August 17, 2004
BASE CLOSURES
My co-worker said that the German radio is announcing the base closures and that our European-based soldiers are not even returning from Iraq, but instead are heading directly back to the States and all family members will follow them and bases will close. For almost a year, we've been hearing that this absolutely will not be happening, and GEN B.B. Bell even made a series of commercials assuring family members that their soldiers would be coming back to Germany. Weird that the Germans are announcing something totally different than what the President said.
Developing, as Drudge says...
MORE:
Just to make sure we're all on the same page: I believe GEN Bell ten thousand times more than I believe the German radio. I think what they're putting out is ridiculous misinformation. I'd love to beat your two weeks for outprocessing, Deskmerc, but I know it ain't gonna happen.
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No figgin' way that will happen. You think the paper pushers and REMFs that force you into the byzantine labrynth that is clearing post would allow it?
Nut uh, no way. It took me two weeks to clear post where you are, and it would NOT BE FAIR for anyone to escape such a fate.
Posted by: Jason at August 17, 2004 11:34 AM (0iK+f)
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The news stories I saw yesterday that had the most information said the troops from Germany wouild be relocated in 2006. We all know the military doesn't go at much faster than a snail's pace in things like this.
I'm sure Germany is freaking out. I'm sure it will hurt their economy. Can't say I feel too badly about that. Justice sure can suck when it bites you in the ass.
Posted by: Beth at August 17, 2004 06:46 PM (lMEGF)
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Bush did say it was part of a plan whose total implementation would take a decade. Don't know what that really means though (tommorrow or summer 2014?).
Kalroy
Posted by: Kalroy at August 17, 2004 07:20 PM (q1aeu)
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I've got a link up on this, Army Times reports that we won't start moving out of Europe until 2006 and it will take the better part of three years to accomplish. For what it's worth.
http://www.sgthook.com/archives/2004/08/17/pull-back/
Posted by: Sgt Hook at August 18, 2004 05:58 AM (olp4a)
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There's this as well:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Aug2004/n08162004_2004081610.html
Posted by: Pete at August 18, 2004 07:31 AM (Qpigl)
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nobody has made a definate decision yet. all these reports are just things that could happen.
In the military, you dont react to something until
you have orders in hand. Things sometimes change even after they start.
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August 16, 2004
REALIGNMENT
Another reason why I, as a military wife, don't want to vote Kerry:
I want to go home.
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Some are already 'questioning the timing' of this announcement (that has been in the works for the last three years)... unbelievable!!!
Posted by: Madfish Willie at August 16, 2004 07:58 PM (S/EPF)
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There are some that would question the timing of a beautiful sunset if it helps Bush.
Posted by: John at August 17, 2004 12:44 PM (+Ysxp)
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John,
Those blasted Republicans at NASA must be messing with the sun! No wonder we're suffering from global warming!
Posted by: Amritas at August 17, 2004 01:17 PM (b8rMZ)
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Then vote for Bush. Early and often
Posted by: Tom at August 18, 2004 02:03 PM (kmiNS)
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You know, it's getting just a little bit tiring how everytime Kerry takes a firm stand on an issue, the right-wing attack machine immediately finds something Kerry said ten minutes ago that totally contradicts it.
What's the big deal? Just because Kerry tackles an issue as decisively as a woman moving furniture around her living room, it doesn't mean he can't lead.
Get off your high horses, people!
Posted by: Liberal Larry at August 19, 2004 02:25 AM (TRrnq)
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"as decisively as a woman moving furniture around her living room"
I'm shocked, Liberal Larry, shocked. How can you be so sexist? I'm calling the PC police.
Men can be indecisive about furniture too!
Posted by: Amritas at August 19, 2004 07:27 AM (ZpAcY)
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August 10, 2004
GEOGRAPHY
Chrenkoff also digs up more evidence that Americans don't have a
monopoly on dumb, as most of the world would like us to believe.
The other day my German co-worker was talking on the phone with her friend and saying how my other co-worker and I were glued to the computer looking for news about Iraq. "Hrumph," her friend said, "can they even find Iraq on a map?" My co-worker came to our defense and said, "They know their geography of Iraq better than they do of Germany!"
I get so tired of the "Americans can't do geography" junk. Sure, I've met an American who thought that the Ayatollah ruled Liberia, but I've met uninformed people in Europe too. I personally have had to explain where Afghanistan is to a German, and I've also had to teach a Canadian where the Berlin Wall was (she thought Berlin was in Russia). I've even had a fight with a Swede over how many states there are in the US (he kept insisting that we have 51, and the fact that I live there still wouldn't convince him otherwise!)
People all over the world are bad at geography and history, not just us.
MORE TO GROK:
Heh, when I read back over that, it looks like I'm saying Canada is in Europe. I know for a fact it isn't. The Canadian, however, was in Europe when I asked her, "Didn't you watch any TV at all in 1989?"
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August 04, 2004
WOW
According to Justin Vaisse, a French historian:
"Europeans are surprised to hear that John Kerry is talking about America the same way as George W. Bush does," the paper said. "They are amazed that at the Democratic Convention in Boston, he saluted like a soldier, one hand up at his temple. They would prefer not to hear it when Kerry promises that he would never hesitate to use force in case America is under threat. They are disappointed."
QandO has the rest.
Also check out what GEN Tommy Franks says about the Mission Accomplished banner, and how the AP takes Kerry to task for having vague plans on Iraq.
(All hat tips towards the Instapundit)
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CARICATURE
Fascinating article via Ambient Irony,
Hating America, about how Europe views the US through the lens of caricature. It's really long, and there are a million passages I could quote, but this made me chuckle:
Though fewer than 14% of Frenchmen have visited America, “most have strong views” of it; indeed, “Europeans who have not been in the U.S. . . . have the strongest opinions” about it, and malice toward America is inversely proportional to the amount of time individuals have actually spent there.
Conversely, I loved France and everything French until I actually lived there.
