the Apollo 13 news story.
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That is one of my favs of the series. Very good show. I too was shocked how they tried to exploit the families where just days before they thought it was a non story.
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November 24, 2004
QUESTIONS
Election blogging has now been replaced by Marine-shooting-in-Fallujah blogging.
Rightwingsparkle asks some interesting questions concerning omniscient reporters.
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CALLING B.S.
Many people have pointed to
Kevin Sites' explanation to the Marines (he's the one who taped the Marine shooting the wounded terrorist). I don't doubt that Sites felt a sinking feeling in his stomach as he witness the scene. I also tend to believe him that he wasn't out looking for Woodward/Bernstein-type fame. But here's what I don't like.
In war, as in life, there are plenty of opportunities to see the full spectrum of good and evil that people are capable of. As journalists, it is our job is to report both -- though neither may be fully representative of those people on whom we're reporting. For example, acts of selfless heroism are likely to be as unique to a group as the darker deeds. But our coverage of these unique events, combined with the larger perspective - will allow the truth of that situation, in all of its complexities, to begin to emerge.
When we look back on Operation Iraqi Freedom, what are we going to remember? What are the memories that the Mainstream Media has drilled into our heads? Abu Ghraib. This Marine shooting a wounded terrorist. Jessica Lynch. The lack of WMDs.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't watch news on the TV, so maybe the airwaves are bombarded with hero stories I just haven't heard yet. But I sincerely reject the idea that the Media is balancing "the full spectrum of good and evil that people are capable of" in the daily news. They instead take something like Abu Ghraib and give it flashy banners and expert guests, run the story on a loop every 15 minutes, and drill the "atrocity" into our heads. Did they present the full atrocity of Nick Berg's beheading? Of the children's jails and rape rooms and mass graves uncovered after the war? Did they make a nice flashy banner for the torture chambers and half-dead prisoners that were just found in Fallujah this week?
Where's the flashy banner for CPL Yeager? Where's Pat Tillman's story on a loop over and over? A few clips at the end of your segment pointing out some Hometown Heroes does not a balanced scale make. The Media defends itself by saying, "we have to show the good and the bad." Please, show me when you've given half the airtime to good as you have to bad.
Over the past two years, I have developed a sense of utter revulsion for reporters and journalists. I don't want to feel like that, but they've made their own bed. I don't blame Kevin Sites for shooting the footage, but I blame the Media Monster for the way it's presented and distributed.
John Kerry killed a wounded enemy in Vietnam and got the Silver Star. This Marine killed a wounded enemy in Iraq and will face the death penalty. It's all in how you package and sell it.
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I can't seem to find the words to describe how this incident makes me feel.
To put it mildly, Kevin Sites surely weighed the consequences of his actions before he went forward with his footage. The lambasting our troops receive because of this I fear will cause them to hesitate next time, this will get them killed.
The next soldier killed by an enemy faking their death is squarely on the head of Kevin Sites.
I'd better stop now.
Posted by: John at November 23, 2004 05:45 AM (crTpS)
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I wish you weren't correct, Sarah, but I'm afraid you are. There is such a huge story to tell about OIF, and the stories are all over the internet and the blogosphere... but not in the MSM. I do watch the news (mostly CNN) and I want to scream at my TV most of the time. I'd love to sit down with Aaron Brown for an hour and make him read all the things I've seen, and ask him why these aren't stories that deserve to be told.
I know a lot of us are worked up about the incident with the Marine, but I still put my faith in Navy JAG, because, well, I have faith in the Navy. If, and I say IF, it actually goes to a Court Martial, I don't see the members convicting him. I really don't think it will get that far, though blithering media idiots will continue to make a big deal out of it.
In the end, I think a free Iraq will tell the story. Somehow, the media will write the story when they have to- even if it's grudgingly.
As for the heroic efforts and sacrifices of the military and others- those that matter know. Sometimes, that's the best you can ask for.
Posted by: Jack Grey at November 23, 2004 06:17 AM (Jq8H8)
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Like you, I don't watch TV news. I will, on occasion, catch Brit Hume. Other than that, I get my news from the broadest possible sources--radio and internet.
The folks running MSM are the same ones who tried, and almost succeeded, in destroying our military thirty years ago. They say otherwise, but that is still their ultimate goal. Their vision is a US without any military--only then can there be peace throughout the world.
Right.
Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2004 07:43 AM (MqNKC)
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Sarah - you're right. I don't bother looking at the news anymore. Even my Mom has figured it out now - and she's 65. Took her long enough to realize she was only getting a piece (and a bad one) of the story.
I depend on the blogs to get me the true stories. Like The Greenside, Blackfive, etc. Don't worry. Those of us who aren't being forcefed the news know the truth and the heroism of OIF and the soldiers. We will not forget. And I'm grateful for their service to my freedom.