(And if you see the text as a mess of question marks, follow Pixy Misa's advice for changing the encoding.)
(P.S. I finally had enough time to sit down and read Pixy's post on Thought too.)
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Bingo!
I loved France until I went there. They were smelly, rude, bastards.
One Frenchman spoke English to Brit, but suddenly couldn't conjure up an English word when we Americans were speaking with him.
I put a pretty heavy American-hick accent on my broken French just to piss him off for that.
Bone jur, mohn sig nor. Pahr lez vuuz Eng laze?
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3/11
I just finished reading the gloomy and foreboding article
The Terror Web (via LGF). If you can read that article and not think that the terrorist threat is real and frightening, then we have no common ground at all.
One passage from the article struck me in particular:
And yet, according to Spanish police officials, at the time of the Madrid attacks there was not a single Arabic-speaking intelligence agent in the country. Al Qaeda was simply not seen as a threat to Spain. “We never believed we were a real target,” a senior police official said. “That’s the reality.”
Where's the 3/11 commission report in Spain? Where's the Fahrenheit 3/11 movie to expose the ineptitude of Spanish intelligence and law enforcement? Where's the outrage that "The goverment lied; people died!" when Spain continued to blame the attack on the ETA long after they knew it smelled of Islamism?
Oh wait...nevermind.
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Hmmmm . . . Did you read the part where the terrorists say they wish Bush to win the election?
Posted by: richard at August 04, 2004 07:41 AM (dY+QS)
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Yeah, I thought that was interesting too. Not the response I would have expected...
Posted by: Sarah at August 04, 2004 09:44 AM (/DG1j)
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I didn't see anywhere in the article the wish by terrorist for Bush to win the election. Did I just miss it somehow?
Also Sarah, the reason no one is chanting 'The government lied; people died!" is because the government that lied was kicked out of power just a few days following the bombings. Despite the length of the article the length of time it covers from the bombing to the election in Spain was less than a week.
Posted by: dc at August 04, 2004 01:20 PM (s6c4t)
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It was Bush ally Anzar who was doing the lying if you'll remember.
Posted by: dave at August 04, 2004 03:31 PM (YPYBE)
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Right. And Anzars' close relationship to Bush had already hurt him in the credibility department. So when he started blaming ETA for the attacks the people were righteously angry and threw his sorry ass out of office.
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July 26, 2004
CRIME
My German co-worker has insisted on several occasions that my American co-worker and I are much better off living in Europe than in the US because in Europe we're away from all the crime. Nevermind that my co-worker hails from Phoenix and I from central Illinois and that we've managed to steer pretty clear of crime. Nevermind that her view is skewed because her experience in the US is from living in Detroit. And nevermind that "the US is full of crime" is another one of those
lore statements that people toss around. In fact, England is pretty much screwed. (If you just want the money quote, head to
Rishon Rishon; the full set of articles can be found at
Steyn Online.) And nevermind that the most dangerous place I've ever lived was my neighborhood in France, where kids threatened to rape us in the phone booths and public masturbation was the norm. Creepy stuff.
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On average there is more crime in the US than in Europe. Finland, the UK, and Denmark have more crime than the US, but all the other countries have lower crime stats; France (62.67 crimes per 1000 people) and Germany (76.02 crimes per 1000 people) have less crime than the US (81.55 crimes per 1000 people).
Rapes: US higher than any European country
Assaults: US higher than any European country
Car thefts: 5 european countries before the US
Murders: Ex-soviet countries before the US, then a gap, then the western European countries.
Burglaries: US does pretty good, 5 western european countries go before it.
(all stats per capita)
So, Germany and France have less crime than the US by any measure. The UK has more crime overall, but less of the more serious offences.
Still, 'all the crime' in such a large and diverse country is indeed a pretty vacuous statement.
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source)
Posted by: Sander at July 26, 2004 01:11 PM (9v8mw)
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What a crock. I've felt much more in danger in many European cities (especially in S. Italy) than most American ones. Also, what statistics like the one above always neglect to tell you is the info dealing with neighborhoods, etc. And yes, heh, Detroit would certainly skew things.
I live, as you know, on the South Side of Chicago--so spare me the "pampered" line. Yet I also grew up in an area where people to this day leave their cars unlocked with the keys in the seats...with the windows rolled down. Few places in Europe can really claim that.
Posted by: Jeremiah at July 26, 2004 01:55 PM (0FAew)
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Yes, Jeremiah, that's what I was trying to say. Consider the reversal of your statement:
I've felt much more in danger in many American cities (especially Detroit or LA) than most European ones.Both can be 100% true, since crime in the subset of low-crime cities is always lower than crime in
most cities. It's true that some cities in Europe have more crime than some cities in the US, it's also true that some cities in the US have more crime than some cities in Europe. However, on average, there is more crime in the US. Simple as that.
Posted by: Sander at July 26, 2004 02:02 PM (9v8mw)
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It's kind of apples and oranges. Europe is full of countries with only one "primate" city (a term i remember from an old urban geography course i took in undergrad) France has Paris, Spain has Madrid. (Admittedly, Germany has several major cities) So the better comparison would be between the major cities in the US vs. Europe's. Of course France would have lower crime, there's only one major city there. Anecdotally, i was very paranoid of petty crime when i visited Lisbon and Madrid two years ago, due to the large number of people hanging out in the public squares looking for suckers and tourists.
Posted by: annika at July 26, 2004 04:11 PM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
Spain has 2 multimillion cities (Madrid and Barcelona)
France has 1 (Paris)
Britain has 1 (London, although Birmingham is near a million)
Germany has 3 (Berlin, Hamburg and München)
The US has 9.
If you divide number of multimillion cities by the total population there doesn't seem to be a correlation between population distribution and crime.
(Source:
CityPopulation)
Posted by: Sander at July 26, 2004 08:31 PM (3nJmx)
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But the city I lived in in France wasn't Paris, it was Angers, population 140,000, which is just a bit bigger than Peoria, IL...
Posted by: Sarah at July 27, 2004 09:58 AM (vLXDh)
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Yea, living in/near Detroit will skew anybodys perception of crime.
I live in a Detroit suburb (all my life) and I carry those thoughts everywhere we go, thinking any big city will be just as bad but we haven't gone to any big city and had any problems. We have had problems going into Detroit for events. I will not go into the city unless I know I will be out before dusk.
Haven't seen statistics for after April, but January through April there was the equivalant of 1 murder per day.
Posted by: Machelle at July 27, 2004 10:01 AM (ZAyoW)
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I live in Birmingham Uk and I felt much safer walking around Chicago on a recent trip than I do here.
John, Birmingham, Uk.
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WOO HOO!!!!

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Doesn't Lance's head look too large? The image almost looks Photoshopped. Ah, the oddities of perspective.
Posted by: Amritas at July 26, 2004 08:34 AM (tFjzf)
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Hmmm...Reminds me of something Bill Maher said recently:
New Rule: Cheering for Lance Armstrong doesn't make you an international cycling aficionado. Unless you can name one other rider in the Tour de France in the last 100 years, you're not a fan, you're just someone who likes it when America beats foreigners. And by the way, you're also not a tennis expert if you like watching Russian teenagers bounce up and down. You're just a perv.
Which one are you?
I am rfidtag and I approve this message.
Posted by: rfidtag at August 14, 2004 09:47 AM (XxIKf)
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July 22, 2004
DUNST
My friend saw this here on German television, but I can't find any American news sources that are reporting on it. Apparently
this question was posed to Kirsten Dunst:
Gefragt, was sie machen würde, wenn sie Spider-Mans Kräfte hätte, antwortete sie: "Bush töten!"
What would you do if you had Spiderman's powers? Her answer was "Kill Bush." Apparently the fact that Spiderman doesn't really have any "killing powers" is lost on Dunst.
Does this statement come a little close to threatening the president? I honestly don't know what the grey area is with that, but I sure know enough never to make a "kill the president" joke.
MORE TO GROK:
I also think it's funny that many people are lauding Spiderman 2 as a parable for our time and making connections between Parker's dilemma and President Bush's. Irony is so ironic.
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So much for super "heroes".
Posted by: Jeremiah at July 22, 2004 02:02 PM (0FAew)
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Why not quote the whole paragraph from that article?
Posted by: DonnaA at July 22, 2004 05:03 PM (a7Qhg)
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lovely girl. yet another cowardly celebrity trying to kiss up to the foreigners by bashing Bush. "Please like me... Pleeease like me... see I'm not like those stupid Americans back home, look at me, I'm just like you... I hate Bush too!"
Posted by: annika at July 22, 2004 11:54 PM (C9F5M)
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The left is completely irrational in their hatred of Bush. It's often said (as if it's a defense) that the right hated Clinton just as much. Nope, I don't recall a single member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (TM) saying "kill Clinton." We're witnessing a total meltdown, which will only get worse if Bush is reelected.
Posted by: Matt at July 23, 2004 12:26 PM (7ljSN)
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In the interest of being 'fair and balanced' here, I'll comment on this post too and say: yeah, Kirsten Dunst is crazy.
Btw..
Sure, Matt
Posted by: Sander at July 23, 2004 03:48 PM (3nJmx)
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Also, with Clinton, you didn't have leading members of the opposition party publicly espousing wacko conspiracy theories like you do with Bush. For example, you never heard Bob Dole come out and say that the stories about Clinton having Vince Foster killed were "interesting."
Posted by: annika at July 23, 2004 04:28 PM (zAOEU)
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What an idiot.
But I thought Spiderman 1 and 2 were quite patriotic.
Posted by: Athena at July 23, 2004 10:14 PM (qR3JL)
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July 13, 2004
TEMPERATURE
Oh, and what's the deal with the weather? Last summer we had a heat wave that killed thousands of French grannies; this year it's the Ice Age. It's currently 54º in my neck of the woods. I am still wearing sweaters and knee socks. In July.
I told my husband today that it's a shame we can't average his temperature (currently 93º at midnight) with my 54º and have a nice happy medium.
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It's that global warming thing don't cha know? Only it's the Kerry version: it's cold before it's hot. Three days ago in SE Michigan we topped out at 65 (IN JULY), today is 85 and MUGGY! Ugh.
Posted by: MargeinMI at July 13, 2004 07:35 PM (fpNCQ)
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July 12, 2004
OVER
GIs and Germany: A long love affair may soon be over was in the Stars and Stripes yesterday.
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The article presents the story from the American view of it, I would like to read/know how the Germans feel about it and their views. Do you have any references?
Posted by: Machelle at July 12, 2004 05:35 PM (ZAyoW)
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I searched around a bit and didn't find anything. I only know anecdotal evidence -- young people who have said we're not needed anymore, etc. There's stuff on the German radio every day about how many jobs will be lost when the bases close here. Interestingly enough, I've met very few Americans who are excited about leaving. I can think only of two others besides myself who think that the "love affair is over."
Posted by: Sarah at July 13, 2004 02:33 AM (TsgpG)
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June 15, 2004
SWEDEN
You know my interest in all things Swedish, so I found
this comment on LGF very interesting. I'd be interesting in hearing
Anders' view. Is Swedish "multi-culturalism" actually this rampant and extreme?
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It's not that bad. Actually, it's worse. Teenage girls with immigrant parents are murdered by their father, brother or other close male relative for going out with Swedish boys. This makes them whores and their death is the only way to restore the family's 'honor'.
Many have left their homes and have gone into hiding, their life destroyed. The government has done nothing to help them. The strongly feminist Minister in charge said that they wouldn't act for fear of being accused of taking sides against the immigrant community. Even in the face of atrocities and clear violations of women's rights, politicians simply can't admit there's something wrong with the culture.