Posted by: Kathleen A at November 23, 2004 08:36 AM (vnAYT)
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Sarah - I had written from the time I read about this incident that Kevin Sites was an opportunist. I don't believe he overtly wished ill to the affected Marine but it's a matter of self importance and self aggrandizement. I've read every side of this issue on the net. I never watch any of the Alphabet news programs and watch Fox News maybe a couple hours on the weekend. So, my news comes from articles posted on Lucianne, some daily email alerts and blogs. Kevin Sites was willing to sacrifice this Marine for his own opportunism. End of story. What I have not had confirmed for me as yet is if Kevin is still embedded or not? Anyone know?
Posted by: Toni at November 23, 2004 09:08 AM (SHqVu)
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Kevin Sites "Can't handle the truth"; not, as the movie went, able to bear it and its implications, but he cannot truthfully handle it to give it out. Two points:
First, he says the insurgent was "partially covered by a blanket". Well and good; what part, though, of the man was covered? Would that not go to the question of the Marine's state of mind? Sites did not handle the truth here; he did not give the whole truth.
Secondly, he didn't handle the truth in a way that would, while allowing for due process in which the Corps would get to the whole truth, continue to protect the Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen stationed there: He could have (indeed, SHOULD have) not submitted the tape for broadcast/pool use. He is a veteran journalist; he is a professional, unlike all us amateur rubes ("for those who don't practice journalism...")--he MUST have known what would happen once al Jazeera would get their copy! How could he NOT know!? We are right back to the "Ethics in America" dilemma: The story is more important than the Soldiers' safety; or, Sites is a journalist before he is an American.
Thank you, Sarah, for providing the link to the "Ethics" video; very enlightening.
Keep the faith, and I continue to remember you and your husband in my prayers.
Jim
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November 22, 2004
EMBEDS
Charles Johnson writes a
lengthier post on the liabilities of having embedded reporters. I can't stress enough how everyone should watch
Ethics in America: Under Orders, Under Fire. It's two hours long, so the next time you think about popping in a movie, consider watching this instead.
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Absolutely right. This is one of the most powerful series available, and the panel includes folks like a young Rumsfeld. The Kevin Sites situation was discussed at length--twenty years ago on this program.
Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2004 07:29 AM (MqNKC)
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October 09, 2004
BROKAW
Every time I watch the news on TV, I remember why I hate watching the news on TV. I just watched the end of the rerun of the presidential debate, and I wanted to drop a 'bow in Tom Brokaw's face. What on earth is wrong with these news anchors who think that the appropriate way to phrase a question is "Well, my guess is that the majority of Democrats think that President Bush is a complete moron who may possibly still wet the bed. Your thoughts, Karen Hughes?" OK, so it wasn't that bad, but Brokaw might as well have substituted "
I think President Bush has lost credibility" instead of pinning his biased and speculative nonsense on the "majority of Democrats." Ugh, I'm staying away from the TV for a while.
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I too get frustrated watching television news, Sarah. But take heart. Did you notice how many of the questions directed at John Kerry last night were obviously from conservatives? I would LOVE it if the mainstream press would ask him if he's going to spend tax dollars on abortions. But at least the average, ordinary Americans (whom the press does NOT represent) are not being led blindly along by the TV news.
Posted by: WVUlawgirl at October 09, 2004 01:15 PM (GVXLo)
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If you want to see the world on TV the way that you see it (i.e. through rose colored glasses) go watch Fox News...or stay here in your homey conservatives only blogosphere.
You scare me. I need to go give some money to the ACLU now.
Posted by: curveball at October 09, 2004 04:13 PM (PGrwU)
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As opposed to the opaque ones you wear, curveball?
Posted by: Mike at October 09, 2004 09:25 PM (+sj2x)
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Hahahaha. Trust me, curveball, I would watch Fox if I could, but here overseas I have to watch whatever they provide, and since military programming tries to be fair, they alternate between news stations.
And I don't need news coverage to be conservative, just fair. Brokaw can't sit all buddy-buddy with Hilary Clinton and let her pontificate and then interview the GOP side of the house and belittle their comments. I'd certainly appreciate some evenhandedness.
You should too if you have any integrity.
Posted by: Sarah at October 10, 2004 03:46 AM (9tKvI)
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THERE IS NO MEDIA BIAS I like how an ABC memo sounded. It basically says that when Bush lies, its center to his re-election campaign and therefore must be brought to light, but when Kerry is lying, it has nothing to do with his election campaign, so we should not try to bring it to light.
Remember, Kerry has had just one position on Iraq, and I think he actually said what it was ONCE. When asked if the war in Iraq was worth it, he said "It depends on the outcome". Now you have to remember how Kerry thinks to understand his real meaning on that. He is not talking about how Iraq goes, it depends on if he wins the election. Thats the outcome he was talking about. Remember, nuanced, if he does not lock down what he means, figure it means something else.