Posted by: Anders at June 16, 2004 12:36 PM (RWjHO)
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June 10, 2004
FORTUYN
I'm probably the only person who's thinking about Pim Fortuyn today, but something in
Between War and Peace got me thinking. In 2002 my Swedish teacher was from the Netherlands, so when Fortuyn was killed it actually registered with me. I didn't follow it closely (this was back when I was fingers-in-ears), but I at least knew the basics of Fortuyn's controversial politics. Today I started trying to find out more about him and what happened. I read lots of stuff on this
Pim Fortuyn Forum and also read that -- surprise, surprise -- Van der Graaf
killed him "for the sake of The Netherlands' Muslim population". It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's conflict, Muslims are somehow involved.
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I'd take this a step further: "wherever in the world that there's conflict (sic)," racists are involved.
Posted by: Alex at June 13, 2004 12:18 PM (SvvYR)
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Yesterday at the movie theater a young muslim women wearing on of her stupid shawls cut in front me in line. I kicked her in the back and beat her until she bled.
Then when her husband tried to help her I pulled out my knife and I stabbed him. I didn't get to see the movie as I had to run away but at least I can assert that you are correct that "everywhere" in the world there is conflict it involves muslims.
(jesus Christ you are stupid.)
Posted by: filchyboy at June 13, 2004 12:41 PM (3soAl)
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Gee, thank you so much for explaining things so clearly. Until now I couldn't figure out the cause of the troubles between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland, but after reading your insight I realize that it is all the fault of Muslims.
"It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's conflict, Muslims are somehow involved."
Such a generalized statement is remarkably similar to what Hitler would say:
"It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's problems, Jews are somehow involved."
Posted by: Kevin at June 13, 2004 01:05 PM (AaBEz)
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Wow, such an amazing insight!
So the conflict in Northern Ireland--that was caused by Muslims trying to impose shariah in Belfast!
The ETA in Spain are angry because the government won't let their women wear hijab!
The FARC in Colombia are fighting to establish a fundamentalist state!
The Bosnian Muslims were the aggressors against poor, defenseless Slobodan Milosevic!
Unbelievable.
If you are, in fact, a teacher, and you are spreading such propagandist lies to your students, you are no worse than one of my junior high-school English teachers, who stated in class that "all Moslems are gun-toting terrorists who worship Aaala."
Throwing around generalities which have no real basis in fact to impressionable minds is one of the reasons why there is so much conflict and violence in the world today. As a teacher, I would have thought that you would be among the first to realize this--not be someone responsible for the dissemination of such vitriol.
The key to peace is understanding one another's differences, accepting them, and learning to live with them.
I hope that you represent an outlier in the ranks of American educators today. I fear for the future of America's youth if you are not.
Posted by: Won't suffer fools at June 13, 2004 01:52 PM (gUA7O)
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"It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's conflict, Muslims are somehow involved."?????? What the??? What's that supposed to mean? What about....oh forget it, if I have to give you counterexamples, it's a waste of time. I thought some of the earlier posters were a little harsh condemning you, but this statement just sends me. And you teach? With this level of knowledge, you teach?
It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's ignorance, ignorant teachers are somehow involved.
Posted by: Coriolanus at June 13, 2004 03:43 PM (KZeI/)
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"Sarah" (ho ho ho), under that curly wig you're really a fat smartarse dude jerking our chains by doing an Onionesque parody, right? I could almost believe an ignorant yet opinionated fool could write this post, but put that together your hilarious one about stats, and your mention of your "students" and it's clear to me this is a Jean Teasdale kind of joke.
Posted by: MrMOB at June 13, 2004 03:58 PM (+EUV1)
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Thank you, Sarah, for being a walking, breathing stereotype. I always love when all my worst assumptions of the moral corruption of conservatives is validated.
My god, you are heinous.
Posted by: Patriot at June 13, 2004 04:44 PM (3oc7t)
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For the US counterpart to Pim Fortuyn see the Aryan Nation or your local skin head group. I'm sure you'd be welcomed with open arms. Seeing, that you are very ignorant and unable to deal with simple math.
Posted by: andrew r at June 13, 2004 05:45 PM (3E2MO)
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Northern Ireland: All the Muslim's fault.
(Dammit, if only Thatcher knew!)
Posted by: Bill O'Really at June 13, 2004 06:46 PM (tXhUe)
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It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's conflict, Muslims are somehow involved.
I'd call you a moron but that would be an understatement. I'm sure Fat Andy is proud of you, since you list his blog as an inspiration.
And your comments on polling were hysterical, really.
Posted by: Clif at June 13, 2004 07:58 PM (PwiTq)
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Sarah, you are one scary person. Unfortunately, your style of thinking (ie. racist), permeates the Right.
The greatest tragedies of the 20th century were perpetuated by non-Muslims. While few cultures or religions can claim to be free of violent dogmatic aspects, Christianity has certainly had the fire power to do the most damage.
Posted by: Gpilot at June 14, 2004 11:17 AM (lKUxU)
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Ok, as a Dutch person living in the UK I feel I have to comment. First of all the guy who killed Pim Fortuyn was an econut, so if you want to blame a group for it (not that I think you should) you are better of blaming Greenpeace or someting
Secondly, Pim Fortuyn was actually a very interesting figure. As you may or may not know, he was gay, and the Netherlands are far, far more tolerant of homosexuals than the US (or the UK for that matter). The problem he had with Muslims was with their intolerant outlook. He believed that in accomodating their religion into Dutch culture, homosexuals would lose their rights. Now, I do not agree with him, but I do think he had a valid point: how to maintain a tolerant society when a segment of society is not tolerant? And quite apropos the current situation in the US as well
I do think it is quite funny that you seem to admire him, because I think you would have found his 'lifestyle' abhorrent.
Posted by: Frank at June 14, 2004 01:15 PM (7YyB7)
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I've been reading an amazing book written a few years ago about our troublesome friends from the middle east. Here's a short passage. It's worth reading, I think you'll find it quite educational:
"...if the Arabic people's instinct of self-preservation is not smaller but larger than that of other peoples, if his intellectual faculties can easily arouse the impression that they are equal to the intellectual gifts of other races, he lacks completely the most essential requirement for a cultured people, the idealistic attitude.
In the Arabic people the will to self-sacrifice does not go beyond the individual's naked instinct of self-preservation. Their apparently great sense of solidarity is based on the very primitive herd instinct that is seen in many other living creatures in this world. It is a noteworthy fact that the herd instinct leads to mutual support only as long as a common danger makes this seem useful or inevitable. The same pack of wolves which has just fallen on its prey together disintegrates when hunger abates into its individual beasts. The same is true of horses which try to defend themselves against an assailant in a body, but scatter again as soon as the danger is past.
It is similar with the Arab. His sense of sacrifice is only apparent. It exists only as long as the existence of the individual makes it absolutely necessary. However, as soon as the common enemy is conquered, the danger threatening all averted and the booty hidden, the apparent harmony of the Arabs among themselves ceases, again making way for their old causal tendencies. The Arab is only united when a common danger forces him to be or a common booty entices him; if these two grounds are lacking, the qualities of the crassest egoism come into their own, and in the twinkling of an eye the united people turns into a horde of rats, fighting bloodily among themselves.
If the Arabs were alone in this world, they would stifle in filth and offal; they would try to get ahead of one another in hate-filled struggle and exterminate one another, in so far as the absolute absence of all sense of self-sacrifice, expressing itself in their cowardice, did not turn battle into comedy here too."
Of course, I should mention that the above passage is from Mein Kampff, written by a German scholar by the name of A. Hitler. All I had to do was swap "Jew" for "Arab".
Pretty cool, huh?
Fuckin' Ragheads. Let's just gas 'em all, eh Fraulein?
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To set the record straight: Van der Graaf did not kill "for the sake of The Netherlands' Muslim population." His motif was, according to the court, that he viewed Fortuyn "as a growing menace for the vulnerable groups in society". Vulnerable groups being a Dutch eufemism for the poor, they not only consist of the recent Muslim immigrants, but also of other groups like the pensioners, the long-term ill and the handicapped.
Posted by: Balko at June 16, 2004 09:02 PM (C0qxt)
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Sarah, I discovered your blog only a few days ago, and have been enjoying it. I was a bit surprised by how much I agreed with you, and where I disagree I am usually still glad for the opinion. But, damn it, to say that "It's no lie that everywhere in the world that there's conflict, Muslims are somehow involved" is so beneath your intellect. I'm undyingly proud to be an American, but I don't wonder that people burn our flag if that is the kind of sentiment they see as representative of our nation. As an American abroad, and an Army wife no less, you should act as a representative of what is best and most admirable about our country, it's history and ideals. I'm really disappointed.
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June 07, 2004
DEMONSTRATION
Why didn't
Erik and
Ray invite me? Now
that would be a reason to go back to France.
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May 24, 2004
NO SUBSTITUTE
Tim found a
humdinger of a quote today:
I think all Americans would love their country if they had to live abroad for a while. -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
Amen. While living on a military post in Germany gives us Americans a taste of what Europe is like, there is no substitute for actually living the European life. And getting garbage thrown at you on the public bus. And having young boys threaten to rape you. And having your director of study abroad repeatedly tell you she hates the United States. And being banned from speaking English in the apartment you pay for by the couple who chose to host an exchange student. And being singled out and ridiculed by your teacher for daring to raise your hand and try to participate in class with your ugly American accent. And did I mention the garbage and the rape?
There was no day I loved the United States more than the day I left France.
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Wow. I've seen your mentions about being miserable in France before, but I never realized how bad it was. My study abroad experience in Paris (fall '02) was nothing but wonderful. People were nice to me--admittedly, some thought I was English because I dressed better than the "other Americans." I took one (American literature) class at a French university, and the professor was sweet and always relieved to have me talk in class. Some of my peers wanted me to teach them American (rather than British) accents. When walking on the Champs-Elysees, I found an area where people had left multples bouquets and other offerings with notes saying, "We love USA--go George go."
Of course, it was only one year after Sept. 11, and before we were in Iraq. I'm not sure if I'd have the same experience there now--and given Chirac, I'm not sure I'd want to go back.
Posted by: Carla at May 25, 2004 03:16 AM (r5M6F)
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Carla,
Why did you study American literature in France? Was there any overlap with what you already knew, or was it taught from a fresh perspective?
Posted by: Amritas at May 25, 2004 05:42 AM (0l17P)
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Ha. I've revealed my wimpiness.
I went to France to study French, of course, and at my school (NYU in France, all American students) I took 3 classes in French. I also wanted a way to meet French students, but I wasn't confident enough in my language skills to be able to survive a course in French--so I decided to take one in English.
The course was very different from American courses on literature. We only read two books the whole semester, and concentrated on close readings of the texts with different themes each week.
Posted by: Carla at May 25, 2004 02:12 PM (r5M6F)
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Thanks, Carla.
Nothing wimpy about what you did. At least you took classes in French at all. (It's the students who go to English-speaking countries that make me wonder why.) I'm surprised there was an American literature class in English at a French university (part of the University of Paris system, I guess). I would assume that it was for advanced French students of English.
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Yes, as I recall it was intended for 3rd-year English students. Most of them were timid about speaking English (and I tried to converse in French with them, for my own good), but they were pretty good at it--some better than others, of course. It was at Paris X, Nanterre, about 15 minutes outside the 17e arrondisement.
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May 02, 2004
SICK
You know, I really should read
Davids Medienkritik every day. It's a great blog. But the truth is, I can't stand to read it. I can't stand reading the bias and sanctimony that comes out of the country I live in. The country where my country pays rent, hires their citizens, and buys their goods and services. It makes me sick to know that we're still here when I read
this and
this. We need to go home as soon as possible.