Posted by: Allen Stoner at October 10, 2004 01:52 PM (TFkfJ)
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October 02, 2004
THE BANNER?
After having finished re-reading
The Fountainhead, this story -- a newspaper editor going against public opinion -- made me chuckle. I had to register to read it, so now you don't have to.
Crawford wants newspaper to eat its words
Rebeca Rodriguez
San Antonio Express-News
CRAWFORD — Photos of President Bush hugging diners and mugging for the camera adorn the walls of the Crawford Coffee Station, a popular cafe in this small Central Texas town Bush calls home.
Just a few miles from the Bush ranch, the spot is a popular place for locals to gather in the morning for coffee, breakfast and a glance at the day's news.
But the rack that once held the Lone Star Iconoclast — Crawford's weekly newspaper — now is empty, thanks to a blistering indictment in Tuesday's paper of Bush's presidential record and a call to elect Democrat John Kerry in November.
For a town drenched in Bush, the editorial is practically political heresy.
"Not only is he the president of the United States, he's my neighbor, he's my customer," Coffee Station owner Nick Spanos said. "We're not carrying that paper after today."
The firestorm began Tuesday morning, when readers opened up the newspaper to Page 2 and found an entire half-page criticizing the president for a variety of failings, and calling for the election of Kerry.
By the afternoon, news of the editorial was burning up Internet blogs and e-mail boxes all over the country.
Iconoclast publisher W. Leon Smith, who co-wrote the editorial with two other writers, is unapologetic.
"We're just trying to point out the direction the country's going in, and it's not good," he said.
Smith is majority owner of the Iconoclast, the Record of nearby Clifton and the Bosque Globe. He's also the mayor of Clifton and a Democrat who was defeated twice in campaigns for the Texas House of Representatives.
Now, Smith has become an iconoclast in his own right, challenging the widely declared belief that Crawford and its environs are "Bush Country."
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As of Wednesday morning, more than a dozen readers had canceled their subscription and six advertisers had pulled their spots from the paper.
Smith expects there will be more, and he's preparing for the worst.
"It will probably put us under," he said.
Smith's desk at the Record offices is piled with paper, and his cubicle is filled with Mickey Mouse paraphernalia — two clocks, posters and even his computer screensaver.
He pulled up his computer e-mail inbox, filled with messages of varying intensity.
Smith said about 75 percent of them applaud the editorial, but the remaining fourth border on vitriol.
"It really appears to be me that we no longer live in an open society," he said. "When you get to the point where you can't express an opinion, then you're in trouble."
I really hate when people pull the "police state" b.s. when their opinion is unpopular. You can write whatever you want in your newspaper, dude. People don't have to pay to read it if they don't like it though. That's not crushing dissent; that's the textbook definition of an "open society". In an open society, people disagree. And they vote with their wallet. If you "go under" because of this editorial, then you need to reevaluate your priorities. Either you give the people what they want in Crawford and make money, or you stand up for your principles and "go under" if that's in the cards. But don't complain that American society is in danger because people don't want to give you money to stand on your soapbox and say things they disagree with.
Long live capitalism!
(thanks to Dagney's Rant for the heads up...and the continued Ayn Rand connection)
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Posted by: Kalroy at October 02, 2004 06:35 AM (VU2TV)
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>"It really appears to be me that we no longer
>live in an open society," he said. "When you get
>to the point where you can't express an opinion,
>then you're in trouble."
I suppose Mr. Big-time Newspaper Editor thinks it's unfortunate that the "local yokels" also get to express THEIR opinions. Elitists... faugh!
Posted by: CavalierX at October 02, 2004 01:09 PM (sA6XT)
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It is one thing if consumers, decide not to purchase a product of their own volition (as appears the case with individual customers of the newspaper).
To decide to not carry this paper, when part of your business is selling news papers smacks of organized censorship. If the proprietor of the shop had waited until he had of a couple of days of unsold papers then I have no problem. It appears though that he decided to not carry the paper the moment he finished the editorial. Small minded fool is what he seems to be to me. That is just my opinion, I could be wrong
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Suppose I'm a Kerry supporter. Then suppose that some paper runs an offensive anti-Kerry cartoon (you can imagine the details yourself). What if I refuse to sell the paper anymore? Is that "censorship"? How is the decision of an *individual* "organized censorship"? It's not as if I (or the actual person in the real-life example above) were part of a nationwide organized movement to stop selling papers that offend us. And even if I were part of an organized movement, so what? Are we *obligated* to sell anti-Kerry propaganda?
Posted by: Amritas at October 03, 2004 07:33 AM (ftznT)
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Amritas, you may not have read/understood what I wrote completely.
I did say I have no problem if you wait for a couple days papers to pile up before dropping it from your store. To do so immediately after reading an editorial you don't like is akin to organizing a censorship drive. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Posted by: Bubba Bo Bob Brain at October 03, 2004 10:49 AM (4pVZJ)
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