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April 30, 2004
SPECTRUM
I don't know exactly why reading
this at Medienkritik triggered something in my mind, but it did. Back when I was in my Swedish class, our teacher was trying to briefly explain the Swedish political parties to us. She drew a sort of spectrum line on the board and put the various parties along the line from left to right. Someone in our class asked where our American Republican and Democrats would fall on the Swedish spectrum; our teacher put the Democrats on the far right edge of the spectrum and said that the Republicans would be located in the next room. We all laughed.
But it's something to keep in mind. There's no such thing as my sort of thinking in Europe. Well, there are some Americans Born Elsewhere, but for the most part, everyone is to the left of me. My Swedish friend just this year met the very first Swedish person in her life who supports the death penalty. The very first one she's ever met. She's 25. In contrast, we were making a sample outline in my ENGL class the other day, using the generic topic of the death penalty as a sample, and when I asked if they wanted to make the sample as for or against, they shouted For! in unison. No question in their minds. On questions of the government's role in health care and social programs, no one can touch how far right I go. There's just no such thing over here, at least not that I understand (correct me if I'm wrong.)
On a related tangent, Tim wrote the other day about patriotism and flag-pride in other countries. While living in France, we bought the same Swedish friend a Swedish flag patch to sew onto her bookbag. She wore it while she was in France, but she said that it was a little weird to sport it in Sweden. I can't say if she's representative of other Europeans, but I can't think of any other country -- besides flag-drenched Canada -- where the flag means so much.
Our flag means so much that people everywhere burn it. That says something.
MORE TO GROK:
Awesome. A blog in Sweden! With links to other blogs in Sweden. Fantastic -- now I have a way to prevent my Swedish from being completely eaten up by my pathetic German. I'm having tons of fun going through his posts -- did you know that Hans Blix participated in a WMD joke on a Swedish talk show that sounds quite similar to the scenario that Bush got ripped a new one for? Dude, he's so blogrolled.
By the way, he says that there are right-leaning folks in Sweden, but they are even deeper in the closet than I am.
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Thanks for the compliment!
Interestingly, just yesterday I was told (by a German who had spent most of the last decade in LA) that I should move to Texas, as I would find many people with the same views as me there... Sounds like fun-plus I would finally be able to take Kim du Toit up on his offer of shooting lessons! :-)
Posted by: Dominic at April 30, 2004 06:00 AM (0h0BM)
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Luckily, you're wrong. There are a lot of sensible, individualist, right-wing thinkers in Socialist Sweden. It's just that freedom of expression is a joke - anyone brave (or stupid) enough to voice dissent is immediately ignored and looked upon with contempt. You either get in line or get shut out.
The flag thing is correct, though. If you display the flag everyone thinks you're a Nazi. Sick, but true. In Sweden, being openly proud of your country is not something you do.
Your Swedish teacher didn't get it. It's not that political parties here are that much more "to the left" of Reps and Dems, the problem is that they are all the same. They plot on a very small segment of the spectrum. Just an example: members of Parliament (the Riksdag) were asked who should be in the White House next term - 5 out of the 7 parties were 100% anti-Bush.
Posted by: Anders at April 30, 2004 09:02 AM (RWjHO)
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Flags: On Sunday mornings I am able to look down the busiest (re: businesses) street in our city because nobody is out that early. I feel a sense of pride each Sunday morning because I can see the flags all flapping in the breeze. I've lived in this city for 26 years and the view has never changed. Those flags have been flapping for all those years.
I guess I was kind of stunned when I read the article about other countries not displaying their flag. And then I thought about the 4th of July in the US. Our summer vacation is planned during the July 4th week so we can see what other cities do for the 4th. From small towns to large cities to National Parks I am never disappointed by the displays that are put on for the 4th.
The only other "country" I've been to is Canada, and really does that count as another country? I live in a Detroit Suburb, so Canada is just like another state to us because of the large amount of interaction we have with them. Canada's version of our 4th is July 1st, Canada Day. In Detroit we have a huge International Celebration with Ontario to celebrate both those days. I guess in looking at Canada and the pride they show for Canada day I assumed that all countries take that much pride in their countries.
Maybe that is what this is all about. The US takes great pride in our country and patriotism. Other countries see this as arrogance because they don't understand pride and patriotism for their country.
Posted by: Machelle at April 30, 2004 10:40 AM (W/eGG)
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But did you translate the German article yourself?!
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Hi,
I'm an American woman married to an ex-pat Swede. He's been in the US since about age 11, but speaks, reads, and writes in almost perfect Swedish still. Sweden is very much a part of his life. When we go to our cottages on "the island" in Sweden, we have never been made to feel badly about being American - or not fully Swedish. We even display an American flag quite prominently on our cottage. (And I must say it looks nice with the ever present 'barn red' that Swedes almost uniformly paint their cottages.) I don't know if it's because we are almost always there at Midsummer, but there are Swedish flags all over the place in people's homes and on Midsummer decorations. In fact, many Swedes love Tommy Hilfiger flag stuff and Polo sweaters, often in red, white, and blue, extremely preppy, and very American looking. The only time I have ever felt shocked by anti-American attitude in Sweden was when my mother-in-law called her friends in Sweden after 9-11 and some responded with "They (the USA) deserved it." Of course presuming that she doesn't now identify with both peoples, as she does. We were all offended and surprised, but...I know that not one of the people I know in Sweden would ever look me in the face and say those words because they adore me and they know that that attitude is only uttered in a mindless and unreal context. They are smart enough to never wish such violence on anyone and love this country deeply when it comes down to it- despite all of the noise you here. That's just one American girl's opinion...
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April 20, 2004
FREEDOM
So the first quote that I pull from
Mexifornia has nothing to do with either Mexico or California. But it relates to something that happened here yesterday:
Europeans who drive their safe government cars to the beach, work seven hours a day, enjoy six to eight weeks off yearly, and have nearly all their medical problems, tuition, natal care and rest home worries taken care of by a maternal government see us as impoverished. Yet Americans find Europeans' tiny homes, solitary small cars, single televisions, and outrageously expensive food, clothes, entertainment and gasoline a real poverty that restricts the individual's ability to satisfy his cravings.
I honestly don't have that much interaction with Germans. I go to restaurants occasionally, but usually to the same ones over and over, and I have some German friends, but they're pretty Americanized (it's hysterical to be with a group of German women who are trashing Germany mercilessly.) I have never really had any run-ins with Germans, so I'm fascinated by the stories the Conflicted Reservist tells. He started working for the Germans about two years ago and has thus lost his support from the US military. He is engaged to a German and owns a house here and for all intents and purposes is living the German life. And he faces deep troubles with Germany and her citizens.
His neighbors won't let their kids play with his daughter because she's American. He tried to help a neighbor jump start his car once, and the neighbor refused his help, saying, "You're an American." Two weeks ago he had his motorcycle tires slashed by a German biker who growled "American" in his face. This Reservist is trying to fit in to the German world, and he's facing shocking opposition.
When we first moved here, my husband went to get his haircut and had to listen to the German barber go on about how the US doesn't have any real freedom because once she was at Walmart and wanted to try on bras in the middle of the store; security wouldn't let her, thus we have no freedom. Europeans might have more freedom to take their clothes off whenever they want, but there are other realms I'd rather have freedom in.
The Reservist's fiancee just had a baby last week. They went to get their new daughter's birth certificate, and they were told they cannot name their child what they want. First of all, the Germans wouldn't let them give the child the Reservist's last name since they're not yet married. Second of all, they won't let them name their daughter Haley Amber because it's not German-sounding. So their child doesn't have a name yet. Legally, the Germans can tell you what to name your children -- an appalling governmental control, in my opinion.
Just as we define poverty differently, as Mexifornia shows, we seem to cherish different expressions of freedom. The Germans may look at our inability to tolerate boobs in the Walmart as being one step away from a police state, but I see the inability to choose a child's name as a more important freedom that's being denied to this Reservist.
So the Reservist is fed up; he's moving to Spain.
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Funny, I always hear from the German wife of one of my husband's coworkers (who hates America by the way) how tolerant Germans are. How racist and intolerant we are. They sure don't practice what they preach apparently.
Just more reasons as to why I look forward to the realignment and hopefully the Big Red One coming on home to Fort Riley.
Posted by: Shannon at April 20, 2004 03:48 AM (Bod3i)
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I doubt your friend will find Spain any better anymore.
I don't know what it will take to wake Europe up - Madrid train bombings seemed to act like a sedative rather than the stimulant one would have expected. But it better wake up soon, or it may be looking back at Hitler as an 'enlightened liberal'. A few leaders (Blair, Berlusconni, Aznar, and probably Putin, though silently) 'get it', but the people don't. Very reminiscent of the 1930's when no one would listen to Churchill, preferring Chamberlain's stand. Too often we hear what we wish to hear.
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March 15, 2004
SPAIN
I had other things I wanted to write about this morning, but then I saw the results of voting in Spain. Via LGF I went over to
Daily Kos and found
this:
While I very much agree with Meteor Blades, that Stirling is providing the best stuff on the web about Madrid, I do disagree that this is a potential pattern for the U.S. In Spain, 90% of the populace opposed the war in Iraq as they, like the majority of Europeans, thought it would increase terrorism not decrease it, and the bombings confirmed this interpretation. In the US, alas, the majority still see Iraq as part of the war on terror and if a similar event happenened before the US election - god forbid - I think the response would be just the opposite, the need to intensify the fight and rally around the flag and vote Bush. Look what happened to Dean when he told the truth about Saddam's arrest not making America safer.
This commenter sees this as a bad thing, but I see it as the fundamental difference between Europe and America. Europe believes in appeasement and collectivist internationalism; the US believes in kicking ass and taking names. The Lefties at Daily Kos and many people my age are horrified by the US's "get 'er done" attitude, but I see it as the only way this fight will ever end.
I'm saddened to see one of our strong allies disappear. I'm sad that if they leave us out to dry in Iraq, I won't be visiting their country, and I'm a huge fan of southern Spain. But Spaniards have shown their priorities, and they don't jive with mine. Though, as Belmont Club said today, "Although many commentators have excoriated the Spanish electorate for its capitulation to terror, we must never forget that the slightly smaller half decisively rejected it. These we honor and the rest we pity."
Any future-Americans among that slightly smaller half?
MORE TO GROK:
Read Nelson Ascher.
And Porphyrogenitus and I have a cyclical back-patting going on. He's right, if I may paraphrase, that some Americans grok 3/11 like some Europeans grokked 9/11, but the vast majority just don't care.
Tom reminds us that this is what the electoral college is for.
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though i am from belgium, i don't support the "french" stance of our government at all. however, regarding spain, i think one of the reasons for the defeat of aznar is that he tried to hide the truth about the authors of the attacks of 3/11. he tried to put the blame on the basque terrorist, while everything pointed to islamist terrorists. thus he tried to exploit this tragedy for his own objectives byt telling lies. i can understand some people are scandalized by such behaviour.
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Regardless of who is responsible, the vote gives support to those who believe attacks will get countries to pull troops. I think we'll see more of this, now.
Poland is the one country they should think twice about hitting. The Poles are the kind who, when hit, strike back harder than before.
Posted by: Mike at March 15, 2004 08:12 AM (cFRpq)
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i agree with you mike (allthough i wouldn't underestimate the brits either). further i thoroughly disagree with the cowardly belgian government, but i do so on most points. not that our military would have made the difference. just look at our minister of defence.
www.klm-mra.be/vizier/Vizier8/Frans/Foto/Flahaut.jpg
Posted by: jan (belgium) at March 15, 2004 08:50 AM (rDiDF)
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>everything pointed to islamist terrorists
No, it didn't, and Aznar was "punished" for not jumping to conclusions. The explosive used was the same type used by Eta in earlier bombings, as was the "remote control" method instead of the suicide type. Eta operatives are trained in Lebanon and Iran. Three Eta operatives were apprehended at around Christmastime
on a train with (drum roll please) a backpack full of the same explosive. The miltiple coordinated attack, however,
is pure al-Qaeda.
All signs actually point to a cooperative venture.
The black hats ride together, people.
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March 07, 2004
AMERICANS
Bunker links to an article called "
Why we still don't get it, one year on" by Mark Hertsgaard. He pulls out the more pertinent quote:
But the world doesn't hate us, the American people. It is our government, our military, and our corporations that are resented. To anyone living outside the US, this may seem an obvious point.
But to many people living inside the US, especially those who are proud to be American, this is not obvious. This ticks us off.
Being American is a choice, in a way that being French or Chinese or Norwegian never could be. It is a state of mind, an espousing of an ideology, and a label that defies race and ancestry. There are many people with US citizenship that aren't truly American in their thinking, and many people in other countries who are Americans waiting to happen. Being American has nothing to do with being born in a certain country, which is why Hertsgaard's quote makes no sense to me. In my mind, being American means wanting to be American and wanting to represent what our country stands for.
I know a woman here of Turkish descent who is the third generation in her family to be born on German soil. Her grandparents and parents all lived here in Germany. She's probably close to 30 years old. She just got her German citizenship. Third generation, finally recognized.
I also know a soldier from Paraguay who moved to NYC in 2002. He arrived knowing no English whatsoever and enlisted in the Army one year later. After Basic and AIT, he headed to Germany where he enrolled in our American History course at the education center. His desire to get an education and become an American has brought him headaches and tears, trying to read a chapter in the history book when he's taught himself English in 18 short months, but he works hard at it nonetheless.
Is this woman a German? She's known nothing but Germany her whole life, but she's obviously not been accepted as a citizen until quite recently. Is this soldier an American? You bet your ass he is. He might not have all the paperwork done yet, but he wears her flag on his right shoulder and he carries her spirit in his heart.
I've met soldiers with all sorts of accents; off the top of my head I can recall South American, African, Portuguese, Haitian, Polish, and Algerian. They've all made the choice to defend America and all she stands for, to proudly wear her uniform, and to accelerate their application for citizenship so that they can live and work in her cities. Would they bother to do this if being American had nothing to do with "our government, our military, and our corporations"?
When I was young and naive, I used to try to reason with people like Mark Hertsgaard. I tried to understand why the Swiss guy hated the USA when I was the first American he'd ever met. I tried to placate the Croatian who said he didn't want to speak to me anymore because we were bombing his hometown. I tried to understand how other Europeans could talk such trash about my country and not expect me to get offended. "Hey, it's not you we hate, it's your country; can't you see that?"
If you can look at these soldiers and not see how precious the USA is, then you don't grok. If you can't see that being American means making the choice to work with all different walks of life to make the best country we can be, then you don't grok. And if you can't see that Americans are who they are because of "our government, our military, and our corporations", then you truly don't grok.
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If you think that Turkish woman has it bad, think of the x-th generation Koreans in Japan. They're in the same boat, and their families have been in Japan since *before* WWII:
http://www.han.org/a/fukuoka96a.html
"Take, for example, the approximately 700,000 North and South Korean nationals dwelling in the country today. The majority of them were born and have grown up in Japan. In fact, a considerable number of them are the third, and even the fourth generation that have been brought up here. Yet, Japanese nationality is based on lineage, meaning that these Korean descendants are not automatically awarded Japanese citizenship."
Japanese citizenship is not automatic for anyone born in or outside of Japan. Citizenship is only automatic for children born to one or two parents with Japanese citizenship.
Posted by: Amritas at March 07, 2004 07:58 AM (thYAp)
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Could part of it be that Euro's see themselves as nothing more than a subject of their own country, and thus the insult to the government is not to the person?
While an American see's himself as part of the whole (from the people, by the people, for the people) and thus the insult is not, cannot be, seperated out from the individual?
Posted by: Blueshift at March 07, 2004 09:44 PM (crTpS)
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Blueshift,
I just remembered what someone said about the US government having more continuity than many European governments. Consider that the US is older than a united Germany (I'm not just talking about East-West reunification) or Italy. Living in a country with shifting regimes, one's allegiances are not as solid as they would be in a land where the Constitution has remained constant for over two centuries.
Posted by: Amritas at March 08, 2004 05:47 AM (ukofp)
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In the absence of stable governments, people may cling more closely to ethnicity and language as elements of identity whereas America is, as Sarah said, "a state of mind." Some have argued that this state of mind is in fact WASP in origin and therefore America is a WASP nation rather than a "proposition nation," but this overlooks the fact that no human brain is completely resistant to foreign ideas. America wasn't solely built on WASP ideas, and WASP ideas have been implanted into many minds of people who are not white, Anglo-Saxon, or Protestant - e.g., me.
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I would tentatively agree that America could be said to be WASP in origin. I do not think it is in practice at this point in time tho. We really are a conglomeration at this point in our history, drawing from all cultures and all societies.
The take on Euro's as disliking our government, but not its people is a divergent point in our respective thinking. As we all do, we view others from the context of ourselves, and my context provides that I am an intrinsic part of my nation, its people, and its government. We the people are inseperable from our government.
This may be a mistake on my part to view Euro's in the same light. Maybe they do not feel that they are a part of their country at the intimate level, but rather are subjects of their country.
In that context, I could see how they can split off our individual citizens from our government. Is it a flawed way to view things, passive at a fundamental level? It is in my judgement, allowing you to sit back, relinquishing control to those that aspire to rule you.
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